JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[Signalian]

Hi,

You really are clueless about the strike profile and route to the target---.

Thank you, i built that up on discussion with a GD pilot. In your eyes PAF is clueless, so lets go with that.

 

[MastanKhan]

Thank you, i built that up on discussion with a GD pilot. In your eyes PAF is clueless, so lets go with that.

Hi,

That GD pilot is a third rate con artist---. Bring him on here---. GD pilot my foot---.

He want to do a 400 NM flight in a visible spectrum and the target being the most precious jewel in the enemy crown---.

Where did you find that dumb fool---and tell him that I said so---.

 

[PakFactor]

Thank you, i built that up on discussion with a GD pilot. In your eyes PAF is clueless, so lets go with that.

@Signalian don't worry about MastanKhan he called me a moron last night after his erection, he's gone Patwari for some reason.

But I thank you for your info.

I also left a question on your Profile Page from January if you can give us your input.

 

[MastanKhan]

@Signalian don't worry about MastanKhan he called me a moron last night after his erection, he's gone Patwari for some reason.

But I thank you for your info.

I also left a question on your Profile Page from January if you can give us your input.

Kid,

Use your brains and think---how would you fly from Bholari to mumbai without being visible all thru the route---.

Just to spite me---don't cut off you nose---.

 

[Signalian]

Hi,

That GD pilot is a third rate con artist---. Bring him on here---. GD pilot my foot---.

He want to do a 400 NM flight in a visible spectrum and the target being the most precious jewel in the enemy crown---.

Where did you find that dumb fool---and tell him that I said so---.

A nobody on an online forum living in fools paradise of JH-7 dream, awaits. This is where reasoning ends and an inflated ego booms towards direction unknown, drifting into the incognito.

Kid,

Use your brains and think---how would you fly from Bholari to mumbai without being visible all thru the route---.

Just to spite me---don't cut off you nose---.

I am not feeding your over inflated ego anymore.

 

[MastanKhan]

A nobody on an online forum living in fools paradise of JH-7 dream, awaits. This is where reasoning ends and an inflated ego booms towards direction unknown, drifting into the incognito.


I am not feeding your over inflated ego anymore.

Hi,

Don't cutoff your nose to spite me---. Ask your GD pilot---how would the aircraft fly from Bholari to Mumbai without being visible to the enemy for the 400 NM + flight---.

 

[airomerix]

Hi,

Don't cutoff your nose to spite me---. Ask your GD pilot---how would the aircraft fly from Bholari to Mumbai without being visible to the enemy for the 400 NM + flight---.

There is nothing wrong with his notion. This is how battle plans are drawn. You measure the distance, mission profile, expected adversary, exit points and so on.

In an event of war, airstrikes will be the second preferred option after surface to surface strikes.

As for striking Mumbai, It is not going to be in the first few days. A lot needs to be done before getting to Mumbai. A fighter sweep along with dozens of SEAD/DEAD missions along the way have to be carried out. But it's not impossible as you have put.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

So---here is map of pakistan / india---. Bholari is close to Hyderabad---.

Have your GD pilot draw out a route to get to mumbai without the enemy knowing about the aircrafts.

There are mutliple air bases en route---there are enemy awacs flying---there are enemy SA batteries on the coast line.

When worst comes to worst---use your brains---. The GD pilot's word is not the end---.

Baray Tumharay GD Pilot nain Bol Diya---jaisay pathar pay likh diya haraf a akhir---. And you want to come here and strut around with your support from the GD pilot---.

There is nothing wrong with his notion. This is how battle plans are drawn. You measure the distance, mission profile, expected adversary, exit points and so on.

In an event of war, airstrikes will be the second preferred option after surface to surface strikes.

As for striking Mumbai, It is not going to be in the first few days. A lot needs to be done before getting to Mumbai. A fighter sweep along with dozens of SEAD/DEAD missions along the way have to be carried out. But it's not impossible as you have put.

Hi,

Show the route on the map---.

 

[airomerix]

Hi,

So---here is map of pakistan / india---. Bholari is close to Hyderabad---.

Have your GD pilot draw out a route to get to mumbai without the enemy knowing about the aircrafts.

There are mutliple air bases en route---there are enemy awacs flying---there are enemy SA batteries on the coast line.

When worst comes to worst---use your brains---. The GD pilot's word is not the end---.

Baray Tumharay GD Pilot nain Bol Diya---jaisay pathar pay likh diya haraf a akhir---. And you want to come here and strut around with your support from the GD pilot---.


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Hi,

Show the route on the map---.

I suggest you study Operation Opera.

When it comes to strategic targets, all options are put on the table. Mumbai is no exception.

And I dont need to show you anything on the map. Everyone can read a map so can you, i suppose.

Like I said earlier, It will not be a walk in the park. But in an event of war, when everything is in chaos. You might witness a mission executed of a similar kind from our side.

But yes, Surface to Surface via Pak Navy is a more realistic option. And it is going to happen.

 

[Pinnacle]

Hi,

That GD pilot is a third rate con artist---. Bring him on here---. GD pilot my foot---.

He want to do a 400 NM flight in a visible spectrum and the target being the most precious jewel in the enemy crown---.

Where did you find that dumb fool---and tell him that I said so---.

 

[MastanKhan]

I suggest you study Operation Opera.

When it comes to strategic targets, all options are put on the table. Mumbai is no exception.

And I dont need to show you anything on the map. Everyone can read a map so can you, i suppose.

Like I said earlier, It will not be a walk in the park. But in an event of war, when everything is in chaos. You might witness a mission executed of a similar kind from our side.

But yes, Surface to Surface via Pak Navy is a more realistic option. And it is going to happen.

Hi,

I have read multiple books on it and watched multiple videos as well---and there was one thing common in all those different books on the same subject---.

All the aircraft flew in the " hidden spectrum "---neither they were visible to the radar or the public for the route they took---. Iraqi radar at the final location was shut down as well OR RENDERED INOPERATIVE.

Operation opera and current enemy strength has no comparison---.

Over here---once they take off from bholari or karachi---they will become visible soon.

The whole coastline has multiple air bases---. There will be multiple awacs flying in the arena---. There will be SA batteries on the coastline that will knock off the aircraft---.

When the aircraft take off from bholari or karachi---anyone can inform the enemy that aircraft have taken off---.

But from a place like Pasni or if there is a base around Gwadar---the telephone signal can be jammed---so no one can contact the enemy---.

The enemy surveillance aircraft cannot see 450 miles away even if they are flying high.

From farther away our strike force flies out---the more assets the enemy would have to spread out to protect itself---the better our chances of inflicting damage in other areas. Spreading out more assets in one area means that there would be lesser assets in the other areas---.

The strike from gwadar / pasni can also be made and used as a diversion tactics from the battle fronts on the mainland---to attract enemy aircraft towards itself---and then as the enemy sends its force towards that area over the ocean---they break away and fly back---.

Chengiz Khan and the Mongols perfected that art of attack and then pull back---the enemy chased---made the enemy come farther out---they turned and struck and decimated the enemy the muslim forces the chinese force the russian forces and every other force with that tactic----.

Again---operation opera was over empty land with no opponents assets present---over here---the arena is teeming with enemy aircraft---awacs---SA batteries---.

So--I don't see the similarity.

 

[MastanKhan]

Most of you are just like these pixies

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

I have read multiple books on it and watched multiple videos as well---and there was one thing common in all those different books on the same subject---.

All the aircraft flew in the " hidden spectrum "---neither they were visible to the radar or the public for the route they took---. Iraqi radar at the final location was shut down as well OR RENDERED INOPERATIVE.

Operation opera and current enemy strength has no comparison---.

Over here---once they take off from bholari or karachi---they will become visible soon.

The whole coastline has multiple air bases---. There will be multiple awacs flying in the arena---. There will be SA batteries on the coastline that will knock off the aircraft---.

When the aircraft take off from bholari or karachi---anyone can inform the enemy that aircraft have taken off---.

But from a place like Pasni or if there is a base around Gwadar---the telephone signal can be jammed---so no one can contact the enemy---.

The enemy surveillance aircraft cannot see 450 miles away even if they are flying high.

From farther away our strike force flies out---the more assets the enemy would have to spread out to protect itself---the better our chances of inflicting damage in other areas. Spreading out more assets in one area means that there would be lesser assets in the other areas---.

The strike from gwadar / pasni can also be made and used as a diversion tactics from the battle fronts on the mainland---to attract enemy aircraft towards itself---and then as the enemy sends its force towards that area over the ocean---they break away and fly back---.

Again---operation opera was over empty land with no opponents assets present---over here---the arena is teeming with enemy aircraft---awacs---SA batteries---.

So--I don't see the similarity.

Precisely; a large swing over the ocean opens up a completely new axis the Indians will have to spend vast resources to monitor much less dedicate interceptors to counter a low flying strike package.

A long legged launch platform that can be bought for cheap like the JH-7A should be seen as just that, a launch platform; escorted by JF-17 equipped with 3 drop tanks, PL-15 and PL-10, should be adequate enough to position the Strike package to launch long range stealth cruise missiles. F-16s could be an another option is they can be spared from defending across the LOC and IB

This is the approach of the US and UK forces with the LRASM and new MBDA stealth missile

Wr also have to remember that it may not be assets near Mumbai that need to be combated but a potential Indian carrier based blockade. Where a similar approach; launching waves of missiles from multiple angles along with jammer missiles like MALD-J is the best way to get the job done and on the cheap.

MBDA missiles at 3:07; both stealth and subsonic as well as a less stealthy supersonic option

LRASM

MALD

While the JH-7A has no where near the payload as these bombers; missiles have come down in weight, but the wave concept (except from a lot further out) still holds. Especially with great EW equipment.

 

[Sine Nomine]

@MastanKhan @Signalian @PakFactor Gentleman you all are good posters and everyone is right in his prespective.Refrain from going personal.
P.S:-I would suggest looking at deployment of assets on Bharati side for better discussion.

Precisely; a large swing over the ocean opens up a completely new axis the Indians will have to spend vast resources to monitor much less dedicate interceptors to counter a low flying strike package.

A long legged launch platform that can be bought for cheap like the JH-7A should be seen as just that, a launch platform; escorted by JF-17 equipped with 3 drop tanks, PL-15 and PL-10, should be adequate enough to position the Strike package to launch long range stealth cruise missiles. F-16s could be an another option is they can be spared from defending across the LOC and IB

This is the approach of the US and UK forces with the LRASM and new MBDA stealth missile

Wr also have to remember that it may not be assets near Mumbai that need to be combated but a potential Indian carrier based blockade. Where a similar approach; launching waves of missiles from multiple angles along with jammer missiles like MALD-J is the best way to get the job done and on the cheap.

MBDA missiles at 3:07; both stealth and subsonic as well as a less stealthy supersonic option

LRASM

MALD

While the JH-7A has no where near the payload as these bombers; missiles have come down in weight, but the wave concept (except from a lot further out) still holds. Especially with great EW equipment.

Problem is that we have none of this.

 

[PakFactor]

@MastanKhan @Signalian @PakFactor Gentleman you all are good posters and everyone is right in his prespective.Refrain from going personal.


Problem is that we have none of this.

Will do.