JF-17 Thunder Destroys Targets With Live Ammunition In Exercise

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

Sir,

What kind of answers is that----. I did not have to prove anything right---I made those comments from what I had learnt over the years---and those comments were made on the go---just like someone would say on a sunny day ' it is going to be a hot day today'---some of you guys took it to heart and made a big issue out of it---even the super star air force man came out swinging with his sword---the surprise was on me---and I was saying---'what are you guys talking about'---what pis-sed me off was the way you guys ganged up on me---now I want you people to offer a sincere apology and terminate those super mods from their position or they should resign---is there anything wrong with that.

You people's assessments were based on poor knowledge about the aircraft design and production, manufacture, integration, operation and deployment.

Now seeing what the aircraft is capable of and what it has achieved so far----again it shows that the PAF has been sleeping at its job---it has not procured and aircraft that is the need of the hour but rather and aircraft for some totally different purpose.

The security of pakistan needed an air dominance all weather fighter aircraft 10 years ago----and 10 years later what PAF has given pakistan is a ground strike aircraft which is still being tested and BVR---still in the making.

The problem with this scenario is that the enemy's air dominance fighters and defencive missile batteries would make a mince meat out this aircraft---because PAF has hardly any air superiority fighters to give air cover.

brother u are getting extra pessimistic,
come on jf-17 is very potent fighter and advance enough to counter indians.
for americans even china and russia are nothing at the moment

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Where does it show our jet of contention - JF17, firing the damn missile.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

A year ago the Pakistani army began a military process against taliban, I've thought we going to see the jf-17 thundering in the sky but what a fail???!!! now I read that thunder just start working??? why it took them all that long.

because while significant, PAF's role hasn't been dominant....in the interests of avoiding collateral damage.

our side understands how counter-productive collateral damage is and we want to avoid it at all costs. When it's established that civilians are not nearby and that air support is required, then they call in PAF -- which can use Thunders when it sees it as appropriate

 

[DARKY]

sorry..
we dont advertise baby steps.

Moreover.. what is comparable cost of a gravity bomb with lets say a precision one?

The JF-17 began weapons integration in 2007..
Its 2012 now.
Till 2010.. JF-17's were concentrated at Kamra.. and each produced aircraft was working up on its flight testing.. and concurrent changes that were being tested with the fleet.

The two prototypes Pt-04 and Pt-06 along with the first Initial production aircraft were/are in China for weapons testing and integration since the support staff from the weapons manufactures were closer and able to provide quicker feedback and support to the T&E team there..
Weapons to be used on the JF-17 are still mainly Chinese..
So all of the testing when it came to the PL-5 series, SD-10.. C-802 and 803.. Lt-2 etc were carried out in China.
Meanwhile.. due to the lack of a stock of its weaponry being stocked here in Pakistan (apart from the 9L) ..the JF-17's in Pakistan were used to verify further flight parameters..
and thanks to a built in training weapons sim.. build up on tactics and ACT performance.

Today.. the ones at PWR are ADA ready with 9L.. while the SD-10 readies for mass production.

As for any questions arising on why if the JF-17's were not used for the intercept missions in the Abt incident.. The F-16 in PAF use is a more mature platform while the JF-17 is still being worked up.
When the GBU-28 was ready.. the F-15E was the most capable platform to take the weapon to war in GW-I.. however.. due to the F-111 being much more mature in USAF service.. it carried out the attack with the weapon for the first time.

sums up the discussion.
And Verifies the point raised by Poster "MastanKhan" about the time taken to fully Integrate a platform near its planned capability in the Force.
Would expect JF-17 to be a true muti-role only by 2013-14 under PAF and not some Chinese Laboratory.

 

[SQ8]

sums up the discussion.
And Verifies the point raised by Poster "MastanKhan" about the time taken to fully Integrate a platform near its planned capability in the Force.
Would expect JF-17 to be a true muti-role only by 2013-14 under PAF and not some Chinese Laboratory.

Yes.. but not at the pessimistic timescale..nor the devalued assessment.
As for the last line.. Ill bet my modship that you would be back here again even if it is still operational and flying perfect to find excuses to deride it... spare the us the fake logic.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir

respectfully..
your answer doesnt include anything to do with design and testing..but rather based on your old PoV's and opinions.
What gauge do you give on who is qualified or not?
I am a communications engineer who used to work on Texas Instruments processors till about two months ago.
The guy across me was still working on final tweaks on my last project which was the C4I system for the PAF...
Now if that guy says something about the Radars involved and protocols which is an updated version of what I heard..
Id believe him..

However if a guy who is a civil engineer working on the Islamabad motorway comes in and tells me stuff on the Radar and protocols that contradict with what I know.. Id be very very skeptical.

You are pursuing a personal agenda.. not a professional one.
Why should anyone of those people that ganged up on what you stated WHICH was wrong in quite a few ways apologize?

Why should I take your word over what I know from quite literally the horse's mouth?
Nobody is overstating the aircrafts abilities.. revealing more than what is publicly discernible through other means...or saying that the aircraft is capable of taking on the NCC-1701 Enterprise of the United Federation of planets.

I have always respected your opinions and considered you my mentor during my initial time here.
But you are pursuing a personal agenda here which has NOTHING to do with the topic .. and that is plain enough to see.

Thank you.

Oscar,

You are taking it farther than it needs to go----sarcasm aside----it is again being silly to say--will it take the uss enterprise---.

You can believe whomsoever you want to---but the JF 17 will not be fully integrated 7--10 years from its production----. That is the standard gestation period---plus the setback that the paf had with france----it hurt them bad---regardless what they say.

 

[SQ8]

Oscar,

You are taking it farther than it needs to go----sarcasm aside----it is again being silly to say--will it take the uss enterprise---.

You can believe whomsoever you want to---but the JF 17 will not be fully integrated 7--10 years from its production----. That is the standard gestation period---plus the setback that the paf had with france----it hurt them bad---regardless what they say.

Let time be the judge of that..instead of "standards"

 

[Donatello]

I don't think you seniors need to fight like this.

Maturing of a combat platform can be seen in different ways.........what if JF-17 had to inctercept a bogie on it's first day? Or it had to wait 10 years before it saw combat action? I mean, looking at the war we are in, JF-17s can be deployed for Air to Ground roles only. Yes, during the Afghan war, when Soviet jets would intrude, we could test our shiny new F-16s and F-6s, but hey today, who are we gonna shoot down?

JF-17 has been tested with various weapons and the progress is ongoing for the same.

 

[Insaan]

Where does it show our jet of contention - JF17, firing the damn missile.

Here it is.
Do you have something to say now?

 

[MastanKhan]

Let time be the judge of that..instead of "standards"

Thank you.

 

[fd24]

watch from 1.05, to witness JF-17 successfully firing air to air missiles . !!! - and enjoy gentleman



JF-17 firing missile..flv - YouTube

 

[SQ8]

Hey.. did anybody notice that the missle fired had no front fins?
Researchers.. any clue to what are we looking at?

 

[Last Hope]

Hey.. did anybody notice that the missle fired had no front fins?
Researchers.. any clue to what are we looking at?

Oscar,

The missile fired was a PL-5EII, which was integrated and tested in mid 2010.
PL-5E has a weight of 83KG, diameter of 0.127m and length of 2.893m.
It has a warhead of 6kg and is infrared/laser proximity seeker.
PL-5E has a shorter wingspan than other PL-5 (about 0.617m over 0.657m).
It has range of 500m to 18 Km

PL-5EII on JF-17.

PL-5EII.

Different versions of PL-5E.

'Tested version' from the clip.

 

[DARKY]

Yes.. but not at the pessimistic timescale..nor the devalued assessment.
As for the last line.. Ill bet my modship that you would be back here again even if it is still operational and flying perfect to find excuses to deride it... spare the us the fake logic.

Okay No need to bet anything.... not good at winning bets.
Its good for you and me If its operational and flying perfect.