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Confirmed: The 50 new jets will be Block 2 JF-17s. The structure parts will be flown to Chinese for final avionics and testing assembly. Unlike the first block where all avionics were assembled at Kamra. I think thats why Media is confusing "Made in China". The reason is new radar readied by Nanjing Institute with complex assembly procedures. Sensor suit is an upgrade and all Chinese.
I am not sure about this emergency bases thing in Media. I think its wrong news. but I have not confirmed it. This posted info is from a senior person as our ordinary pilots an engineers can not comment on anything as such for obvious reasons. I dont write any account of interaction with them as there has earlier been an incident of disclosure some times back and the blamed person had to bear consiquences (I was not party in that. Someone here was he knows it)

Confirmed: Current block 1s will not be upgraded. It will be replaced by block2s at the end of 150 jets. A new squadern will be raised for the sole purpose of training foreign buyers of this aircraft and rest of the examples will move to CCS to replace ageing Aircrafts. Block 2 might be the last version of JF-17s. The block2 radar (will disclose name and improvements once I get a nod from someone senior... or not) shall be the standard radar for all JF-17s. Improvements will all be based on this standard version. Block 1 radar carrying planes are exception.

Confirmed: FC-20's 90% pending issues are finished. The wings are slightly modified and are composite structures (above 50%). Canard foreplane's hight is slightly changed.
I am sure the tactics for this plane are already in place and this Aircraft will see front lines immediately on induction (my estimate: this years end or starting mid next year). FC-20 is a excellent platform as per pilots. Confirmed by the ones who did it, it does perform that SU30's famous manuver and recovers much faster than it.

Confirmed: SD-10B is already inducted. Numbers are being made up. It is indeed confirmed that side by side performance comparissons put it on par with Aamram120c5s. All JF-17s and FC20s will carry it for next 5 years before a new version is presented. (Confirmed existance of a NG Medium range missile programe by Chinese for their stealth version). The Meteor is out of equation as vendor will now allow integration with Chinese platorms.

From a Chinese source: There is still a posibility of J-11B with russian engine for PK Navy. I said it before in 2009. PAF comment was, its all dependant on WS10 engine which may be common in FC20 and J11B. I wish it materialize as I have heard it over and again by senior navy officers. Surface assets are vulnerable to attack. I remember posting a detailed conversation with a senior navy officer some times ago.

Inshallah will post the postables from my recent interactions as I find time.
 
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Respect Pak sovereignty, China tells US

The two countries are also in the process of discussing the supply of J-20 Stealth ???? and Xiaolong/FC-1 multi-purpose light fighter aircraft to Pakistan. They are discussing the mode of payment and the number of planes to be provided to Pakistan, the sources said.
 
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So if its to be the final version then no stealthier nose????
 
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well i am really surprised about the J-11B

we need this damn fighter soon to end MKI superiority in south asia once and forever
 
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Current block 1s will not be upgraded. It will be replaced by block2s at the end of 150 jets.

That implies we are only going to induct 150 and not 250 which were previously anticipated? Also what is meaning of Block-I replaced after 150 jets? Does that mean another 50 block-II will replace block-I? What are we going to do with those 50 block-I planes?

Another question: does that also mean Pakistan's interest in JF-17 is reaching to its saturation?
 
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That implies we are only going to induct 150 and not 250 which were previously anticipated? Also what is meaning of Block-I replaced after 150 jets? Does that mean another 50 block-II will replace block-I? What are we going to do with those 50 block-I planes?

Another question: does that also mean Pakistan's interest in JF-17 is reaching to its saturation?

Well eaglehannon has stated:
"A new squadern will be raised for the sole purpose of training foreign buyers of this aircraft and rest of the examples will move to CCS to replace ageing Aircrafts."

So basically the block-1s will compose the new squadron for training the foreign buyers and the rest would be sent to CCS.
 
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Sir but MKI is not the only good jet India would have in few years time. Rafale is most likely to be added to their fire-power in next 4-5 years time or perhaps earlier. So even though we would induct J-11bs (probably couple of squadrons of those), the balance of power won't change to the level we want.

I hope Pakistan would Induct single engine as well as twin engine variants of J-20. Single Engine Variant would be good enough to counter Rafale and twin engine would be good for PAKFA/FGFA.
 
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Following are some updates by eaglehannon

Confirmed: The 50 new jets will be Block 2 JF-17s. The structure parts will be flown to Chinese for final avionics and testing assembly. Unlike the first block where all avionics were assembled at Kamra. I think thats why Media is confusing "Made in China". The reason is new radar readied by Nanjing Institute with complex assembly procedures. Sensor suit is an upgrade and all Chinese.
I am not sure about this emergency bases thing in Media. I think its wrong news. but I have not confirmed it. This posted info is from a senior person as our ordinary pilots an engineers can not comment on anything as such for obvious reasons. I dont write any account of interaction with them as there has earlier been an incident of disclosure some times back and the blamed person had to bear consiquences (I was not party in that. Someone here was he knows it)

Confirmed: Current block 1s will not be upgraded. It will be replaced by block2s at the end of 150 jets. A new squadern will be raised for the sole purpose of training foreign buyers of this aircraft and rest of the examples will move to CCS to replace ageing Aircrafts. Block 2 might be the last version of JF-17s. The block2 radar (will disclose name and improvements once I get a nod from someone senior... or not) shall be the standard radar for all JF-17s. Improvements will all be based on this standard version. Block 1 radar carrying planes are exception.

Confirmed: FC-20's 90% pending issues are finished. The wings are slightly modified and are composite structures (above 50%). Canard foreplane's hight is slightly changed.
I am sure the tactics for this plane are already in place and this Aircraft will see front lines immediately on induction (my estimate: this years end or starting mid next year). FC-20 is a excellent platform as per pilots. Confirmed by the ones who did it, it does perform that SU30's famous manuver and recovers much faster than it.

Confirmed: SD-10B is already inducted. Numbers are being made up. It is indeed confirmed that side by side performance comparissons put it on par with Aamram120c5s. All JF-17s and FC20s will carry it for next 5 years before a new version is presented. (Confirmed existance of a NG Medium range missile programe by Chinese for their stealth version). The Meteor is out of equation as vendor will now allow integration with Chinese platorms.

From a Chinese source: There is still a posibility of J-11B with russian engine for PK Navy. I said it before in 2009. PAF comment was, its all dependant on WS10 engine which may be common in FC20 and J11B. I wish it materialize as I have heard it over and again by senior navy officers. Surface assets are vulnerable to attack. I remember posting a detailed conversation with a senior navy officer some times ago.

Inshallah will post the postables from my recent interactions as I find time.

the famous manoeuvre being cobra? I thought FC20's engine didn't have TVC! unless now it does??
 
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the famous manoeuvre being cobra? I thought FC20's engine didn't have TVC! unless now it does??

the famous manoeuvre being cobra? I thought FC20's engine didn't have TVC! unless now it does??

You dont need TVC to do a cobra.

A mig-29 and an SU-27 doing the cobra:

A J-11 doing the cobra:

And my personal favorite Drakens doing the cobra:
 
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can JF 17 do cobra?
anything special needed for this move?
 
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By Munir

this is the radar of j10b

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I bet the Jf17 block 2 has the same or a little smaller version.
 
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