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FC-1 is the Chinese designation, and the export orders would most probably be equipped with all Chinese equipment, while JF-17 is the designation used by PAF, which is a customized version having western, pakistani and Chinese equipment.

But i think their is no big difference in current JF17 and FC1 cause JF17 still using Chinese aviation's and recently Pakistan sign a deal with China for missiles ??
 
But i think their is no big difference in current JF17 and FC1 cause JF17 still using Chinese aviation's and recently Pakistan sign a deal with China for missiles ??

Communication system is different, its western and not Chinese, data link is western, PAF JF-17s radar would have local input, meeting our requirements, similarly difference would be there in ECMs and some other smaller things, where local things would be added or western ones may be. JF-17 would be having western ejection seat, while FC-1 mostly would be coming with Chinese seats (depending if customer doesn't asks for western ones), JF-17 would be made compatible with local weapon systems, like the H-2/4 & Ra'ad CM systems.

These some major / minor differences would be there which would differentiate between JF-17 & FC-1. For some checking, find out the FC-1 Pt#06 picture and compare it with JF-17 pics, you will find the difference in the communication antennas being used.
 
Communication system is different, its western and not Chinese, data link is western, PAF JF-17s radar would have local input, meeting our requirements, similarly difference would be there in ECMs and some other smaller things, where local things would be added or western ones may be. JF-17 would be having western ejection seat, while FC-1 mostly would be coming with Chinese seats (depending if customer doesn't asks for western ones), JF-17 would be made compatible with local weapon systems, like the H-2/4 & Ra'ad CM systems.

These some major / minor differences would be there which would differentiate between JF-17 & FC-1. For some checking, find out the FC-1 Pt#06 picture and compare it with JF-17 pics, you will find the difference in the communication antennas being used.

Agreed with you but all these changes are miner and if any other country use FC1 their specs also different with any other

My point is
no big difference in current JF17 and FC1
 
Agreed with you but all these changes are miner and if any other country use FC1 their specs also different with any other

My point is

I have no idea what you are trying to say or convey. Whether minor or major, such differences make a lot of matter to the one using it. A western communication / data link capability gives the user the option to use its aircraft with western platforms, an own designed or configured radar gives lot of advantage to PAF, an advantage which other users may not have since PAF would be having the source codes and other won't. We would be integrating a western data link to communicate with a Chinese AEW&C as well as Western AEW&C, as well as a BVR missile. We can design our own ECM systems and place them in our version of the jet, thus more flexibility for us as well as secrecy as no one will have those ECMs with them, ours may be superior to what Chinese would be exporting, as no one likes to export the superior version of its stuff to others.

That is where the difference is, don't just look at designations, JF-17 is our designation since we are a part of this project and have complete access to it and can do whatever we want with it, while FC-1 would not be like JF-17, it would be exported as and what the Chinese like it to and the customer can't do any change in it, while we can.

So, yeah No big difference for you, but for us, designation may not matter much, but the your POV minor differences are a huge differences for us, which gives our jet, exceptional capabilities when compared to Chinese export version of FC-1.

Pakistan and China would not be exporting a superior version outside of themselves.
 
So, now the big issue is the BIG difference, wow, when will they learn?
 
Leave them alone.. they probably are planing to have their hands on export version FC-1 via some foreign customer... this is why they want to know what exactly is different in JFT.
 
No sirji India cant afford JF17 :lol:


And BTW my question is from Taimi not from other

Its not about the question, its about something that has been discussed over, over, over and over again but again same thing is repeated. Why don't you folks just go through previous JFT threads and get rid of your confusions on this project once and for all ??
 
Agreed with you but all these changes are miner and if any other country use FC1 their specs also different with any other

My point is

:lol:.....So JFT should have 4 wings 2 canards canted tails and o yeah Indian famous two seats to make a BIG difference?
 
tit bit...

klj-7 currently has 550 watt output power and is powerful enough, but plans are in place for locally produced radar to have 600 watt (yes folks, 600) watt which will give it as much power as in APG-68 v9 ! but its radar antenna size will remain same. ISAR will be introduced, other modes will remain same but range will be increased. Overall, i expect it to be as capable as V9 in general capability but less in range. MTBF is around 300 hours. AESA is being worked out in China and is going through final trials. Blk 3 will have AESA but it will be tested on a prototype in China and then in Pakistan......
 
By the way Nabil posts are really interesting and informative. Thanks Nabil.

:tup:
 
nabil bhai , kindly explain the importance of watts and antenna size in this case to novices like me..

whats are the watts for our f7 and f16 as compared to our jf17?

ty!
 
The more powerful transmitter, more options available such as more range, functions, processing speed, cooling, etc, although range greatly counts on antenna size too...Also, ESA antenna can be enabled on current klj-7 too !

F-7= Grifo-7=200-250 watt

f-16 blk 15= 300-350 watt

Rose Mirage= Grifo M3= 400-450 watt

Grifo-S (JFT earlier) =500-560 watt

KLJ-7 (JFT current)=550 watt (soon 600-650)
 
Interesting read and credit goes to Mr Asif Ijaz on pakdef forum....

A QUANTUM LEAP IN TECHNOLOGICAL GROWTH

By Air Commodore Sohail Malik

Notwithstanding our weaknesses as a nation, the people of Pakistan have undoubtedly given a good account of themselves by displaying resilience, perseverance, and unwavering determination in the face of imposed hardships.

Air power in the 21st century has emerged as the decisive factor in modern day warfare and is the most effective element of the military. A fighter aircraft, being the primary platform of air power, has held the key to success in most, if not all modern war scenarios. However, while potent military arsenal deters foreign aggression, it is the indigenous military capability that truly provides a dependable and sustained defence both during peace as well as war. Nations desirous of pursuing an independent foreign policy with minimal external influence thus need self?sufficiency in production, operation, and maintenance of their military equipment. The spiraling cost of inducting off?the?shelf modern weapon?systems is also supportive of this option.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, established in the early 1970s with the aim to create an indigenous facility for overhauling aircraft and aero?engines has contributed significantly towards PAF’s operational readiness over the years by optimizing aircraft availability. The set?up gradually flourished, leading PAC into manufacturing of a small trainer aircraft by establishing the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory (AMF). The factory has gathered experience of manufacturing over 300 Mushshak / Super Mushshak primary flight trainer aircraft and of producing structural assemblies of K?8 Advanced Jet Trainer. Success on these and other similar projects afforded the confidence to the decision makers to venture into manufacturing a fighter aircraft at PAC. On the other hand, Kamra Avionics & Radar Factory (KARF), which was already producing Radar Warning Receivers and Griffo?7 Airborne radars for the F-7P aircraft since 1996 was naturally suited to the production of JF?17 avionics.

The primary aim of the JF?17 co?production project is to establish the capability for the agreed work?share and to sustain a production rate commensurate with PAF’s operational requirements. In order to produce its share of work, AMF is establishing the capability to manufacture, assemble, and test this modern fighter aircraft. The capabilities being acquired represent the cutting edge of technology, have broad industrial applications, and are in most cases unprecedented in Pakistan in terms of capability and capacity. In the field of avionics development, self?reliance has been achieved by acquiring complete Integration?technology. Setting up facilities for the avionics production at KARF was again a huge task, involving development of infrastructure and induction of a large number of equipment items.

In the JF?17 program, first milestone in manufacturing was achieved with the capability of sub?assembly work in Jan 2008. In planning for the JF?17 project, the sub?assembly manufacturing was preferred as the beginning step in view of the previous experience from production of Karakoram?8 jet trainer. After the readiness of necessary infrastructure, human resource, and the administrative framework, the final assembly and flight?testing commenced in June 2009. On 23 November, in the same year, the first indigenously assembled JF?17 aircraft rolled?out from the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. This capability achievement phase was completed in May 2010 during which six aircraft were produced and handed over to PAF. The next phase planned to commence in the near future is the manufacturing of piece?parts for which final preparations are at hand. On the avionics co?production side, nine systems are being co?produced while another three have been indigenously developed in Pakistan. The in?country production stands at 30% of the package in numbers and more than 50% in terms of value. PAC remains committed to enhance this figure in the next phase.

The JF?17 co?production project is one of the most ambitious projects undertaken at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The tangible benefits of the JF?17 program extend beyond the apparent defence outlook to the creation of a highly enabled technological hub in the country. The wide array of diversified engineering facilities presents opportunities to both academia and the industrial sector of Pakistan. The presence of state?of?the?art technology within their reach can greatly enhance the awareness level with minimal additional investment. Experts can research on ways to best utilize the latest technologies available at PAC to the mutual benefit, thus innovatively improving the value?addition in the manufacturing sector of Pakistan. The project has afforded more than 4000 employment opportunities, thereby contributing towards the well?being of people from all over the country. The growth in expertise shall benefit the local industry through consultancy, advice and training. The human resource trained on these technologies at PAC can make valuable contributions to the national skill potential. Over a long period, capitalizing on their high skill level, the human resource can even evolve as an upstream vendor industry.

The fruits of this endeavour are manifested in the form of JF?17 Thunder aircraft, which is an all weather lightweight aircraft, having an advanced airframe design, high aerial manoeuvrability, state?of?the?art avionics systems, and a wide array of weapons. Equipped with these features, it can truly be placed in the higher strata of medium?tech aircraft category. The flexibility of customisation in incorporating the avionics suite would prevent the briskness of technological advancements from outpacing the strategic foresight. The JF?17 has been designed to stand in good stead in the future and it is envisaged to remain the mainstay of PAF for years to come

The JF?17 Thunder Programme is a landmark achievement in the quest for realizing a dream through friendly cooperation between two countries. The co?production of JF?17, a vital and integral element of the overall programme, is undoubtedly a challenging project undertaken by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in support of the national goal of self?reliance. The newly established state?of?the?art facilities represent a quantum leap in the technological capability of PAC and shall be a forerunner of even bigger endeavours.

The personnel of PAF draw inspiration from the countless sacrifices rendered by our national heroes and the contribution made towards defence of the motherland. The distinction of belonging to a select group of countries capable of manufacturing a fighter aircraft should indeed be a boost to the national esteem. The people of Pakistan can cherish the JF?17 Thunder with resounding national pride, as the skies of their beloved motherland shall be guarded by a potent homegrown platform.


LINK....

PAKISTAN: Indigenous Manufacturing Of JF 17 Aircraft | Opinion Maker
 
Pakistan: INDIGENOUS MANUFACTURING OF JF 17 AIRCRAFT
January 3, 2011 posted by Raja Mujtaba
JF-17-Induction.jpg


A QUANTUM LEAP IN TECHNOLOGICAL GROWTH

By Air Commodore Sohail Malik, PAF

Since coming into existence, the Pakistani nation has had its fair share of trials and tribulations. The strategic geographical location and fast emerging geopolitical scenarios have been the imposing determinants on its policies and direction. Notwithstanding our weaknesses as a nation, the people of Pakistan have undoubtedly given a good account of themselves by displaying resilience, perseverance, and unwavering determination in the face of imposed hardships.

Air power in the 21st century has emerged as the decisive factor in modern day warfare and is the most effective element of the military. A fighter aircraft, being the primary platform of air power, has held the key to success in most, if not all modern war scenarios. However, while potent military arsenal deters foreign aggression, it is the indigenous military capability that truly provides a dependable and sustained defence both during peace as well as war. Nations desirous of pursuing an independent foreign policy with minimal external influence thus need self‑sufficiency in production, operation, and maintenance of their military equipment. The spiraling cost of inducting off‑the‑shelf modern weapon‑systems is also supportive of this option.

Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, established in the early 1970s with the aim to create an indigenous facility for overhauling aircraft and aero‑engines has contributed significantly towards PAF’s operational readiness over the years by optimizing aircraft availability. The set‑up gradually flourished, leading PAC into manufacturing of a small trainer aircraft by establishing the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory (AMF). The factory has gathered experience of manufacturing over 300 Mushshak / Super Mushshak primary flight trainer aircraft and of producing structural assemblies of K‑8 Advanced Jet Trainer. Success on these and other similar projects afforded the confidence to the decision makers to venture into manufacturing a fighter aircraft at PAC. On the other hand, Kamra Avionics & Radar Factory (KARF), which was already producing Radar Warning Receivers and Griffo‑7 Airborne radars for the F-7P aircraft since 1996 was naturally suited to the production of JF‑17 avionics.

The primary aim of the JF‑17 co‑production project is to establish the capability for the agreed work‑share and to sustain a production rate commensurate with PAF’s operational requirements. In order to produce its share of work, AMF is establishing the capability to manufacture, assemble, and test this modern fighter aircraft. The capabilities being acquired represent the cutting edge of technology, have broad industrial applications, and are in most cases unprecedented in Pakistan in terms of capability and capacity. In the field of avionics development, self‑reliance has been achieved by acquiring complete Integration‑technology. Setting up facilities for the avionics production at KARF was again a huge task, involving development of infrastructure and induction of a large number of equipment items.

In the JF‑17 program, first milestone in manufacturing was achieved with the capability of sub‑assembly work in Jan 2008. In planning for the JF‑17 project, the sub‑assembly manufacturing was preferred as the beginning step in view of the previous experience from production of Karakoram‑8 jet trainer. After the readiness of necessary infrastructure, human resource, and the administrative framework, the final assembly and flight‑testing commenced in June 2009. On 23 November, in the same year, the first indigenously assembled JF‑17 aircraft rolled‑out from the Aircraft Manufacturing Factory of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. This capability achievement phase was completed in May 2010 during which six aircraft were produced and handed over to PAF. The next phase planned to commence in the near future is the manufacturing of piece‑parts for which final preparations are at hand. On the avionics co‑production side, nine systems are being co‑produced while another three have been indigenously developed in Pakistan. The in‑country production stands at 30% of the package in numbers and more than 50% in terms of value. PAC remains committed to enhance this figure in the next phase.


The JF‑17 co‑production project is one of the most ambitious projects undertaken at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex. The tangible benefits of the JF‑17 program extend beyond the apparent defence outlook to the creation of a highly enabled technological hub in the country. The wide array of diversified engineering facilities presents opportunities to both academia and the industrial sector of Pakistan. The presence of state‑of‑the‑art technology within their reach can greatly enhance the awareness level with minimal additional investment. Experts can research on ways to best utilize the latest technologies available at PAC to the mutual benefit, thus innovatively improving the value‑addition in the manufacturing sector of Pakistan. The project has afforded more than 4000 employment opportunities, thereby contributing towards the well‑being of people from all over the country. The growth in expertise shall benefit the local industry through consultancy, advice and training. The human resource trained on these technologies at PAC can make valuable contributions to the national skill potential. Over a long period, capitalizing on their high skill level, the human resource can even evolve as an upstream vendor industry.

The fruits of this endeavour are manifested in the form of JF‑17 Thunder aircraft, which is an all weather lightweight aircraft, having an advanced airframe design, high aerial manoeuvrability, state‑of‑the‑art avionics systems, and a wide array of weapons. Equipped with these features, it can truly be placed in the higher strata of medium‑tech aircraft category. The flexibility of customisation in incorporating the avionics suite would prevent the briskness of technological advancements from outpacing the strategic foresight. The JF‑17 has been designed to stand in good stead in the future and it is envisaged to remain the mainstay of PAF for years to come

The JF‑17 Thunder Programme is a landmark achievement in the quest for realizing a dream through friendly cooperation between two countries. The co‑production of JF‑17, a vital and integral element of the overall programme, is undoubtedly a challenging project undertaken by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex in support of the national goal of self‑reliance. The newly established state‑of‑the‑art facilities represent a quantum leap in the technological capability of PAC and shall be a forerunner of even bigger endeavours.

The personnel of PAF draw inspiration from the countless sacrifices rendered by our national heroes and the contribution made towards defence of the motherland. The distinction of belonging to a select group of countries capable of manufacturing a fighter aircraft should indeed be a boost to the national esteem. The people of Pakistan can cherish the JF‑17 Thunder with resounding national pride, as the skies of their beloved motherland shall be guarded by a potent homegrown platform.
 
What is the latest inventory of JF-17 in PAF.

can anyone tell, thanks.
 
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