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There will indeed have the improved variants of WS-13 condering they have improved variants for WS-10.
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Guys don't kill me if you have answered this question before but I need to know can JFT perform Night Operations like the latest F-16s can? If not JFT-I then can JFT-II or JFT-III would?
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Any chances of finding VTOL in block-III?
Would there be a block-IV?
There are lots f orders from various countries for JFT.. which block are those for?
In case of more ordres, will Pakistan sell its Block-I and only retain block-II onwards?
And like Mirage Landed on Motorways.. Can JFT do the same?
Block-I uses a parachute for landing. Will future blocks be independent of such landing or will they continue to employ those.
Will the future blocks of JFT be, less agile, more agile or would remain the same as block-I.
And finally.. when WS-13 would be used (with grater thrust to weight ratio), would it affect the range of aircraft?
Thank you all for your valuable time and attention.
Questions:
Any chances of finding VTOL in block-III?
Would there be a block-IV?
There are lots f orders from various countries for JFT.. which block are those for?
In case of more ordres, will Pakistan sell its Block-I and only retain block-II onwards?
And like Mirage Landed on Motorways.. Can JFT do the same?
Block-I uses a parachute for landing. Will future blocks be independent of such landing or will they continue to employ those.
Will the future blocks of JFT be, less agile, more agile or would remain the same as block-I.
And finally.. when WS-13 would be used (with grater thrust to weight ratio), would it affect the range of aircraft?
Thank you all for your valuable time and attention.
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Holy God this machine is going to be a killing spree..
just have a look what this bird is capable of.. it turns within 200 meters and changes its angles like its toe dancing. I'm truly Impressed.
Watch @ 3.50!
And if I am not wrong.. those were the initial prototypes which were being tested. The real product would be definitely a stead ahead then those. Mashallah - Alhamdolillah!
just have a look what this bird is capable of.. it turns within 200 meters and changes its angles like its toe dancing. I'm truly Impressed.
Watch @ 3.50!
And if I am not wrong.. those were the initial prototypes which were being tested. The real product would be definitely a stead ahead then those. Mashallah - Alhamdolillah!
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can JFT perform Night Operations like the latest F-16s can?
yes- check jftinfo pool thread
Any chances of finding VTOL in block-III?
there are rumours of a chinese 5th gen fighter-- however i highly doubt jft will ever be transformed into one.
Would there be a block-IV?
rumours of dual seat,strike/sead, modified front fuselage versions are present--- however avionics will be updated over the years--
maybe the next block will consist of 100 fighters if the paf is happy with the modifications..
There are lots f orders from various countries for JFT.. which block are those for?
depends on needs [composites and avionics] of that particular country
In case of more ordres, will Pakistan sell its Block-I and only retain block-II onwards?
when the numbers of jft deployed in paf are sufficient, then paf might consider..
And like Mirage Landed on Motorways.. Can JFT do the same?
ofcourse
Block-I uses a parachute for landing. Will future blocks be independent of such landing or will they continue to employ those.
remains to be seen
Will the future blocks of JFT be, less agile, more agile or would remain the same as block-I.
remains to be seen, however avionics, radar, stealthy features, payload will be priority
And finally.. when WS-13 would be used (with grater thrust to weight ratio), would it affect the range of aircraft?
lesser the wt / composites or greater the size of fighter with accompanied stronger engine
however the air refuellers help in increasing the range , as blk2 will come e probes
Thank you all for your valuable time and attention.
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A chin mounted pylon is likely, payload is likely to be increased from 8000 lbs, my assumption is about 500-1000 lb might be possible. Remember, it will have more powerful WS-13 instead of RD series. This is where Strengthening the undercarriage comes into equation, more load out, heavier plane.
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Had a conversation with a friend on JFT's potential and why so much going on on it so early in its lifetime? He said PAF has followed the F-16 developments over decades that has proved to be the most flexible post 2nd world war fighter to date. JFT will follow similar or even more development in its lifespan as we are seeing from 3rd prototype onwards. I see it emerging as a tremendous asset for PAF and export users in years, decades to come considering the fact in mind that F-16 never turned into the Stealth arena, something JFT has already stepped in.
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Where do we stand with regard to the riveting -- Is there a production process in which we may expect to not see these rivets?
And with regard to the refueling probes in later JFT - are these to be retractable?
Where do we stand with regard to the riveting -- Is there a production process in which we may expect to not see these rivets?
And with regard to the refueling probes in later JFT - are these to be retractable?
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Initially i heard it will be a retractable probe, however it seems we might get the fixed one. Those rivets actually strengthen the airframe to be able to sustain 9Gs and high AOA in intense dog fight situations. Improvement is possible but overall frame finishing is as good as blk 52s as we witnessed in Zhuhai Airshow.
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ive posted a pakdef pic of a probe a few pages earlier-- i dont know what kind of probe will be present in jft.. but i speculated it would be a retractable one atleast on the ''stealthy'' varient-- as fixed one increases rcs , as in the case of rafale fighters, in which fixed were built solely on the requirement of french airforce [dessault was against it]
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the fixed one look very ugly
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FC-1 fighter plane beyond line of sight ability is more precise than Indian Air force Soviet - 30MKI
? on March 03, 2008 07:48 modern armament
FC-1 fighter plane beyond line of sight ability is more precise than Indian Air force Soviet - 30MKI
Domestically produced West system aircraft-borne identification of friend or foe system
　　The advanced friend-or-foe identification recognition method is the diversification, but may also extract in the radar signal from we radar system the target echo eigen frequency, carries on the non-cooperation recognition. The fourth generation of fight centralism application's comprehensive electronic warfare system may also through trigger the enemy electronic countermeasure or receive the enemy radar signal, through the analysis trick recognition writing up build number, then infers the goal model and the type. The advanced friend-or-foe identification is decided at the same time by own electronic processing technology level, on the other hand is also decided by the electronic intelligence collection and the analysis level. After using the advanced friend-or-foe identification, the beyond line of sight air fight basic can obtain the safeguard. American F 116 install AN/APX 1 13 systems and the AIM 1120 guided missile systems through the promotion necessary, has obtained the beyond line of sight combat's ability, this system's potency obtains in the second Persian Gulf War and the Bosnia war manifests, is the AIM 1120 missiles obtains the success the main safeguard. Carries out air superiority mission F specially 115 C fighter aircrafts, because has not carried on this aspect the improvement, therefore many air fight victories do not like by the United States Air Force F 116 obtain. Must know that the United States Air Force once died in the Persian Gulf War the F 116 pilots is must had to not to allow to participate on own initiative the air fight, this may also explain this set of system's importance from the side.
　　A FC 1 fighter aircraft has also installed the similar advanced friend-or-foe identification, but which kind of model products not the clear this set of systems are. This system and American AN/the APX 1113 4 thin-bladed knife shape antenna is different, has three pieces, the estimate operating region and the performance can be slightly inferior. According to the usual this system's working pattern, it may choose by the pilot carries out the air traffic recognition, the goal to report that the military recognition and the military distinguish safely. The air traffic recognition is the present air force intercepts the duty the most main type, on the beforehand fighter aircraft has not established the civil control recognition channel, is very difficult to the massive civil aircraft recognition, needs to send out the fighter aircraft frequently to intercept and the visual detection. Not only this will bring for the civilian target alarms, but also easy, because the pilot and commander's tense mood will have the miss shot, no matter will be Soviet Union shoots down the South Korean Boeing 747 US to shoot down Iranian A300, this will let it internationally fall into the difficult position with politics. The advanced friend-or-foe identification may the built-in all civil control goal reply code, be possible to the civil aviation target identification accurate model and the flight, and exchanges the information or the direct relation commercial aviation control center through the data chain and the Control center carries on the blank pipe distinction. All these do not need the airplane to enter in the apparent distance, may avoid the military flight enormously to the air traffic disturbance. The goal report is carries on the compulsory signal interception recognition under the target-oriented condition to the goal one way, it can all answering signal record which radiates the goal and compared to right, usually uses to intercepts the goal in the qualitative recognition, namely provides the goal nature model which for the early warning system not yet distinguishes to recognize. The military recognition and the military safe recognition are the working patterns which in time of war uses. We knew to keep secret, in time of war fighter aircraft uses the enemy and ourselves code and the frequency and the peace period are different. The military recognition and the military safe recognition are refer to have under the resistance threat condition recognition, this will let the system use some non-conventional inquiries the triggering condition, will achieve the recognition and the determination goal threat condition goal, before this kind of recognition will often use in the attack the preparation.
　　Equips the advanced friend-or-foe identification to symbolize that FC a 1 fighter aircraft will have the beyond line of sight air fight ability, this is also Pakistani Air force urgent hope ability. It that kind of simple recognition which present Indian Air force Mig 129, Mig 2 l 193, Soviet 30MKI uses adds the R 177 missile's beyond line of sight attack capabilities to be more precise than, to be more effective. This for originally will have the disparity Pakistani Air force in the fighter plane quantity and the quality to obtain the resistance in the future the quality superiority to lay the foundation.
　　A other subsystem FC 1 navigation electricity system also includes the mechanical and electrical management computer, the radio altimeter, the automatic insturment landing system, the power source management system management system division system. Mechanical and electrical management computer system airplane on all control systems and so on hydraulic pressure, mechanical and electrical transmission with sensor and computer crossing linking, may monitor these system's movement and the condition precisely, inquires the inspection project which through the simple computer faulty recording and analyzed completes many formerly needed to open examines, not only enhanced system's reliability and the maintainability, but also strengthened the airplane life greatly. Has a few words in the aircraft maintenance: The mechanical device is not easy to wear out, but easy to repair badly. Obviously the reduction will open daily examines the project to bring the great life cycle expense advantage to the airplane.
　　The radio altimeter is airplane's commonly used equipment, mainly uses in the airplane obtaining the height above airport information. The advanced radio altimeter has the wave beam to be narrow, multi-beam, continuous wave, high gain, low emissivity power characteristic, on the one hand must provide dozens of times reaches as high as a centimeter level in each second the precision, on the other hand must guarantee the electromagnetism the compatibility and low may the survey. This is mainly to avoid by the passive electronic detection system surveying, for instance Czechoslovakia “vera” a E passive electron detection positioning system. These passive systems are often covert, will give the battle airplane to bring the very big latent threat. The automatic insturment landing system and the commercial aviation third-level microwave falls the system to be very similar blindly, is uses, in the complex meteorology, does not meet under the item of unlined upper garment landing requirement to carry on the servosystem which the measuring appliance falls blindly, may enhance the airplane to the airport climatic conditions adaptiveness.
　　The power source management system management system is one of airplane's foundation equipment, particularly the modern fighter aircraft electricity consumption grows day by day, various equipment use electricity the request to be also various. The former three generations machine use the centralism power supply management system, outputs the electrical energy the generator through the distributor, the invertor and so on to transport directly to each spot. Centralized management's advantage is easy to control and the overhaul, easy to arrange radiates, the shortcoming is the different equipment needs different outputs and so on voltage, electric current, exchange or cocurrent, when the power increases the DnN certain extent easy to form disturbs mutually. Moreover, centralism arrangement once later will break down to cause the airplane all system power supply to have the problem, this will operate to the company relies on difficulty with accepts the electric power airplane comparison, the reliable request's superimposition can cause the system weight and the volume increases rapidly.
　　A FC 1 early time uses traditional the centralized power distribution management, but has presented the power failure accident in the test flight. On final total state airplane, to strengthen electrical power system's reliability, used the distributional power distribution management system management system which the fourth generation of fighter aircraft only then used - - various equipment's power distribution dispersion arrangement, the airplane power supply has only provided solely, the stable alternating current, uses the distributor which the computer controlled to the multi-channel power supplies to carry on the management and the monitor, various equipment different used electricity the request respectively to establish an independent power source switch on the equipment. This enhanced electrical power system's reliability and the power distribution flexibility greatly, when breaks down allows to close some equipment's power supply to guarantee that the main system uses electricity the demand, the security obtains the very good safeguard.
　　Uses the digital distributional power distribution power supply design also to symbolize that the Chinese fighter aircraft technology is developing the application direction unceasingly to the new generation diligently, the new electrical power distribution system's use has consummated in the FC-l early time design the last comparatively backward place, let the overall navigation electricity level surpass the Western country third generation fighter aircraft level, basic and the third generation fighter aircraft modernization improved the later ability quite.
　　FC 1 navigation electricity system's research and development manifested our country to develop the avionics system's technical level under the commercial demand, simultaneously was also our country under the trade organization to the advanced navigation electricity system design and the balanced bold attempt. Trade organization compared to me. The tradition applies the research and development system is flexible, may apply the mature new technology massively. Because fighter aircraft's research and development time is getting more and more long, the traditional contract type management already fell behind the time, the design which on the one hand FC one 1 uses on the other hand revises the route, although presented the delay and the concrete question, but obtains finally the result is very optimistic, this has prompted a new development work management route for us.
　　As soon as a FC 1 fighter aircraft develops successfully is our country fighter aircraft profession from imitates an improvement to design the milestone which an independent design completes, it symbolizes that our country already completely grasped the third generation fighter aircraft's research and the production technology, specially completely got rid in the 1980s-90s in the avionics system aspect backward passive aspect. According to the predict that China will occupy the approximately 20% about share in the future fight flight operations electricity market, FC one 1 has lasting achievements. (full text)
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? on March 03, 2008 07:48 modern armament
FC-1 fighter plane beyond line of sight ability is more precise than Indian Air force Soviet - 30MKI
Domestically produced West system aircraft-borne identification of friend or foe system
　　The advanced friend-or-foe identification recognition method is the diversification, but may also extract in the radar signal from we radar system the target echo eigen frequency, carries on the non-cooperation recognition. The fourth generation of fight centralism application's comprehensive electronic warfare system may also through trigger the enemy electronic countermeasure or receive the enemy radar signal, through the analysis trick recognition writing up build number, then infers the goal model and the type. The advanced friend-or-foe identification is decided at the same time by own electronic processing technology level, on the other hand is also decided by the electronic intelligence collection and the analysis level. After using the advanced friend-or-foe identification, the beyond line of sight air fight basic can obtain the safeguard. American F 116 install AN/APX 1 13 systems and the AIM 1120 guided missile systems through the promotion necessary, has obtained the beyond line of sight combat's ability, this system's potency obtains in the second Persian Gulf War and the Bosnia war manifests, is the AIM 1120 missiles obtains the success the main safeguard. Carries out air superiority mission F specially 115 C fighter aircrafts, because has not carried on this aspect the improvement, therefore many air fight victories do not like by the United States Air Force F 116 obtain. Must know that the United States Air Force once died in the Persian Gulf War the F 116 pilots is must had to not to allow to participate on own initiative the air fight, this may also explain this set of system's importance from the side.
　　A FC 1 fighter aircraft has also installed the similar advanced friend-or-foe identification, but which kind of model products not the clear this set of systems are. This system and American AN/the APX 1113 4 thin-bladed knife shape antenna is different, has three pieces, the estimate operating region and the performance can be slightly inferior. According to the usual this system's working pattern, it may choose by the pilot carries out the air traffic recognition, the goal to report that the military recognition and the military distinguish safely. The air traffic recognition is the present air force intercepts the duty the most main type, on the beforehand fighter aircraft has not established the civil control recognition channel, is very difficult to the massive civil aircraft recognition, needs to send out the fighter aircraft frequently to intercept and the visual detection. Not only this will bring for the civilian target alarms, but also easy, because the pilot and commander's tense mood will have the miss shot, no matter will be Soviet Union shoots down the South Korean Boeing 747 US to shoot down Iranian A300, this will let it internationally fall into the difficult position with politics. The advanced friend-or-foe identification may the built-in all civil control goal reply code, be possible to the civil aviation target identification accurate model and the flight, and exchanges the information or the direct relation commercial aviation control center through the data chain and the Control center carries on the blank pipe distinction. All these do not need the airplane to enter in the apparent distance, may avoid the military flight enormously to the air traffic disturbance. The goal report is carries on the compulsory signal interception recognition under the target-oriented condition to the goal one way, it can all answering signal record which radiates the goal and compared to right, usually uses to intercepts the goal in the qualitative recognition, namely provides the goal nature model which for the early warning system not yet distinguishes to recognize. The military recognition and the military safe recognition are the working patterns which in time of war uses. We knew to keep secret, in time of war fighter aircraft uses the enemy and ourselves code and the frequency and the peace period are different. The military recognition and the military safe recognition are refer to have under the resistance threat condition recognition, this will let the system use some non-conventional inquiries the triggering condition, will achieve the recognition and the determination goal threat condition goal, before this kind of recognition will often use in the attack the preparation.
　　Equips the advanced friend-or-foe identification to symbolize that FC a 1 fighter aircraft will have the beyond line of sight air fight ability, this is also Pakistani Air force urgent hope ability. It that kind of simple recognition which present Indian Air force Mig 129, Mig 2 l 193, Soviet 30MKI uses adds the R 177 missile's beyond line of sight attack capabilities to be more precise than, to be more effective. This for originally will have the disparity Pakistani Air force in the fighter plane quantity and the quality to obtain the resistance in the future the quality superiority to lay the foundation.
　　A other subsystem FC 1 navigation electricity system also includes the mechanical and electrical management computer, the radio altimeter, the automatic insturment landing system, the power source management system management system division system. Mechanical and electrical management computer system airplane on all control systems and so on hydraulic pressure, mechanical and electrical transmission with sensor and computer crossing linking, may monitor these system's movement and the condition precisely, inquires the inspection project which through the simple computer faulty recording and analyzed completes many formerly needed to open examines, not only enhanced system's reliability and the maintainability, but also strengthened the airplane life greatly. Has a few words in the aircraft maintenance: The mechanical device is not easy to wear out, but easy to repair badly. Obviously the reduction will open daily examines the project to bring the great life cycle expense advantage to the airplane.
　　The radio altimeter is airplane's commonly used equipment, mainly uses in the airplane obtaining the height above airport information. The advanced radio altimeter has the wave beam to be narrow, multi-beam, continuous wave, high gain, low emissivity power characteristic, on the one hand must provide dozens of times reaches as high as a centimeter level in each second the precision, on the other hand must guarantee the electromagnetism the compatibility and low may the survey. This is mainly to avoid by the passive electronic detection system surveying, for instance Czechoslovakia “vera” a E passive electron detection positioning system. These passive systems are often covert, will give the battle airplane to bring the very big latent threat. The automatic insturment landing system and the commercial aviation third-level microwave falls the system to be very similar blindly, is uses, in the complex meteorology, does not meet under the item of unlined upper garment landing requirement to carry on the servosystem which the measuring appliance falls blindly, may enhance the airplane to the airport climatic conditions adaptiveness.
　　The power source management system management system is one of airplane's foundation equipment, particularly the modern fighter aircraft electricity consumption grows day by day, various equipment use electricity the request to be also various. The former three generations machine use the centralism power supply management system, outputs the electrical energy the generator through the distributor, the invertor and so on to transport directly to each spot. Centralized management's advantage is easy to control and the overhaul, easy to arrange radiates, the shortcoming is the different equipment needs different outputs and so on voltage, electric current, exchange or cocurrent, when the power increases the DnN certain extent easy to form disturbs mutually. Moreover, centralism arrangement once later will break down to cause the airplane all system power supply to have the problem, this will operate to the company relies on difficulty with accepts the electric power airplane comparison, the reliable request's superimposition can cause the system weight and the volume increases rapidly.
　　A FC 1 early time uses traditional the centralized power distribution management, but has presented the power failure accident in the test flight. On final total state airplane, to strengthen electrical power system's reliability, used the distributional power distribution management system management system which the fourth generation of fighter aircraft only then used - - various equipment's power distribution dispersion arrangement, the airplane power supply has only provided solely, the stable alternating current, uses the distributor which the computer controlled to the multi-channel power supplies to carry on the management and the monitor, various equipment different used electricity the request respectively to establish an independent power source switch on the equipment. This enhanced electrical power system's reliability and the power distribution flexibility greatly, when breaks down allows to close some equipment's power supply to guarantee that the main system uses electricity the demand, the security obtains the very good safeguard.
　　Uses the digital distributional power distribution power supply design also to symbolize that the Chinese fighter aircraft technology is developing the application direction unceasingly to the new generation diligently, the new electrical power distribution system's use has consummated in the FC-l early time design the last comparatively backward place, let the overall navigation electricity level surpass the Western country third generation fighter aircraft level, basic and the third generation fighter aircraft modernization improved the later ability quite.
　　FC 1 navigation electricity system's research and development manifested our country to develop the avionics system's technical level under the commercial demand, simultaneously was also our country under the trade organization to the advanced navigation electricity system design and the balanced bold attempt. Trade organization compared to me. The tradition applies the research and development system is flexible, may apply the mature new technology massively. Because fighter aircraft's research and development time is getting more and more long, the traditional contract type management already fell behind the time, the design which on the one hand FC one 1 uses on the other hand revises the route, although presented the delay and the concrete question, but obtains finally the result is very optimistic, this has prompted a new development work management route for us.
　　As soon as a FC 1 fighter aircraft develops successfully is our country fighter aircraft profession from imitates an improvement to design the milestone which an independent design completes, it symbolizes that our country already completely grasped the third generation fighter aircraft's research and the production technology, specially completely got rid in the 1980s-90s in the avionics system aspect backward passive aspect. According to the predict that China will occupy the approximately 20% about share in the future fight flight operations electricity market, FC one 1 has lasting achievements. (full text)
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