JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[BATMAN]

i think timely completion of project is what we need and I hope it will have many new capabilities

Golden era of PAF was during Musharraf rule, ever since they are in fall.

New Pakistan govt. is looking for budget cuts every where, even in defense, i see difficult times ahead for the progress of jF-17 and Azm.

 

[MastanKhan]

Golden era of PAF was during Musharraf rule, ever since they are in fall.

New Pakistan govt. is looking for budget cuts every where, even in defense, i see difficult times ahead for the progress of jF-17 and Azm.

Hi,

Except for donating the $5 billion for charity when they were needed for fighter aircraft---. Paf's sabotage on own country is un-heard of---.

 

[Armchair]

I actually see the golden era for PAF starting with the Block 3. It is something few nations could achieve, a state of the art aircraft that can take on anything there is. Having worked with PTI, I know that they will not let Project Azm or JFT go unfunded. No matter what. An "even if we have to eat grass" strategy.

Golden era starts from now. With careful planning, PAF can truly dominate IAF. More Mirages would sharpen our strike and keep up spare parts. JFT line is expanding and should be able to increase numbers. In a few years, we will have 200 JFT, including a host of them with AESA. If the IK-Trump meeting goes well, we may even get some F-16s.

We are in good shape, and better shape than ever before, IMHO. The only concern I have is if PAF will execute Project Azm properly. They should try to keep it simple and effective and not procrastinate over the design for an unnecessarily long time.

 

[The Eagle]

New Pakistan govt. is looking for budget cuts every where, even in defense, i see difficult times ahead for the progress of jF-17 and Azm.

People can indulge into political differences to have some fist fight but we shall not ignore the very fact that there is no Defence Budget Cut except that Military Officer Ranks voluntarily refused to receive salary increments for development in some other relevant area. Please, do not use petty politics for point scoring over hype of defence cut but fact must be stated.

Regards,

 

[BATMAN]

People can indulge into political differences to have some fist fight but we shall not ignore the very fact that there is no Defence Budget Cut except that Military Officer Ranks voluntarily refused to receive salary increments for development in some other relevant area. Please, do not use petty politics for point scoring over hype of defence cut but fact must be stated.

Regards,

It was not a point scoring, it's history of Pakistan and that of jF-17.
It's true that golden era of PAF and defense was during Musharraf rule.

You may be having inside news on defense financial matters but that's not how mass media reported it, while ruling party is least transparent in their financial planning, earnings and spending.

There are mass media reports on budget cuts in education, health and construction sectors as well.... so budget cuts are quite believable news these days and it's effects are wide spread, incl. that of inflaton.

Pakistan ka Khuda hafiz.

 

[The Eagle]

It was not a point scoring, it's history of Pakistan and that of jF-17.
It's true that golden era of PAF and defense was during Musharraf rule.

You may be having inside news on defense financial matters but that's not how mass media reported it, while ruling party is least transparent in their financial planning, earnings and spending.

There are mass media reports on budget cuts in education, health and construction sectors as well.... so budget cuts are quite believable news these days and it's effects are wide spread, incl. that of inflaton.

Pakistan ka Khuda hafiz.

May be you aren't reading much into the news for different prospective & based upon reality. Defence Budget Cut is wrongly attributed and it's only to not to avail Pay Raise by Officers of all ranks in all three services to support infrastructure development into Ex-FATA & Balochistan. Just because, that doesn't interest some does not mean it becomes a fact for everyone. Mass media can go gaga over anything until it serves the purpose. You want to believe something that interests you but you are not accepting the reality and that is the difference. Not just you but others those who are unaware are also informed now.

 

[BATMAN]

Hi,

Except for donating the $5 billion for charity when they were needed for fighter aircraft---. Paf's sabotage on own country is un-heard of---.

Story of ineptness and waste is wide spread in every segment of our society.
Pakistan has suffered more due to wrongly planned spending rather than corruption.
What's missing in the equation of Pakistan's development is vision and right planning thereof.

 

[Tank131]

Golden Era was Musharaffs rule? What a load. With all due respect, on what are you baseing this on? The fact that he inked a deal for F-16? Anyone in Pakistan would have done the same except would have exercises the option to buy the added 18 quickly. Not spending the money on schemes to get airforce defense housing built and masquerading it as flood donation. Please bro, dont fall into the trap of nostalgia. PAF of today is far better in every way. I agree with @Armchair tgat the best is yet to come.

 

[Path-Finder]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1149991266131820544

are the pilots wearing HMD?

 

[Tamiyah]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1149991266131820544

are the pilots wearing HMD?

No don't look like HMD ones. It is the same as it was in China.

 

[Armchair]

The interesting questions are regarding its sensor and munition:
1. Which HMD will be used?
2. PL-10 is likely, but what about other SRAAMs like the Turkish Gokdogan or the Denel A-Darter or Mechtron MAA-1b?
3. PL-15 and the MAR_1 is likely, but what about other BVRAAM and ARM missiles.
4. Will it integrate a quad-packed Chinese 250lb class SDB type weapon or the Turkish SDB.
5. Will it have an internal IRST? or will it make do with a FLIR pod being used as IRST?
6. What type of internal EW suite will it have?
7. Will it incorporate any towed IR/Radar decoys? Will it have expendable decoys?

Presently, PAF uses PL-5 but this is actually for show. Behind the scenes, PAF uses Sidewinders on its JFT. If they can get something better than that, then they will, but until then, that is the story.

Now, if any of these other WVRs can come with an effective HMD/S, that would win the deal, price respectively considered. However, the Chinese HMD is said to be on the heavy side. A lighter variant is possibly being offered. Then there is a European option. If only Paramount or someone else in South Africa ( @denel what say you? ) could come up with an HMD, then the A Darters could find a market with the JFT.

Now that the Russians have opened up, if they have an HMD solution, that would be something new on the table.

 

[BATMAN]

May be you aren't reading much into the news for different prospective & based upon reality. Defence Budget Cut is wrongly attributed and it's only to not to avail Pay Raise by Officers of all ranks in all three services to support infrastructure development into Ex-FATA & Balochistan. Just because, that doesn't interest some does not mean it becomes a fact for everyone. Mass media can go gaga over anything until it serves the purpose. You want to believe something that interests you but you are not accepting the reality and that is the difference. Not just you but others those who are unaware are also informed now.

Just to keep it short; unless an official rebuttal is issued, people can't be blamed for believing the believable.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135971466552512520

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-cut-amid-economic-woes-pm-says-idUSKCN1T60PY

https://www.rt.com/news/461110-pakistan-military-voluntarily-cuts-budget/

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...ees-to-budget-cut-amid-economic-woes-pm-says/

https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/austerity-to-hit-pakistani-military-budget-pm-announces/

 

[The Eagle]

Just to keep it short; unless an official rebuttal is issued, people can't be blamed for believing the believable.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1135971466552512520

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...-cut-amid-economic-woes-pm-says-idUSKCN1T60PY

https://www.rt.com/news/461110-pakistan-military-voluntarily-cuts-budget/

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...ees-to-budget-cut-amid-economic-woes-pm-says/

https://thediplomat.com/2019/06/austerity-to-hit-pakistani-military-budget-pm-announces/

Yes the expenditure covering salary raise but political affair is what stops many to not to look at fact rather seeking more official statements. In fact ISPR issued one but as said political affiliation stops from reading it. This is the way why we are in miserable condition for sometimes as it becomes hard to held accountable of those political demigods. Why not to favour us and stop wasting time and start to update.

 

[khanasifm]

Block 3 semi stealth version
May look like this just a guess

 

[Deino]

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Block 3 semi stealth version
May look like this just a guess

Simply in short: No it will not!