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JF-17 Block III's proposed AESA Radar KLJ-7A

Most detailed analysis I could find yet. According to it direct competitor is Vixen 1000E, so JF-17 will be fielding a radar matching the same league as Grippen NG. It also says cooling is flexible for retrofit by preserving old components, so although it is too early to say whether it will be done or not but could potentially see the same radar equipping the Block-2 & 1s if PAF desires in any future mid life update.

Ran it through google translate. Original site is in French
http://www.eastpendulum.com/klj-7a-1er-radar-embarque-aesa-chinois-dedie-a-lexport-est-en-vol

After its first public appearance at the Zhuhai Air Show last year, the KLJ-7A , China's first active electronic scanning radar (AESA) entirely dedicated to export, has disappeared from the radar screens. Its manufacturer, the Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET), better known as Institute 14 of the CETC group, also remained very discreet on the subject.

And it is in a TV report of the Chinese channel CCTV-2 , broadcast this Monday, November 20, that we learn that this radar candidate for Standard Block III of the Sino-Pakistani fighter JF-17 has in fact already entered its flight test phase.

The journalists had the opportunity to attend one of the tests that took place on November 14, when the KLJ-7A, installed on a test bench flying Y-7 , was tested on its ability to detect multiple fast moving targets over 100 km, stability of the follow-up, as well as the simulation of arms fire. Two J-7 fighters assigned to the China Flight Test Establishment (CFTE) also participated in the test to serve as a target.

The fact that these tests now take place at the CFTE also means that the Chinese on-board radar is on the final stretch before its final validation.


The two J-7s serving as targets in the KLJ-7A radar test (Image; CCTV-2)


Flying Test Bench, Registered 712, for KLJ-7A Radar Flight Test (Image; CCTV-2)


KLJ-7A Radar Test Screen (Image; CCTV-2)


The AESA KLJ-7A radar installed under the CFTE Y-7 radome (Image; CCTV-2)


KLJ-7A radar exhibited at Zhuhai Air Show 2016

Except for the details already mentioned last year in our file " Airshow China 2016: KLJ-7A, radar at AESA ", namely that it is an AESA radar with more than 1000 transmitters and receivers ( T / R), with at least 11 operating modes and a range of 170 km for targets of 5 m² SER, and able to track 15 different targets and engage 4 simultaneously, we finally could see what the KLJ-7A antennas face, which had been protected and therefore hidden during its exhibition in Zhuhai in November 2016.

Despite the quality of the images in the television report, it is assumed that the antennas are "Notch" type installed in a brick architecture, unlike the "patch" or "slot" type that has already been seen on some PESA embedded radars and Chinese AESA. This shape generates a greater beam width and also a better gain.

Although it is not T-R modules installed in 3D tile as is the case for the AESA radar J-20 hunter, but for a product dedicated to export must know how to adapt to the market and to its customers.

We also learn that the radar can be adapted to most on-board cooling systems, whether it is a system cooled in air or in liquid. This will reduce the cost of replacement on existing devices by preserving some components already installed on board.


Competitor of the KLJ-7A, the Italian AESA radar VIXEN 1000E

It is still unclear whether the KLJ-7A will be chosen by the Pakistan Air Force to equip the JF-17 Block III currently under development at the 611 Chengdu Institute in China, but it will face a significant competitor in its category which is the VIXEN 1000E , designated by the Italian Selex ES for the Swedish hunter Saab Gripen NG / E.

We should therefore relive another Sino-Italian competition as was the case between the Grifo S-7 mechanical radar and the Chinese equivalent KLJ-7 V2 at the time for the JF-17 Block I.

To be continued.

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Issue with Vixen will be overall systems integration given timelines.
 
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Issue with Vixen will be overall systems integration given timelines.

Yes, Chinese were and still are not comfortable sharing source codes of weapons especially the SD-10A with Europeans. The concern is legitimate and PAF understands. It is however a co incidence that klj-7 turned out to be an excellent performer that exceeded PAF's expectations in some parameters.
Considering the early word on KLJ-7A, and NRIET's experience with AESA radars and the praises they get by PLA, it should be a decent performer at least.
 
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Yes, Chinese were and still are not comfortable sharing source codes of weapons especially the SD-10A with Europeans. The concern is legitimate and PAF understands. It is however a co incidence that klj-7 turned out to be an excellent performer that exceeded PAF's expectations in some parameters.
Considering the early word on KLJ-7A, and NRIET's experience with AESA radars and the praises they get by PLA, it should be a decent performer at least.
Did PAC get limited production rights of the KLJ7 Radar. If so what are they going to do with the setup if they decide to upgrade to AESA? Is the assembly line upgradeable? Secondly what are they going to do with the radars that already exist in the current platforms, when they decide to upgrade or are they not going to upgrade all the platforms? Cost effective solution might be to not upgrade all the platforms and use the AESa equipped aircraft as the lead AC in any sortie.
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Did PAC get limited production rights of the KLJ7 Radar. If so what are they going to do with the setup if they decide to upgrade to AESA? Is the assembly line upgradeable? Secondly what are they going to do with the radars that already exist in the current platforms, when they decide to upgrade or are they not going to upgrade all the platforms? Cost effective solution might be to not upgrade all the platforms and use the AESa equipped aircraft as the lead AC in any sortie.
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They got license production for the radar. Most of the fleet will still house the KJL-7 and V2 variants including export customers so maintenance and servicing, perhaps upgradation (software) may be done at KARF in years to come.
 
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"Not long ago, CCTV publicized 14 AESA outlets that were the products of the three-generation tile AESA. The weight of the entire machine was only over 100 kilograms, and the radar performance was extremely excellent. The official detection range was 170 KM for fighter sized targets. The fighter target beyond 200km can also be detected. It can track and identify dozens of targets over a distance of over 100Km in a wide range, and at the same time or separately attack several of them. This is unimaginable by the PD radar. "


http://new.qq.com/omn/20171125/20171125A0E3WT.html
 
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Thank you for your very neon and psychedelic explanation, informing everyone of the difference between pitch, roll, and yaw. Per @messiach Thunder has had 3 axis FBW for a long time now, it's simply not officially acknowledged.
Where is the source for that?
It has fbw on 2 axis.
 
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Issue with Vixen will be overall systems integration given timelines.
If the PAF intends to use the SD-10 and C-802A with the Block-III, it'll pick the KLJ-7A. Otherwise, selecting the Leonardo Vixen would mean selecting a new munitions suite, at least as far as radar-guided missiles (e.g. BVRAAM and AShM) are concerned. Only scenario where that would make sense is if the missiles are superior (e.g. longer range, new seekers, etc), but I'd say those missiles are likelier to come from China sooner than any other of Pakistan's suppliers, hence the wisdom of selecting the KLJ-7A.
 
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on 28 March China Daily newspaper reported that China will upgrade Pakistan Air Force JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter jet with the KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar

The head of Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology (NRIET) ,Hu Mingchun said that the newest version of the KLJ-7 fire-control radar (FCR) will substantially improve the combat capabilities of the aircraft

“Our product will tremendously extend the fighter jet’s detection range, giving it a much longer sight that will help it detect the enemy’s aircraft before they do; and this is very important, because in real combat if you see first, you fire first, The radar is capable of tracking dozens of targets and engaging several of them simultaneously. It also has a good jamming-resistant capacity that keeps the plane away from enemy’s electronic interference.” The KLJ-7A radar can be mounted on light-or medium-weight fighter jets

Wu Peixin, an aviation industry analyst in Beijing, said the upgrade with a type of cutting-edge radar will undoubtedly enhance the JF-17/FC-1’s appeal to potential buyers from developing nations.

“The KLJ-7A will enable JF-17 and its variants to have stronger fighting capability at a reasonable cost, allowing the aircraft to compete with or confront expensive Western or Russian jets,

During the 2016 Zhuhai Airshow china unveiled new model of state of art KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar .


JF-17 thunder also known as FC-1 Xiaolong is a lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat aircraft . Pakistan Air Force operate more than 100+ units of JF-17 Block 1 and block 2 . Myanmar Air Force and Nigerian Air Force have also placed order to buy JF-17 thunder fighter jets .Research work of JF-17 block 3 is almost completed and PAF will start producing JF-17 block 3 at the end of 2018
 
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A Chinese member brought that news, I think more than year ago.
You should bring some more news in addition, like power usage and specs of this radar


BTW nice publicity of website :tup:
 
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There are many threads on that topic. New thread is useless
 
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Most important thing is capability and if Chinese radar is capable of providing Thunder with the ability to detect targets beyond 170 km and engaging 4 of them simultaneously, this would be the real upgrade in current capability and eventually it would reduce the technological gap between more advance platforms which our adversary will field against PAF. European firms are indeed more experience and it is safe to assume their system will be more advanced in engineering standards at least but for PAF more important is continuous supplies of spares, so KLJ-7A lefts as the only logical choice at the moment unless another Chinese competitor emerges anytime soon.
 
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If the PAF intends to use the SD-10 and C-802A with the Block-III, it'll pick the KLJ-7A. Otherwise, selecting the Leonardo Vixen would mean selecting a new munitions suite, at least as far as radar-guided missiles (e.g. BVRAAM and AShM) are concerned. Only scenario where that would make sense is if the missiles are superior (e.g. longer range, new seekers, etc), but I'd say those missiles are likelier to come from China sooner than any other of Pakistan's suppliers, hence the wisdom of selecting the KLJ-7A.
Indeed; over all configuration and making such a decision will change overall scope impacting present timelines. This replacement if at all required can be considered as a parallel development as a POC.
 
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Significant news:

According to Henri K., the new version of the KLJ-7A radar has three arrays (one front, two facing the sides), thereby allowing the JF-17 to scan to the sides & additionally to the back.

More information is expected to be revealed in the next couple of days as the airshow in Zhuhai officially opens. Of course, power consumption would likely be increased but the JF-17 is also slated for newer & more capable powerplants in the near future.

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Significant news:

According to Henri K., the new version of the KLJ-7A radar has three arrays (one front, two facing the sides), thereby allowing the JF-17 to scan to the sides & additionally to the back.

More information is expected to be revealed in the next couple of days as the airshow in Zhuhai officially opens. Of course, power consumption would likely be increased but the JF-17 is also slated for newer & more capable powerplants in the near future.

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WwwwOW...looks like the blk-3 is gonna be a one lethal bird of prey...
does this mean the blk-3 would be powered by the WS-13 engine that would provide the needed power this AESA radar? Also, what does it mean when he says "thereby allowing the JF-17 to scan to the sides & additionally to the back"? Is there going to be a scanner in the back as well? :close_tema:
 
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