JF-17 Block III Multirole Fighter

[[--Leo--]]

you are fools who are saying twin engine ..if twin engine then cost will be greater basically jf-17 is for only third world country in very less cost get good machine ....if they are using a ram coating to reduce RCS and weight to make just like semi-stealth to thats great achivement but if thats so they have build all-over again so another 8+ years required

i think personally jf-17 desgin will have some changes thats can support AESA and extra payload but just like done with f-16 block 52/60 but semi-stealth i don't see that coming

 

[khanasifm]

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Yeah makin a few airframe changes shouldnt be too hard. F18 was made by slightly altering F5 tigers. Few alteration dont mean that the whole project has to start over!

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[MastanKhan]

you are fools who are saying twin engine ..if twin engine then cost will be greater basically jf-17 is for only third world country in very less cost get good machine ....if they are using a ram coating to reduce RCS and weight to make just like semi-stealth to thats great achivement but if thats so they have build all-over again so another 8+ years required

i think personally jf-17 desgin will have some changes thats can support AESA and extra payload but just like done with f-16 block 52/60 but semi-stealth i don't see that coming

Hi,

Just for example---if there was a twin engine JF17---its operating cost won't be higher than that of the Mirage 2K---.

The cost does not become outrageously high because it is a twin engine---but what you put into it---.

The RD93's cost is predictable---so a twin engine jf17 would be somewhere around 1 3/4 the cost of the single engine JF17---non stealth.

The chinese engine with thrust vectoring being tested on the J10---is a sign that there "might" be a single engine 5th gen aircraft in the making---.

A single engined FC31 for Paf---okay---not bad---but then the need for a deep strike aircraft increase---so the utility of the JH7B does not disappear---but increases multiple folds---.

A 5th gen aircraft is NOTHING with out the compliment of a heavy strike aircraft with standoff weapons.

 

[Ultima Thule]

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No chance COAS clearly stated multiple times in past that there will be no stealth version of JF-17

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

We need a strike platform.
But JH7B is rather becoming more redundant. As technology is moving forward. And many are eying new revolutionary tech which is not yet present.

Hi,

Just for example---if there was a twin engine JF17---its operating cost won't be higher than that of the Mirage 2K---.

The cost does not become outrageously high because it is a twin engine---but what you put into it---.

The RD93's cost is predictable---so a twin engine jf17 would be somewhere around 1 3/4 the cost of the single engine JF17---non stealth.

The chinese engine with thrust vectoring being tested on the J10---is a sign that there "might" be a single engine 5th gen aircraft in the making---.

A single engined FC31 for Paf---okay---not bad---but then the need for a deep strike aircraft increase---so the utility of the JH7B does not disappear---but increases multiple folds---.

A 5th gen aircraft is NOTHING with out the compliment of a heavy strike aircraft with standoff weapons.

 

[MastanKhan]

We need a strike platform.
But JH7B is rather becoming more redundant. As technology is moving forward. And many are eying new revolutionary tech which is not yet present.

Hi,

The B52 bomber is 2 years older than me---and the most modern uograde does wonders---.

My good man---in weapons systems---there are primary weapons and then there are secondary weapons---and then there are weapons that compliment those weapons.

At the stage of life that you are at---the question you should be asking was " tell us how it would work and not that it is redundant ".

As much as I like my young pakistani kids / brethren---you kids are clueless about weapons and weapon systems and about their utility---.

You people think that every shinny thing is gold---and everything that is old is rustic---.

Did you know that some of these american satellites up in the sky that have been out of service for years---( supposedly out of service ) are still sending in extremely useful data---.

Those who think that OLD is worthless---do so at their own PERIL.

If the most modern super power of the world---the USA does not think that way---then anyone else thinking like that is in the wrong---.

An F35 is nothing without an aged old B52 or an B1 bomber to compliment its mission.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

I am not saying that necessarily because JH7B is old. But the rationale I was trying to present is that in our planning and development of air warfare assets framework we atleast need to be looking 30-35 years ahead of our times. Because we are already outpaced by adversary. And if we start playing cath up then the desparity will only increase. So In fact we should be making a leap from present to future. I believe that is also what PAF is trying to do with very limited resources and it is indeed a big challenge.

The US did have an arms race with CCCP but it was only able to achieve air dominance because of its "The future is now design philosophy" when it came to development project of air assets.

Hi,

The B52 bomber is 2 years older than me---and the most modern uograde does wonders---.

My good man---in weapons systems---there are primary weapons and then there are secondary weapons---and then there are weapons that compliment those weapons.

At the stage of life that you are at---the question you should be asking was " tell us how it would work and not that it is redundant ".

As much as I like my young pakistani kids / brethren---you kids are clueless about weapons and weapon systems and about their utility---.

You people think that every shinny thing is gold---and everything that is old is rustic---.

Did you know that some of these american satellites up in the sky that have been out of service for years---( supposedly out of service ) are still sending in extremely useful data---.

Those who think that OLD is worthless---do so at their own PERIL.

If the most modern super power of the world---the USA does not think that way---then anyone else thinking like that is in the wrong---.

An F35 is nothing without an aged old B52 or an B1 bomber to compliment its mission.

 

[FuturePAF]

Hi,

Just for example---if there was a twin engine JF17---its operating cost won't be higher than that of the Mirage 2K---.

The cost does not become outrageously high because it is a twin engine---but what you put into it---.

The RD93's cost is predictable---so a twin engine jf17 would be somewhere around 1 3/4 the cost of the single engine JF17---non stealth.

The chinese engine with thrust vectoring being tested on the J10---is a sign that there "might" be a single engine 5th gen aircraft in the making---.

A single engined FC31 for Paf---okay---not bad---but then the need for a deep strike aircraft increase---so the utility of the JH7B does not disappear---but increases multiple folds---.

A 5th gen aircraft is NOTHING with out the compliment of a heavy strike aircraft with standoff weapons.

MastanKhan,

Not long ago you said the JF-17 is too small and too low to the ground to properly carry PGMs, which the PAF F-16s are the prefect size to carry. The JF-17 design has many advantages, but the shortcomings you originally pointed out are what we should focus on (making a slightly more than just enough 5th gen fighter), but we should remain in the budget constraints of the PAF. PAF can buy the J-31 of the shelf, but has identified the need for a cheaper single gen plane. As I stated above, we should aim for making the light stealth fighter, the Europeans, Turks, Russians, and Americans have done the research for. We have more of a point defense force, we some limit strike missions in all honesty. We can increase the size of the JF-17, increase the clearance under the fuselage, and add in recessed/ or fully enclosed weapons stations to get the benefits of stealth.

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[Ultima Thule]

MastanKhan,

Not long ago you said the JF-17 is too small and too low to the ground to properly carry PGMs, which the PAF F-16s are the prefect size to carry. The JF-17 design has many advantages, but the shortcomings you originally pointed out are what we should focus on (making a slightly more than just enough 5th gen fighter), but we should remain in the budget constraints of the PAF. PAF can buy the J-31 of the shelf, but has identified the need for a cheaper single gen plane. As I stated above, we should aim for making the light stealth fighter, the Europeans, Turks, Russians, and Americans have done the research for. We have more of a point defense force, we some limit strike missions in all honesty. We can increase the size of the JF-17, increase the clearance under the fuselage, and add in recessed/ or fully enclosed weapons stations to get the benefits of stealth.

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Project "AZM" is already there
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/project-azm-stealth-ambition-project.522011/:p:

 

[FuturePAF]

Project "AZM" is already there
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/project-azm-stealth-ambition-project.522011/:p:

Can't the "Block III" also be Project AZM; Sort of like the Mirage 3/5 and the Mirage 2000; Externally very similar, but internally a generation beyond.

Also, I added in the rest of the pictures to the previous post

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Expectations are high for Thunder

Block 1

Block 2

• Extended range Air/Air refueling
• Turkish Sniper POD option for ground operations

Block 3 (Regular Range / Extended Range)

• Choices for Enhanced Engine
• Enhanced classified Radar Tech
• More Weapons Load
• Helmet Mounted Target Tech
• Digital Display Upgrade (Should be considered now that plane is 10 years old)

 

[Ultima Thule]

Can't the "Block III" also be Project AZM; Sort of like the Mirage 3/5 and the Mirage 2000; Externally very similar, but internally a generation beyond.

Also, I added in the rest of the pictures to the previous post

No they are separate projects and don't merge non stealth jets projects (JF-17 Block-3) with stealth jets (Project "AZM") and read the post # 307 of mine
No chance COAS clearly stated multiple times in the past that there will be no stealth version of JF-17

 

[FuturePAF]

No they are separate projects and don't merge non stealth jets projects (JF-17 Block-3) with stealth jets (Project "AZM") and read the post # 307 of mine
No chance COAS clearly stated multiple times in the past that there will be no stealth version of JF-17

Your Right

From the Project AZM Thread; the plan is for a Stealth Drone: Most Likely the Lijian Drone
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-lijian-and-tian-yi-2-stealth-drones.412118/

 

[Ultima Thule]

Your Right

From the Project AZM Thread; the plan is for a Stealth Drone: Most Likely the Lijian Drone
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinas-lijian-and-tian-yi-2-stealth-drones.412118/

No you're wrong again PAF chief clearly said that " our ambitions is to develop full fledged 5th gen MANNED jet and HALE (high altitude long endurance) type UAV not a Stealth drone or UACV"