JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[MastanKhan]

Precisely; a large swing over the ocean opens up a completely new axis the Indians will have to spend vast resources to monitor much less dedicate interceptors to counter a low flying strike package.

A long legged launch platform that can be bought for cheap like the JH-7A should be seen as just that, a launch platform; escorted by JF-17 equipped with 3 drop tanks, PL-15 and PL-10, should be adequate enough to position the Strike package to launch long range stealth cruise missiles. F-16s could be an another option is they can be spared from defending across the LOC and IB

This is the approach of the US and UK forces with the LRASM and new MBDA stealth missile

Wr also have to remember that it may not be assets near Mumbai that need to be combated but a potential Indian carrier based blockade. Where a similar approach; launching waves of missiles from multiple angles along with jammer missiles like MALD-J is the best way to get the job done and on the cheap.

MBDA missiles at 3:07; both stealth and subsonic as well as a less stealthy supersonic option

LRASM

MALD

While the JH-7A has no where near the payload as these bombers; missiles have come down in weight, but the wave concept (except from a lot further out) still holds. Especially with great EW equipment.

Hi,

Gwadar is a God given gift to pakistan---and targetting mumbai is like slipping a knife in the under belly of the enemy---slip the knife in and you will gut the enemy out---.

@MastanKhan @Signalian @PakFactor Gentleman you all are good posters and everyone is right in his prespective.Refrain from going personal.
P.S:-I would suggest looking at deployment of assets on Bharati side for better discussion.

Problem is that we have none of this.

Hi,

We are discussing about war and not about kiss and hug---. Mini wars had started over the discussion of strategy to go to battles---. Don't take the discussion lightly---.

A lots of blood has flown over the centuries over similar discussions---.

 

[The Eagle]

lets go

I will invent ways to squeeze you for information, provoke you by hurting your sentiments, insult you by any mean & challenge you with whatever means; only just that you spill it in anger and I will use that to my advantages later... either unintentionally feeding the foe or wanna be an expert later... just so that I am afraid to ask questions which may not present me as a clueless general. You know the internet world. Cheers.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Hi,

We are discussing about war and not about kiss and hug---. Mini wars had started over the discussion of strategy to go to battles---. Don't take the discussion lightly---.

A lots of blood has flown over the centuries over similar discussions---.

While discussing this,getting personal isn't going to be helpful.
There are events to which public is not aware off and these have left people in higher circles with their hands tied behind backs.
We don't have enough resources that's the biggest issue.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Destroy mumbai---destroy India's economy---.

You have Babur Cruise Missile, RA'AD Cruise Missile and Shaheen Ballistic Missile for that

 

[notorious_eagle]

You have Babur Cruise Missile, RA'AD Cruise Missile and Shaheen Ballistic Missile for that

Agreed

Why risk your aerial assets, when Pakistan's BM can deliver overwhelming conventional firepower against Mumbai with pin-point accuracy. The effectiveness of BM's were demonstrated when the Iranians launched them against the US. Bear in mind, Pakistan's BM are far more deadly and lethal compared to the Iranian.

 

[StormBreaker]

Hi,

You really are clueless about the strike profile and route to the target---.

Sir,
The need for dedicated deep strike missions have faded as the strategic forces have advanced to much more capable levels. You send in a squadrons to launch some SOMs or you simply launch BMs, the latter would be more economical, higher success rate and no loss of our men most importantly. Times have changed, Pearl harbour was a century ago...

 

[FuturePAF]

@MastanKhan @Signalian @PakFactor Gentleman you all are good posters and everyone is right in his prespective.Refrain from going personal.
P.S:-I would suggest looking at deployment of assets on Bharati side for better discussion.

Problem is that we have none of this.

If we don’t have it but we need, we need to find a way to afford to either make it or buy it for our defense.

The Chinese parade last year showed slot of weapons that could be repurposed and fit into the JH-7A, or just launched from coastal batteries

Interesting read on the status of the JH-7A
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ina-seeking-offload-surplus-military-aircraft

 

[MastanKhan]

You have Babur Cruise Missile, RA'AD Cruise Missile and Shaheen Ballistic Missile for that

Sir,
The need for dedicated deep strike missions have faded as the strategic forces have advanced to much more capable levels. You send in a squadrons to launch some SOMs or you simply launch BMs, the latter would be more economical, higher success rate and no loss of our men most importantly. Times have changed, Pearl harbour was a century ago...

Hi,

Launch a surface to surface missile long range at the enemy and you may force the enemy to think that it a nuc missile.

These missiles can only be launch from a certain direction---.

Read and read again and if you still don't understand read one more time---.

The primary function for the fear of strike is for the enemy to move its assets and disperse them in a larger area---.

Flight A

Next purpose is to have control of your sea lanes over a larger area---. If you launch aircraft from gwadar or like area---the presence of your heavy strike aircraft will keep the enemy navy ships far away from your shore closer to their air support---.

Flight A1 & A2( eneny aircraft)

Next---when you go in---the enemy will come out---their numbers will depend on how desperately they want to protect their asset---.

Flight B & C

If you are flying out from gwadar to mumbai strike---the enemy chasing after you---it then leaves a big void behind the enemy---which allows for air intercept air strike launches from Bholari / Karachi.

Flight B

Your air mission would be in V formation---one formation from Karachi chasing behind the enemy aircraft which are intercepting / chasing your aircraft---that mean they will going from center to right---.

Flight C

Your other mission would be another flight that would be going from center to left.

When your flight flies out from Gwadar---the enemy has no clue where it is---it is a vast ocean---you fly low---the enemy has to come out farther to find you---which means that they have to have more assets spread out---.

Which means you can either strike at the enemy ships that are in the area or strike your pre planned target---.

If the enemy comes chasing out for you---you can come from behind from position B.

Gwadar is the jewel in the crown due to its location. You can circle the enemy as you want to and the enemy can do nothing about it.

While discussing this,getting personal isn't going to be helpful.
There are events to which public is not aware off and these have left people in higher circles with their hands tied behind backs.
We don't have enough resources that's the biggest issue.

Hi,

You had enough time and opportunity to get the resources---.

Pakistani public and pakistani generals failed the country---.

 

[PakFactor]

Hi,

Launch a surface to surface missile long range at the enemy and you may force the enemy to think that it a nuc missile.

These missiles can only be launch from a certain direction---.

Read and read again and if you still don't understand read one more time---.

The primary function for the fear of strike is for the enemy to move its assets and disperse them in a larger area---.

Flight A

Next purpose is to have control of your sea lanes over a larger area---. If you launch aircraft from gwadar or like area---the presence of your heavy strike aircraft will keep the enemy navy ships far away from your shore closer to their air support---.

Flight A1 & A2

Next---when you go in---the enemy will come out---their numbers will depend on how desperately they want to protect their asset---.

Flight B & C

If you are flying out from gwadar to mumbai strike---the enemy chasing after you---it then leaves a big void behind the enemy---which allows for air strike launches from Bholari / Karachi.

Flight B

Your air mission would be in V formation---one formation from Karachi chasing behind the enemy aircraft which are intercepting / chasing your aircraft---that mean they will going from center to right---.

Flight C

Your other mission would be another flight that would be going from center to left.

When your flight flies out---the enemy has no clue where it is---it is a vast ocean---you fly low---the enemy has to come out farther to find you---which means that they have to have more assets spread out---.

For that mean you can either strike at the enemy ships that are in the area or strike your target---.

If the enemy comes chasing out for you---you can come from behind

Gwadar is the jewel in the crown due to its location. You can circle the enemy as you want to and the enemy can do nothing about it.
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Hi,

You had enough time and opportunity to get the resources---.

Pakistani public and pakistani generals failed the country---.

Best option looking at the map would be to launch from Point A and refuel at the A1 Zone and proceed from their. Launch AA configured ACs from point B after refueling to join the 1st Strike Package. By the time 1st Strike Package would be within range to release their load and IAF would launch to intercept and the 2nd Strike Package PAF then would intercept them.

Problem is we only rely on single engine fighters to carry SOWs, CMs we require a heavy weight fighter you probably like the JH-7 cost effective to get the job done but I would probably acquire 2-3 Squadrons of J-16 type platform.

 

[Silicon0000]

I guess we should stop constructing the wind tunnel test facility at PAC and also instruct all other facilities in the world since aircraft designing is just fold the paper and “phooo”.

Bhai, I am not a pro, but judging by the videos of wind tunnel testing and the air flow graphs, every small cm curve matters to change of air resistance.


If we want to see CFTs, they won’t be much significant, more like this, would be broader instead of being tall like the ones on F-16s. I am quoting the ones used on F-18s

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Are you saying that PAC is constructing the wind tunnel test facility?

Hi,

Don't cutoff your nose to spite me---. Ask your GD pilot---how would the aircraft fly from Bholari to Mumbai without being visible to the enemy for the 400 NM + flight---.

Hi,

So---here is map of pakistan / india---. Bholari is close to Hyderabad---.

Have your GD pilot draw out a route to get to mumbai without the enemy knowing about the aircrafts.

There are mutliple air bases en route---there are enemy awacs flying---there are enemy SA batteries on the coast line.

When worst comes to worst---use your brains---. The GD pilot's word is not the end---.

Baray Tumharay GD Pilot nain Bol Diya---jaisay pathar pay likh diya haraf a akhir---. And you want to come here and strut around with your support from the GD pilot---.


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Hi,

Show the route on the map---.

Hi,

I have read multiple books on it and watched multiple videos as well---and there was one thing common in all those different books on the same subject---.

All the aircraft flew in the " hidden spectrum "---neither they were visible to the radar or the public for the route they took---. Iraqi radar at the final location was shut down as well OR RENDERED INOPERATIVE.

Operation opera and current enemy strength has no comparison---.

Over here---once they take off from bholari or karachi---they will become visible soon.

The whole coastline has multiple air bases---. There will be multiple awacs flying in the arena---. There will be SA batteries on the coastline that will knock off the aircraft---.

When the aircraft take off from bholari or karachi---anyone can inform the enemy that aircraft have taken off---.

But from a place like Pasni or if there is a base around Gwadar---the telephone signal can be jammed---so no one can contact the enemy---.

The enemy surveillance aircraft cannot see 450 miles away even if they are flying high.

From farther away our strike force flies out---the more assets the enemy would have to spread out to protect itself---the better our chances of inflicting damage in other areas. Spreading out more assets in one area means that there would be lesser assets in the other areas---.

The strike from gwadar / pasni can also be made and used as a diversion tactics from the battle fronts on the mainland---to attract enemy aircraft towards itself---and then as the enemy sends its force towards that area over the ocean---they break away and fly back---.

Chengiz Khan and the Mongols perfected that art of attack and then pull back---the enemy chased---made the enemy come farther out---they turned and struck and decimated the enemy the muslim forces the chinese force the russian forces and every other force with that tactic----.

Again---operation opera was over empty land with no opponents assets present---over here---the arena is teeming with enemy aircraft---awacs---SA batteries---.

So--I don't see the similarity.

You are definitely missing old PDF days when their are more professional and less newbies/fanboys/people with less knowing.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Hi,
You had enough time and opportunity to get the resources---.
Pakistani public and pakistani generals failed the country---.

Those who live in glory and sorrows of past are fools,what's done can't be transposed.Generals are from Pakistani public,there exists inherit flaw in how we are groomed,we tend to show that flaw regardless of our jobs.MoD being a largest organ of state gets painted again and again even for small failures.
We need to change the way,we teach our kids start walking.
Period.

 

[MastanKhan]

Those who live in glory and sorrows of past are fools,what's done can't be transposed.Generals are from Pakistani public,there exists inherit flaw in how we are groomed,we tend to show that flaw regardless of our jobs.MoD being a largest organ of state gets painted again and again even for small failures.
We need to change the way,we teach our kids start walking.
Period.

Hi

Your past leads to your future. The mistakes of your past determines your destiny.

If you want to learn from your mistakes then post them in a large picture frame so that you don't make them-again.

 

[StormBreaker]

Are you saying that PAC is constructing the wind tunnel test facility?







You are definitely missing old PDF days when their are more professional and less newbies/fanboys/people with less knowing.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/pakistan-air-force-news-discussions.8600/page-416#post-11343407

 

[MastanKhan]

I will invent ways to squeeze you for information, provoke you by hurting your sentiments, insult you by any mean & challenge you with whatever means; only just that you spill it in anger and I will use that to my advantages later... either unintentionally feeding the foe or wanna be an expert later... just so that I am afraid to ask questions which may not present me as a clueless general. You know the internet world. Cheers.

Hi

He has nothing to give or share—-so please don't put him on a pedestal that he does not deserve to be on.

An adult educated male who does not have enough intellect to plan a strike and has to ask someone for help and you made him a Think Tank member.

Hi

Now if the threat level increases, you can turn like shown in the broken line and fly away.

You can repeat this plan multiple times against the enemy and wait for the moment they falter and then move in for a quick strike.

just remember the Ramzan war—-how the egyptian military made it across the suez canal.

 

[krash]

But why? What's so classified about AAR?

IMO, they just don't care and/or realize the importance of it.