JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 3]

[MZUBAIR]

With this Ratio, we will get 40 JF-17 till the end of 2010. (Avg production is 30 units per annum)

 

[SBD-3]

With this Ratio, we will get 40 JF-17 till the end of 2010. (Avg production is 30 units per annum)

remember we will have 200 to 250 Thunders by 2015... (Bl 2 and Bl 3)
then we will focus on a new platform ( most likely next level FC-20)

 

[truepakistani17]

yes it is a PS pic as far as my understanding in considered.
infact it is only its colour that is changed and rest of the plane (design) is same as the original.

 

[fatman17]

ASIA PACIFIC
Date Posted: 20-Nov-2009

Jane's Defence Weekly

Pakistan unveils first domestically assembled JF-17

Farhan Bokhari JDW Correspondent - Islamabad

Key Points
The first Pakistan-assembled JF-17 is due to be formally unveiled on 23 November

The JF-17 and J-10 programmes are now the "centrepiece of ... the PAF's future development"


The first fully Pakistan-assembled JF-17 aircraft, built in collaboration in China, is scheduled to be formally unveiled on 23 November - almost two decades after Islamabad and Beijing agreed to jointly build a fighter.

According to officials from the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), up to 250 examples of the JF-17 (also known as the FC-1 or 'Thunder') will be inducted into the air force in the next six to eight years, giving the aircraft a key position as the main second-line fighter to replace older Chinese F-7 fighters and A-5 ground attack aircraft. The PAF's older French-built Mirage IIIs and Mirage Vs are also planned to be phased out.

The PAF currently operates 45 F-16A and B models, mostly aircraft sold by the US in the 1980s. Last month the first of 18 F-16C and D models, currently on order from the PAF, formally rolled out in the US.

In a related development in mid-November it was revealed that Pakistan had finally reached an understanding with China for Beijing to sell Pakistan at least 36 of its J-10 fighters. On 18 November a PAF official told Jane's that the technical negotiations for the J-10 were complete and that commercial negotiations for a final price "are in the concluding stage".

On 20 November a Pakistani government official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity told Jane's that the two JF-17 and J-10 programmes are now the "centrepiece of our strategy on the PAF's future development".

The JF-17, the unveiling of which was scheduled to take place at the PAF-run Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) north of Islamabad, joins the eight JF-17s built in China and delivered to the PAF in 2008.

Between December and June 2010 the PAF is understood to be looking to induct eight to 10 more JF-17s to form the PAF's first full squadron of the type.

Western observers of the PAF in Islamabad said the JF-17's launch will probably be followed by Pakistan seeking to test a variety of Chinese munitions and avionics to fit both the JF-17 and the J-10. These developments are expected to increase the PAF's reliance on China as the primary source of its military hardware.

"In the next few years, the Chinese influence on the PAF will deepen significantly," said one Western defence official. "While the PAF will still be quite keen to receive US equipment wherever possible, its reliance on China is bound to grow."

China and Pakistan first began work on a fighter in 1990 when the US imposed sanctions on the latter in relation to Islamabad's nuclear weapon programme.

After the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks brought Pakistan in from the cold as a US ally in the 'global war on terror', the US administration of former president George W Bush lifted restrictions on military sales to Islamabad and allowed the sale of new F-16s to Pakistan.

Since 2001 Pakistan has received 14 older F-16s, which were declared as excess defence articles (EDAs) by the US. Under Pakistan's status as a non-NATO US ally, it has the privilege of receiving EDAs free of cost, although it must pay for upgrades.

In addition to the new F-16s on order, Pakistan and the US are currently also negotiating for Islamabad to receive up to 15 additional older F-16s declared EDAs by the US Air Force.

 

[fatman17]

45+15(under negotiation)+18(blk52)+18(option) gives a potent force of 96 F-16s in 6 sqdns inclucing a OCU by end 2011.

 

[Kompromat]

45+15(under negotiation)+18(blk52)+18(option) gives a potent force of 96 F-16s in 6 sqdns inclucing a OCU by end 2011.

I am sorry sir i could not understand about those 15 F-16's under negotiations , what are they , never heard about them before

Please explain if you can..

regards:

 

[DaRk WaVe]

45+15(under negotiation)+18(blk52)+18(option) gives a potent force of 96 F-16s in 6 sqdns inclucing a OCU by end 2011.

even if we dont Count 18 optional Ones number of F-16s are all right

 

[DaRk WaVe]

I am sorry sir i could not understand about those 15 F-16's under negotiations , what are they , never heard about them before

Please explain if you can..

regards:

Since 2001 Pakistan has received 14 older F-16s, which were declared as excess defence articles (EDAs) by the US. Under Pakistan's status as a non-NATO US ally, it has the privilege of receiving EDAs free of cost, although it must pay for upgrades.

In addition to the new F-16s on order, Pakistan and the US are currently also negotiating for Islamabad to receive up to 15 additional older F-16s declared EDAs by the US Air Force.

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[Kompromat]

i was just thinking that , since MIG-21 has been built in sheer numbers and there are many countries operating the bird in different variants , including pakisan and many african and arab states.

Should Pakistan proceed with aquiring orders to sale the Thunder as an alternative ? eg: Libyan airforce has to buy new aircrafts to phase out their Mig-23's which are about 150 jets, they are in process to buy about a squadron of Rafales but they still need hunreds of Jets to Phase out their Mig-23's , Mirage F-1's and sukoi's .

Thunder with its new upgrades would be a very good option for many countries , As after 50 aircrafts , ws-13 engine RD93B ,New Radar ,IRST,decrasing weight, imporving thurst to weight ratio and in fligh refuling probes.etc would be a part of it .The main feature is its cost effeciveness and PAF's Reputition in these states as this bird has been tailored for meeting PAF's specific needs.

And i firmly believe that if Pakistan gets Orders in sheer numbers as Thunder has been considerd by nearly 18 countries for purchases , including Zimbabwe , Nigeria , Azarbijan , Eygpt,Sudan ,BD,there is nothing wrong with setting up an extended Development facility it will bring in alot of money which can be used back into the project to Bring out an all new more lethal 4.5gen Variant of the Thunder.

what do you guys think?

 

[Kompromat]

even if we dont Count 18 optional Ones number of F-16s are all right

i am not worried about the Numbers at the moment , just thinking how tempting this thing looks

 

[wangrong]

i think Eygpt will buy JF-17's Production-line like K8

 

[pakpower]

even if we dont Count 18 optional Ones number of F-16s are all right

What the hell is this in the top 1st picture in this post which model is this?

 

[DaRk WaVe]

What the hell is this in the top 1st picture in this post which model is this?

Block 52 with CFTs (conformal Fuel Tanks)

 

[pakpower]

Block 52 with CFTs (conformal Fuel Tanks)

Is PAF getting the same conformal fuel tanks with their latest block 52 falcons ?. Do you have any info on that ?.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Is PAF getting the same conformal fuel tanks with their latest block 52 falcons ?. Do you have any info on that ?.

yes we are also getting them...

Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs)​

Conformal Fuel Tanks (CFTs) are additional fuel tanks fitted closely to the profile of an aircraft which extend either the range or "time on station" of the aircraft, with little aerodynamic penalty compared to the same fuel capacity carried in external "drop tanks".

Conformal fuel tanks have the disadvantage that, unlike drop tanks, they cannot be discarded when empty. This is because conformal tanks are "plumbed" into the aircraft, and can only be removed on the ground. Thus, when the CFTs are empty, the aircraft continues to suffer the same aerodynamic penalty, with no benefit.
CFTs also have the advantages of not significantly increasing an aircraft's radar cross-section, and allowing a higher maximum speed than drop tanks.