JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[owais.usmani]

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[DaRk WaVe]

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What are they telling about the missile? Will some translate that part...

 

[hataf]

worth million thanks

thanks wangrong

i will be personally personally great full if you able to put JF-17 firing SD-10

 

[hataf]

What are they telling about the missile? Will some translate that part...

only Chinese brother can

 

[bc040400065]

International Debut for the Pakistani Thunders
July 20, 2010 at 2:33 pm

The Pakistani Air Force new JF-17 Thunder, developed and produced by the Chinese company Chengdu Aerospace Company (CAC) is here at Farnborough for the first time. The Thunder is displayed for the first time at an international airshow. Serial production JF-17 for the Pakistani Air Force – the PAF has a requirement for about 250 aircraft to assembled in Pakistan until 2025, part of which will be configured as ‘stealthy 5th Generation’ fighters.

The first locally assembled JF-17 was handed over to the Pakistani Air Force in 2009, two years after the first aircraft was delivered from China. The two aircraft at Farnborough are from the PAF No. 26 ‘Black Spiders’ squadron, which stood up earlier in 2010 (February 2010). The aircraft were shown here with typical weapons, including air to air missiles, C-802A anti-ship missile, L-6 stand-off gliding bomb, KG300G Airborne Self-Protection Jamming Pod. WMD-7 Day/Night Targeting POD.

International Debut for the Pakistani Thunders - Defense-Update Newscast

 

[Guynextdoor]

This is the missile range, not radar's range, aircraft first gets detected by the radar, once it comes within the missile range, the missile is launched, which is guided by the aircraft till it reaches at 30KM or so range, from where the missile's own active radar seeker detects the target and zooms onto it, even then the aircraft radar can provide it with location to where search or head towards the target.

MKI is a big target, which will be detected at atleast 100+KM range by the JF-17s, yeah MKIs radar range is much more, but the lesser the RCS of the aircraft, lesser would be the range at which JF-17 can get detected, and we don't know the RCS for JF-17, thus we can't say at what range the MKIs radar will detect it, thus for now its just imaginative on which will detect at what range and who will have the first chance to fire its missile, even the AEW&C is compatible with BVR missiles can guide the missile towards its target, while the launching platform can take a turn and make a run to safe itself from incoming missiles from enemy aircraft.

So all speculation for now, who will be the hunter and who will get hunted.

The problem needn't be with JF 17's RCS, external weapons could give it away even if the platform itself is low RCS. Hence MKI might enjoy a better advantage.

 

[SQ8]

The problem needn't be with JF 17's RCS, external weapons could give it away even if the platform itself is low RCS. Hence MKI might enjoy a better advantage.

They would but so would the MKI's, unless that weapons bay tested for it becomes a reality, nothing will change the fact that the MKI will be seen first. Also a lot depends on what the aircraft choses to show, Considering a head on engagement the frontal RCS of an aircraft will still make a great contribution whether there are weapons out there or not.
What the actual equation is though, is if the JF can fire a weapon at the MKI before it is seen itself.. and if that weapons can be fired before the MKI is able to get a shot off.

 

[Guynextdoor]

They would but so would the MKI's, unless that weapons bay tested for it becomes a reality, nothing will change the fact that the MKI will be seen first. Also a lot depends on what the aircraft choses to show, Considering a head on engagement the frontal RCS of an aircraft will still make a great contribution whether there are weapons out there or not.
What the actual equation is though, is if the JF can fire a weapon at the MKI before it is seen itself.. and if that weapons can be fired before the MKI is able to get a shot off.

That will be a function of the Radar's range. Most importantly, Su always had a high RCS and we knew that even when we inducted it. The Su has a different design philiosophy...not entirely RCS based...bigger, meaner & badder- You have a radar and mine is better, you have something mine will be better. Therefore the lesser emphasis on the RCS and higher emphasis on technology and package. One requirement of this philiosophy is to continuously upgrade the package to keep the edge (which we seem to be doing). Your argument is that JF 17 will not be dected because it is SMALL. I would more accurately term it as SMALLER to MKI because JF 17 isn't THAT small isn't it? I mean you want it almost an MRCA type jet. Sure there's no way MKI won't be picked out (it isn't bothered) but speculating that MKI will not pick JF 17 out FIRST IF it has a longer range radar isn't gonna cut it. For that you'll have to keep a close watch on the upgrades.

 

[a1b2c145]

only Chinese brother can

it says this is the FC-1 made by China and pakistan coming to Farnborough air show for the first time. FC-1 has a good performence of loading, short take-off and landing, and maneuverability. But it does not say anything related to missiles

 

[a1b2c145]

WMD-7:

SD-10A:

C-802A：

Matained by CAC:

 

[huzihaidao12]

http://video.sina.com.cn/p/mil/v/2010-07-21/093961066607.html#35824438

Video from sina.com

 

[SQ8]

That will be a function of the Radar's range. Most importantly, Su always had a high RCS and we knew that even when we inducted it. The Su has a different design philiosophy...not entirely RCS based...bigger, meaner & badder- You have a radar and mine is better, you have something mine will be better. Therefore the lesser emphasis on the RCS and higher emphasis on technology and package. One requirement of this philiosophy is to continuously upgrade the package to keep the edge (which we seem to be doing). Your argument is that JF 17 will not be dected because it is SMALL. I would more accurately term it as SMALLER to MKI because JF 17 isn't THAT small isn't it? I mean you want it almost an MRCA type jet. Sure there's no way MKI won't be picked out (it isn't bothered) but speculating that MKI will not pick JF 17 out FIRST IF it has a longer range radar isn't gonna cut it. For that you'll have to keep a close watch on the upgrades.

I dont see where my argument leads to the Jf-17 not being detected, your own imagination perhaps??
If you read my post line by line you'll see the paragraph describes as to how the Thunder's lower frontal RCS may contribute to its ability to close enough to pick out the MKI before it is picked up itself..a speculation by any standards.. now if your argument of bigger badder etc etc.. comes to mind, then we might as well just look at the B-1R concept, it can pick a fighter sized target at 450 to 500 km + and engage with about 25 to 30 amraams available to it. And it has the largest possible jammer and its even a little stealthy.. thus by your logic we all should just buy Missile firing Awacs..and fighters will all be obsolete then.
And yes speculations aside MKI bachan is god..yes we all agree.. happy now

 

[hataf]

i have found this on rupee news

i don't know the credibility but if its true than

Despite Bharati propoganda, there is no issue of getting RD-93 engines from Russia. The successful trials of WS-13 have already happened last year, and there are JF-17 Thunder prototypes flying with WS-13s. Pakistan is also building a version of WS-13 which would be totally indigenous. The JF-17 Thunder will be built in blocks of 50

JF-17 Rupee News

 

[SBD-3]

No its not SD-10

its a PL-9 WWRAAM

 

[SBD-3]

The problem needn't be with JF 17's RCS, external weapons could give it away even if the platform itself is low RCS. Hence MKI might enjoy a better advantage.

hahaha....hallarious...do you think a designer designs an aircraft to be stealthy while not carrying weapons?.....is this the vintage WWI era where the only weapon is machine gun?....except Raptor and JSF i dont see any aircraft carrying weapons internally at the moment (keeping delta dart and Pak-FA aside)....so do you think that MKI will yield the same 15 M rcs while full load....I don't know honestly that whether reported RCS figure is with full weapons load of lone airframe...but if JFT is at disadvantage, MKI is at a greater disadvantage as for strike role it would need more ammo than JFT (which would only be using A2A for interception) so you can expect much greater RCS for MKI than for JFT)