JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 4]

[ANG]

hmm intresting !! YJ83...installed on 2 different stations, one closed to body and ther other one on 2nd under wing

Hi Mr. MZUBAIR, the picture is a bit deceiving. The missiles are both on the inboard wing stations. I highly doubt the outer/2nd wing station can handle that heavy of a missile.

 

[abaseen99]

 

[MJaa]

JF-17 Thunder Got Jacked

The JF-17 Thunder fighter jet of the Pakistan air force got jacked @ Zhuhai Air Show 2010.


Read more: JF-17 Thunder Got Jacked ~ Pakistan Military Review

 

[fatman17]

JF-17 Thunder Got Jacked

The JF-17 Thunder fighter jet of the Pakistan air force got jacked @ Zhuhai Air Show 2010.


Read more: JF-17 Thunder Got Jacked ~ Pakistan Military Review

2nd pic - worn-out tyre!

 

[SQ8]

2nd pic - worn-out tyre!

Heavy braking??..
as no chute was used...

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hmm intresting !! YJ83...installed on 2 different stations, one closed to body and ther other one on 2nd under wing

You sure?

Maybe its the angle of the shot?

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

Heavy braking??..
as no chute was used...

Heavy breaking is defiantly the reason but these pictures are from Zuhai not Dubai.....
JF-17 landed without air breaks or chute in Dubai for the first time ever, during public display.
It used chute after every flight display in Zuhai, Izmir.

 

[SQ8]

Heavy breaking is defiantly the reason but these pictures are from Zuhai not Dubai.....
JF-17 landed without air breaks or chute in Dubai for the first time ever, during public display.
It used chute after every flight display in Zuhai, Izmir.

Then those tires may have been used a lot..
which brings us to the question of the life cycle of one of these tires.
Since these along with brakes are one of the highest expenditures in total lifecycle costs.

 

[regular]

[B

The JF-17 Thunder fighter jet of the Pakistan air force got jacked @ Zhuhai Air Show 2010.

This means that the plane flew so many times and that it tore off the tyre so much.....

 

[Tempest II]

I think the aircraft touchdown means a lot of wear on the tires hence the smoke even under “normal” operations.
Now if you consider tha the “air show” atmosphere meant everything being pushed to the limit. So the plane would have been trying to demonstrate the STOL characteristics = heavy braking, likely after a high approach/TD speed to start with. The plane would have been at the air show for a few days practicing and a few days of actual displays, it is possible these tyres started as new before the air show.
I checked a bit on the net and one ex-RAF guy says they English Electric Lightning needed tyres changed every 4 TDs on average. I then came across some other technical article saying some tyre manufactures recommend changing aircraft tyres when the threads are exposed.

 

[PakShaheen79]

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Revealed in 1995 as the successor of the cancelled Sino-US Super-7 project, FC-1 (Fighter China-1, max TO weight 12,700kg, max speed 1.8M, service ceiling 16,920m, max weapon load 3,900kg, ferry range 3,480km, combat radius 1,352km, max g load +8.5) is being developed by CAC/611 Institute (with some technical assistance from Russian Mikoyan OKB) as a "medium tech", light weight fighter/ground attack aircraft carrying a relatively cheap price tag (~$20m). As a fighter designed for export, its main customer is expected to be Pakistan who also shares 50% of the total cost (around $150m). It may also compete with second-hand F-16s to seize the market created by the retirement of Mig-21s, Mirage III and F-5s. Currently powered by a Russian RD-93 turbofan (upgraded RD-33, rated 8,795kg with a/b), it may also be powered by a locally produced WS-13 Taishan if it ever enters the service with PLAAF. The A-6 style "V" shaped air-intakes are believed to provide smooth air flow to the engine at high AoA. The fire control radar is thought to be a Chinese KLJ-7 X-band multi-functional PD radar in the initial batches of 8, then subsequently switched to KLJ-10 with a better performance (track 10 engage 2, look-up range 75km, look-down range 45km for RCS=3m2). A European high performance radar (e.g. Italian Vixen 1000ES AESA) has been planned in later batches. Other electronics include an NVG compatible glass cockpit with 3 8"x6" color MFDs, HOTAS, AIFF, 1553B databus and INS/GPS. Weapon load includes both short (PL-5E/PL-9C/AIM-9M) and medium-range AAMs (PL-12/SD-10). LGBs (LT-2/LT-3/GBU-16), GPS/INS guided bombs (LS-6), anti-radiation missiles (Brazilian MAR-1) and laser designating pod (WMD-7) can also be carried for ground attack missions, up to 2 C-802A AShMs for anti-ship missions. For self-protection purpose a KG300G ECM pod can be carried. The development schedule of FC-1 was repeatedly delayed caused by various problems, such as lack of funding, the reluctance of western countries to supply advanced avionics, as well as the revised specifications set by PAF to counter the threat from India's LCAs. These specifications included a true BVR attack capability with active radar guided medium-range AAMs (SD-10). However, FC-1's prospect in the domestic market was not very promising, as PLAAF had largely committed to the more advanced J-10 as its new generation fighter along with J-11 and was reluctant to take a large number of FC-1s due to its less advanced design and a Russian engine. After lengthy negotiations, Pakistani government finally signed the contract with CATIC and CAC/611 in 1999 and gave the "go ahead" order to the much delayed project. The development was further accelerated after PAF recommitted the project and confirmed FC-1's technical specifications in detail in February 2001. A full-scale mock-up was quickly constructed. A total of 6 prototypes (01-06) would have been built at CAC. The 01 prototype rolled down the assembly line on May 31, 2003 with two small wing fences. Its maiden flight took place on August 25, 2003. The 03 prototype first flew on April 9, 2004 without the two small wing fences. The 04 prototype was expected to fly by the end of 2005 with full suite of avionics but this was delayed until April 2006 due to several structural modifications. They include new diverterless supersonic inlets (DSI/Bump) similar to those of American F-35 to reduce weight and achieve better performance. A large rectangular-shaped fairing is installed on top of the vertical tailfin which may house ECM equipment. Its flight control includes a Type 634 quadruplex digital FBW in pitch axis and a duplex analog FBW in roll axis. A UV band MAWS has been installed at the root of the vertical tailfin to provide rear hemisphere coverage. Two enlarged F/A-18 style LERX are thought to offer higher AOA as well. The first flight of 04 prototype took place on April 28, 2006, and 06 prototype on September 10, 2006. The first two preproduction JF-17s (Joint Fighter-17, 00 batch/07-101 & 102) were delivered to Pakistan on March 2, 2007, with the nose-tip pitot tube removed. The 01 batch of 6 JF-17s (08-103 -- 08-108) were delivered between March and April 2008. The contract for PAF to acquire 42 JF-17s (mostly assembled by PAC) was singed on March 7, 2009. The first two (09-109 & 110) have been built by CAC. The first JF-17 (09-111) in the batch of 4 assembled by PAC rolled out on November 23, 2009. It was reported in May 2011 that PAF plans to acquire another 50 JF-17s on an "expedited" basis and the negotiation is still ongoing. Besides Pakistan, several Asian and African countries also expressed interest in FC-1, including Egypt, Bangladesh, Iran, Sri Lanka and Azerbaijan. In October 2008 it was rumored that PLAAF might acquire some FC-1s as a low-cost light fighter/attack aircraft to replace its obsolete J-7s and Q-5s but this has not been confirmed. FC-1 passed design appraisal in December 2009. The first taxi test of FC-1 powered by an indigenous WS-13 took place on March 18, 2010. A recent rumor (March 2011) suggested that an improved version with a stealth optimized forward fuselage (diamond-shaped nose cross section?) is being developed. A prototype may have been flying. A further improved version (JF-17A/JF-17 Block 2?) featuring an AESA radar, IRST and IFR probe and a two-seat trainer version (JF-17B?) are thought to has been proposed and likely be under development as well.
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[Tempest II]

The Swiss have chosen the Gripen and released some details: http://www.news.admin.ch/NSBSubscriber/message/attachments/25029.pdf

Note that they Max climb rates: Gripen >200m/s, Tiffy >200m/s and Raffy >250m/s.

In Dubai they revealed the JF-17 to have a max climb rate of 249m/s.

From these data, there is a very high probability the Gripen is inferior in the vertical to the JFT.

 

[Sinnerman108]

The Swiss have chosen the Gripen and released some details: http://www.news.admin.ch/NSBSubscriber/message/attachments/25029.pdf

Note that they Max climb rates: Gripen >200m/s, Tiffy >200m/s and Raffy >250m/s.

In Dubai they revealed the JF-17 to have a max climb rate of 249m/s.

From these data, there is a very high probability the Gripen is inferior in the vertical to the JFT.

249 m/s could have been a typo error,
with the present engine it seems unlikely.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Ok, Here is some talk about 50 Thunders. I don't think it has been posted before and if so, my apologies.

 

[rcrmj]

I like JF-17 more and more when time goes``anything classic is timeless like F-16, F-15 and Su-27

 

[Tempest II]

249 m/s could have been a typo error,
with the present engine it seems unlikely.

I don’t believe it is a typo.
It was an international marketing event and they will have taken a lot of time to prepare. The preparation would have been checked and agreed by several people on what is appropriate to publish – including the PAF.
You are ignoring that Klimov have already published the RD-93 with 96kN max output. I don’t buy the argument from some people that the 96kN RD-93 is not for the FC-1/JF17 when the RD-93 is specifically an FC-1/JF-17 engine. You want to think that is another mistake?