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OK, here's another problem 🙄
The forward bulkhead on Blk 3 has a square hole. But KLJ-7A has a rounded antenna.
However LKF601E does have a square antenna.
So what's happening here?
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OK, here's another problem 🙄
The forward bulkhead on Blk 3 has a square hole. But KLJ-7A has a rounded antenna.
However LKF601E does have a square antenna.
So what's happening here?View attachment 777510

Looks like a B to me? Can't properly see from the picture? Maybe LKF601E in JF17Bs? And LKJ7A in JF17A - B3s?
 
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OK, here's another problem 🙄
The forward bulkhead on Blk 3 has a square hole. But KLJ-7A has a rounded antenna.
However LKF601E does have a square antenna.
So what's happening here?View attachment 777510
May be Both used, may be block three will fly with two aesa , one with klj 7 a and other with 601 e,
Two kind of radars, two kind of set of weapons
 
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May be Both used, may be block three will fly with two aesa , one with klj 7 a and other with 601 e,
Two kind of radars, two kind of set of weapons
There is a air cooled KLJ-7A variant we havn't seen. Could be a hybrid of KLJ-7A/LKF601E. PAF would want fleet commonality so makes sense to have different variant of the same radar that doesnt need additional cooling and could fit existing aircraft in service.


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Though the KLJ-7A was available in multiple versions, one with a fixed-array, another with a mechanically steered panel, and a form with side-mounted panels.[2] However, Warnes’ noted that the PAF opted for an air-cooled version of the KLJ-7A, potentially indicating the existence of a fourth variant.[3]

In 2016, NRIET reportedly said that the KLJ-7A offers a maximum range of 170 km against a target with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5m2.[4] NRIET added that the KLJ-7A uses over 1,000 transmit/receive modules (TRM), and is capable of tracking 15 targets and simultaneously engaging four.[5] It also has over 11 modes for operation, including synthetic aperture radar (SAR).[6]

It is unclear how the air-cooled configuration would impact the KLJ-7A’s performance, but the competing LKF601E (also air-cooled) offered near-identical results. So, like the KLJ-7A, the LKF601E offers a range of 170 km for ‘fighter-sized’ targets, with the ability to track 15 of them simultaneously, and engage four at once.[7] However, LETRI did not disclose how many TRMs it is using in the LKF601E.[8]

Thus, an air-cooled variant of the KLJ-7A should at least be as capable of the LKF601E. However, compared to the liquid-cooled version of the KLJ-7A, the air-cooled variant could be lighter in weight, and smaller in size. The benefit of this choice could be that it would be easier to retrofit to earlier JF-17 models.


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OK, here's another problem 🙄
The forward bulkhead on Blk 3 has a square hole. But KLJ-7A has a rounded antenna.
However LKF601E does have a square antenna.
So what's happening here?View attachment 777510

You are getting confused by the circular cover that could possibly be hiding a square hole. If you notice, the circular cover is bolted into place. Also, the picture of KLJ-7A is merely a representation. Let us wait for PAF/PAC to confirm, but the best assumption seems to be KLJ-7A so far.

Also, if you read the hints given by @messiach, the two phase cooling would utilize a fuel tank as a heat exchanger. This fuel tank wouldn't be used to power the aircraft, and would be quite small in size.
 
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People are throwing arrows in the air and hoping at least some will stick.

So anyways, we have two phase cooling system, ya??

Is it an active system? If so then what type is it?
Two-phase active cooling systems:
-Pumped two-phase technologies
-Vapour compression technologies

Is it a passive system? Then what type is it?
Two-phase passive loops:
-Loop Heat Pipe (LHP)
-Capillary Pumped Loop (CPL)
-Capillary Pumped Loop for Integrated Power (CPLIP)

Fuel tank being used as a 'Heat Sink' sounds like an exaggeration.
 
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People are throwing arrows in the air and hoping at least some with stick.

So anyways, we have two phase cooling system, ya??

Is it an active system? If so then what type is it?
Two-phase active cooling systems:
-Pumped two-phase technologies
-Vapour compression technologies

Is it a passive system? Then what type is it?
Two-phase passive loops:
-Loop Heat Pipe (LHP)
-Capillary Pumped Loop (CPL)
-Capillary Pumped Loop for Integrated Power (CPLIP)

Fuel tank being used as a 'Heat Sink' sounds like an exaggeration.

SHhhhhh... they know eeeeeeverything! Don't question them! They have Pee Hech Dees! :D
 
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There is a air cooled KLJ-7A variant we havn't seen. Could be a hybrid of KLJ-7A/LKF601E. PAF would want fleet commonality so makes sense to have different variant of the same radar that doesnt need additional cooling and could fit existing aircraft in service.


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Though the KLJ-7A was available in multiple versions, one with a fixed-array, another with a mechanically steered panel, and a form with side-mounted panels.[2] However, Warnes’ noted that the PAF opted for an air-cooled version of the KLJ-7A, potentially indicating the existence of a fourth variant.[3]

In 2016, NRIET reportedly said that the KLJ-7A offers a maximum range of 170 km against a target with a radar cross-section (RCS) of 5m2.[4] NRIET added that the KLJ-7A uses over 1,000 transmit/receive modules (TRM), and is capable of tracking 15 targets and simultaneously engaging four.[5] It also has over 11 modes for operation, including synthetic aperture radar (SAR).[6]

It is unclear how the air-cooled configuration would impact the KLJ-7A’s performance, but the competing LKF601E (also air-cooled) offered near-identical results. So, like the KLJ-7A, the LKF601E offers a range of 170 km for ‘fighter-sized’ targets, with the ability to track 15 of them simultaneously, and engage four at once.[7] However, LETRI did not disclose how many TRMs it is using in the LKF601E.[8]

Thus, an air-cooled variant of the KLJ-7A should at least be as capable of the LKF601E. However, compared to the liquid-cooled version of the KLJ-7A, the air-cooled variant could be lighter in weight, and smaller in size. The benefit of this choice could be that it would be easier to retrofit to earlier JF-17 models.


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If air-cooled version of KLJ-7A AESA radar is selected for JF-17 Blk 3s then these plumbings seen outside the bottom of the cockpit are coming from the engine compressor. High pressure air is being used as coolant.

"One way of maintaining the working temperature of the radome is to use coolant based refrigeration techniques or recirculation of pressurised air within the housing in order to maintain an optimum temperature within the radome."

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