JF-17 Thunder Destroys Targets With Live Ammunition In Exercise

[Last Hope]

08-108 the leader in the formation, is Squadron Leader Mohammed Hussain (Shaheed) who embraced martyrdom when his JF-17 crashed, due to bird hit on the test flight.

 

[DARKY]

I dont understand how its the first time with squadrons..

Have a look at this:

Was any Targeting pod tested ?
Or bombs dropped with some guidance ?.. like the LITENING targeting pods and the LANTIRN used on F-16....
Or just another Dumb bomb drop test as shown in the photo ?

 

[aamerjamal]

Was any Targeting pod tested ?
Or bombs dropped with some guidance ?.. like the LITENING targeting pods and the LANTIRN used on F-16....
Or just another Dumb bomb drop test as shown in the photo ?

check the jf-17 thunder info thread u will find all the information, btw pics available for missiles, guided missiles and anti-ship missile.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Was any Targeting pod tested ?
Or bombs dropped with some guidance ?.. like the LITENING targeting pods and the LANTIRN used on F-16....
Or just another Dumb bomb drop test as shown in the photo ?

These were not dumb but ALIVE bombs... though they belong to Low Drag General Purpose (LDGP) family of MK-80 bombs.( unguided)

 

[mughaljee]

According to starting post.
When JF-17 starting night flight testing schedule ?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

So night time flying has yet to commence---. So this aicraft is still not fully integrated---where are my critics now!!!!!

Superstars----I told you people---it would take 5---10 years---would 'some' of you Super mods who remember their comments apologize---don't bother---and also a very senior air force personale as well---just forget it.

It will be another 3 to 5 years to make something out of this aircraft----and that is for the ground strike and night missions--- for combat BVR----awhile---.

Enjoy the progress people---it always takes time and patience----.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Hi,

So night time flying has yet to commence---. So this aicraft is still not fully integrated---where are my critics now!!!!!

Superstars----I told you people---it would take 5---10 years---would 'some' of you Super mods who remember their comments apologize---don't bother---and also a very senior air force personale as well---just forget it.

It will be another 3 to 5 years to make something out of this aircraft----and that is for the ground strike and night missions---the for air combat BVR----awhile---.

Enjoy the progress people---it always takes time and patience----.

You have a valid point there mate.

But problem here is that we don't know what has been tested, exactly. Only thing confirmed so far is that it was a squadron level exercise. So, we don't know for sure if it is weapon testing or weapon integration approval .... More details will have to be found before analyzing it in black and white.

 

[DARKY]

Forget your pill today? Old man?
Stop making a fool of yourself PLEASE!!

What a Troll.... do you have anything to counter his queries ?
What he said is perfectly normal... It takes 4-5 years to fully integrate a plane and bring it to near best of its capability.
Where are BVR firing exercises ?.. Heat seeking missile firing exercises in WVR ?... Mock combat in Air-Air mode ?... Precision guided bombs and munition being dropped ?... TV guidance.. ?
Happening secretly.. undercover.... then why show this... gravity bomb dropping exercises.

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

So night time flying has yet to commence---. So this aicraft is still not fully integrated---where are my critics now!!!!!

Superstars----I told you people---it would take 5---10 years---would 'some' of you Super mods who remember their comments apologize---don't bother---and also a very senior air force personale as well---just forget it.

It will be another 3 to 5 years to make something out of this aircraft----and that is for the ground strike and night missions---the for air combat BVR----awhile---.

Enjoy the progress people---it always takes time and patience----.

respectfully..
I think Ill stick to the comments of the Project director of the JF-17 program rather than somebody who is only out to prove himself right after he looks at a picture taken for a magazine after a visit in 2010 and thinks that is enough proof for his claims.
Your timeline of 5-7 years has been in progress since 2008.. in case you are still wondering
Thank you.

What a Troll.... do you have anything to counter his queries ?
What he said is perfectly normal... It takes 4-5 years to fully integrate a plane and bring it to near best of its capability.
Where are BVR firing exercises ?.. Heat seeking missile firing exercises in WVR ?... Mock combat in Air-Air mode ?... Precision guided bombs and munition being dropped ?... TV guidance.. ?
Happening secretly.. undercover.... then why show this... gravity bomb dropping exercises.

sorry..
we dont advertise baby steps.

Moreover.. what is comparable cost of a gravity bomb with lets say a precision one?

The JF-17 began weapons integration in 2007..
Its 2012 now.
Till 2010.. JF-17's were concentrated at Kamra.. and each produced aircraft was working up on its flight testing.. and concurrent changes that were being tested with the fleet.

The two prototypes Pt-04 and Pt-06 along with the first Initial production aircraft were/are in China for weapons testing and integration since the support staff from the weapons manufactures were closer and able to provide quicker feedback and support to the T&E team there..
Weapons to be used on the JF-17 are still mainly Chinese..
So all of the testing when it came to the PL-5 series, SD-10.. C-802 and 803.. Lt-2 etc were carried out in China.
Meanwhile.. due to the lack of a stock of its weaponry being stocked here in Pakistan (apart from the 9L) ..the JF-17's in Pakistan were used to verify further flight parameters..
and thanks to a built in training weapons sim.. build up on tactics and ACT performance.

Today.. the ones at PWR are ADA ready with 9L.. while the SD-10 readies for mass production.

As for any questions arising on why if the JF-17's were not used for the intercept missions in the Abt incident.. The F-16 in PAF use is a more mature platform while the JF-17 is still being worked up.
When the GBU-28 was ready.. the F-15E was the most capable platform to take the weapon to war in GW-I.. however.. due to the F-111 being much more mature in USAF service.. it carried out the attack with the weapon for the first time.

 

[Black Widow]

According to starting post.
When JF-17 starting night flight testing schedule ?

what! fc1 is not night operation capable? how paf inducted it?


can some one confirm it?

 

[SQ8]

what! fc1 is not night operation capable? how paf inducted it?


can some one confirm it?

According to the first post which considers the word of a unknown Pakistan urdu newspaper talking about defense matters as gospel..
no it has not...according to my own sources which I do consider gospel as there is NO one who would know more about the jet then them(it like saying the project manager of GM's Volt does not know about the Volt).. it is All-weather, Day-night ready with WVR,BVR and dumb weapons cleared for combat use.
What the article in urdu was trying to say is that 40 fighters are now Combat ready with weapons.
Which in itself is misleading as all of these aircraft are not operationally deployed at Bases ..Only those at Peshawar are.

 

[MastanKhan]

respectfully..
I think Ill stick to the comments of the Project director of the JF-17 program rather than somebody who is only out to prove himself right after he looks at a picture taken for a magazine after a visit in 2010 and thinks that is enough proof for his claims
Thank you.



sorry..
we dont advertise baby steps.

Moreover.. what is comparable cost of a gravity bomb with lets say a precision one?

Sir,

What kind of answers is that----. I did not have to prove anything right---I made those comments from what I had learnt over the years---and those comments were made on the go---just like someone would say on a sunny day ' it is going to be a hot day today'---some of you guys took it to heart and made a big issue out of it---even the super star air force man came out swinging with his sword---the surprise was on me---and I was saying---'what are you guys talking about'---what pis-sed me off was the way you guys ganged up on me---now I want you people to offer a sincere apology and terminate those super mods from their position or they should resign---is there anything wrong with that.

You people's assessments were based on poor knowledge about the aircraft design and production, manufacture, integration, operation and deployment.

Now seeing what the aircraft is capable of and what it has achieved so far----again it shows that the PAF has been sleeping at its job---it has not procured and aircraft that is the need of the hour but rather and aircraft for some totally different purpose.

The security of pakistan needed an air dominance all weather fighter aircraft 10 years ago----and 10 years later what PAF has given pakistan is a ground strike aircraft which is still being tested and BVR---still in the making.

The problem with this scenario is that the enemy's air dominance fighters and defencive missile batteries would make a mince meat out this aircraft---because PAF has hardly any air superiority fighters to give air cover.

 

[MastanKhan]

Forget your pill today? Old man?
Stop making a fool of yourself PLEASE!!

Hi,

It happens----some days are better than the others---. When you get to my age---and when you see your young and dear ones keep on doing the same stupid things over and over, time and again, going around acting like ******** ( can I say that ) and you keep telling them otherwise, and then you wil act the same way as I do, come say Hi to me----it is very natural, because you care for them and want to share things with them that the world knows to be different and you don't want them to make a fool of themselves all over all the time.

That is what it is all about---. Other than that what difference does it make to me---I don't live in pakistan---I rarely ever visit pakistan----twice in 30 years---maybe I will go take my pill----

 

[SQ8]

Sir,

What kind of answers is that----. I did not have to prove anything right---I made those comments from what I had learnt over the years---and those comments were made on the go---just like someone would say on a sunny day ' it is going to be a hot day today'---some of you guys took it to heart and made a big issue out of it---even the super star air force man came out swinging with his sword---the surprise was on me---and I was saying---'what are you guys talking about'---what pis-sed me off was the way you guys ganged up on me---now I want you people to offer a sincere apology and terminate those super mods from their position or they should resign---is there anything wrong with that.

You people's assessments were based on poor knowledge about the aircraft design and production, manufacture, integration, operation and deployment.

Now seeing what the aircraft is capable of and what it has achieved so far----again it shows that the PAF has been sleeping at its job---it has not procured and aircraft that is the need of the hour but rather and aircraft for some totally different purpose.

The security of pakistan needed an air dominance all weather fighter aircraft 10 years ago----and 10 years later what PAF has given pakistan is a ground strike aircraft which is still being tested and BVR---still in the making.

The problem with this scenario is that the enemy's air dominance fighters and defencive missile batteries would make a mince meat out this aircraft---because PAF has hardly any air superiority fighters to give air cover.

Sir

respectfully..
your answer doesnt include anything to do with design and testing..but rather based on your old PoV's and opinions.
What gauge do you give on who is qualified or not?
I am a communications engineer who used to work on Texas Instruments processors till about two months ago.
The guy across me was still working on final tweaks on my last project which was the C4I system for the PAF...
Now if that guy says something about the Radars involved and protocols which is an updated version of what I heard..
Id believe him..

However if a guy who is a civil engineer working on the Islamabad motorway comes in and tells me stuff on the Radar and protocols that contradict with what I know.. Id be very very skeptical.

You are pursuing a personal agenda.. not a professional one.
Why should anyone of those people that ganged up on what you stated WHICH was wrong in quite a few ways apologize?

Why should I take your word over what I know from quite literally the horse's mouth?
Nobody is overstating the aircrafts abilities.. revealing more than what is publicly discernible through other means...or saying that the aircraft is capable of taking on the NCC-1701 Enterprise of the United Federation of planets.

I have always respected your opinions and considered you my mentor during my initial time here.
But you are pursuing a personal agenda here which has NOTHING to do with the topic .. and that is plain enough to see.

Thank you.

 

[PakShaheen79]

I think looking at the time period Thunder has spent in PAF base Peshawar and Kamra ... It is safe to assume that weapon integration has been done. Now, If SD-10 (model which is integrated with Thunder) is not in mass production, it doesn't mean that it hasn't been integrated while we have seen many pics of jet carrying this weapon.

Tactics development is other thing which remains active for considerably longer time period then the weapon integration phase due to advent of new technologies in air combat and the induction of their application in over all air defense strategy/doctrine. Like integration of new high leve long range radar would certainly affect on the tactics adopted by the jets who will use that particular radar as one of the many ground sensors present in a threatre of war. So, I don't know why some members are raising so many queries on this news?