Jawan dies, 4 others injured in Pak shelling in Naushera

[Areesh]

That will be reciprocated by one step ahead of the escalation ladder. The whole ceasefire agreement was brought by Pakistan in 2003 with help of US pressuring India to agree. Because once firing escalate to 155 mm Howitzers India will inflict heavy damage and Pakistan won't have enough stomach. Insteed a full blown war will be more beneficial in terms of morale for PA. This time India has shown enough restrain after surgical operation. But Pakistan Army has to do something in return to keep many in Ur country happy. So we saw many unprovoked firing not only on our posts and later targeted our people near border area. As damage you managed to inflict was very minimal on our BSF (terms of retaliation to each violation by BSF and IA)

You may ask why to target civilians?
Because to put pressure on Indian Government to start talks with Pakistan once again. So we quickly cleared our people from these area. Started using Heavy weapons. The same escalation ladder before Cease fire agreement.

Point of view : See if you want to keep blaming India and keep violations of Ceasefire agreements then Ur welcome. We won't respect this agreement which is already breached. We don't gain with small to medium arms. We have heavy fire power over powering any retaliation you have bring. Either mend your ways be responsible for the peace between us. Or we will take this escalation to any level a step higher than your response.

This is the real issue. Kid if you don't trust me have some talk with real army veterans in Ur Country or in this group. If war is what you wanted I don't think IA will back off. It too has great respect among our people. Even if Govt of the day don't want war. We will respect that. But if things not change we know how to do some tricks at the borders for which Govt will have respond. This happened even in UPA years. And now you know who is ruling India and Indian Armed forces. His name is Narendra Modi

Nice delusional post. A post full of delusions and no hard facts. Delusions are a norm in India. More than a dozen Indian soldiers have become victims of same delusion backed policies.

It is because of the same ceasefire that you have a fence on LOC. Without ceasefire you can't even think of fencing the LOC. It is because of same ceasefire that things improved a little in post 2010 days in IOK. It is because of same ceasefire that you had lowest casualties in many years in IOK before 2010. All the militant and extremist organizations slammed this ceasefire since it helped India in fencing the border and improving its defenses. Even former Indian soldiers accept that ceasefire has helped India. No ceasefire is a bad news for India.

www.dawn.com/news/127316/ceasefire-helping-india-jamiat


And who are you threatening with your 155mm howitzers kid??? This is Pakistan buddy not Bangladesh..

Pakistan also has 155mm howitzers and that too of not 1 but 3 different origins. You have options that whether you want to get bombed by a Turkish 155 mm howitzer or an American one or a Chinese one.

You have more than 1 option. Just tell us and we bombed the sh!t out of you with the kind of 155mm that you like.

BSF has got its fair share of beating and Indian army being a bigger power got its required share of beating. If BSF needs more beating then believe me it would get more. Very soon.

Go threaten someone else with thes petty threats. You mess with us, you get sniped. You get shelled and even sometimes allegedly beheaded.

Keep praying Modi. He is a chaiwala ruling a cr@p of a country. In fact under his rule Indian army casualties are the highest in many years. And I don;t know about others but I personally like that. He came to power with all those big claims and coffin boxes of Indian army are highest in his regime. You want an all out war. Then be it. It would be interesting to see how you cry and moan when dozens of dead bodies would back to India since looking at you guys whine a lot even death of a single so called jawan. The onus is on you. You would get whatever you want to. The options are open for you.

But you said there were no surgical strikes that's official statement from pak army. And you were also agreeing it. now you are targeting our soldiers because we crossed LOC?

Man don't be a pendulum!

We still say there were no surgical strike. We are simply responding back to Indian ceasefire violations.

The pendulum is you. Can't even give a proper official details of the so called surgical strikes. Your DGMO didn't even answer a single question in his pres brief on this drama.

 

[ShoutB]

We still say there were no surgical strike. We are simply responding back to Indian ceasefire violations.

The pendulum is you. Can't even give a proper official details of the so called surgical strikes. Your DGMO didn't even answer a single question in his pres brief on this drama

DGMO reports to ministry of defence and it's duty of ministry of defence unlike your military state.

Secondly, India is very clear. India did the strike on terrorist, Pakistanis tried to protect and since then only cross border ceasefire had began. Otherwise there was no use of opening ceasefire.

But one thing is confirmed. India will cross the LOC again and Pakistan as usually will deny!

 

[Areesh]

DGMO reports to ministry of defence and it's duty of ministry of defence unlike your military state.

Secondly, India is very clear. India did the strike on terrorist, Pakistanis tried to protect and since then only cross border ceasefire had began. Otherwise there was no use of opening ceasefire.

But one thing is confirmed. India will cross the LOC again and Pakistan as usually will deny!

And your DGMO reported nothing to your ministry of defense and hence your minister of defense had to force people into not asking questions about surgical strike drama or else they would be declared traitors.

India is not clear on anything. Not even on the drama it did. And ceasefire violations are happening since past many years. I think you were living under a rock all these years.

You cross LOC. You get f*cked. The rule is simple. The choice is yours.

 

[ShoutB]

And your DGMO reported nothing to your ministry of defense and hence your minister of defense had to force people into not asking questions about surgical strike drama or else they would be declared traitors.

India is not clear on anything. Not even on the drama it did. And ceasefire violations are happening since past many years. I think you were living under a rock all these years.

You cross LOC. You get f*cked. The rule is simple. The choice is yours.

the cease fire started exactly after the day India announced about surgical strike. Looks like you do not follow the current affairs. You are talking unnecessarily without having any clue about the happenings. And very next day you began doing air force exercise and scrambled f-16 ..

come on dude.. stop being innocent and get your facts straight.

 

[Areesh]

the cease fire started exactly after the day India announced about surgical strike. Looks like you do not follow the current affairs. You are talking unnecessarily without having any clue about the happenings. And very next day you began doing air force exercise and scrambled f-16 ..

come on dude.. stop being innocent and get your facts straight.

Ceasefire violations are common. Happen every year. Looks like you live under a rock in your mini little world.

And F16 exorcises were planned months ago before your drama. At least learn about our excercises before wasting our time here.

All my facts are right. You stop wasting our time and trying so hard on nothing.

 

[MadDog]

That will be reciprocated by one step ahead of the escalation ladder. The whole ceasefire agreement was brought by Pakistan in 2003 with help of US pressuring India to agree. Because once firing escalate to 155 mm Howitzers India will inflict heavy damage and Pakistan won't have enough stomach. Insteed a full blown war will be more beneficial in terms of morale for PA. This time India has shown enough restrain after surgical operation. But Pakistan Army has to do something in return to keep many in Ur country happy. So we saw many unprovoked firing not only on our posts and later targeted our people near border area. As damage you managed to inflict was very minimal on our BSF (terms of retaliation to each violation by BSF and IA)

You may ask why to target civilians?
Because to put pressure on Indian Government to start talks with Pakistan once again. So we quickly cleared our people from these area. Started using Heavy weapons. The same escalation ladder before Cease fire agreement.

Point of view : See if you want to keep blaming India and keep violations of Ceasefire agreements then Ur welcome. We won't respect this agreement which is already breached. We don't gain with small to medium arms. We have heavy fire power over powering any retaliation you have bring. Either mend your ways be responsible for the peace between us. Or we will take this escalation to any level a step higher than your response.

This is the real issue. Kid if you don't trust me have some talk with real army veterans in Ur Country or in this group. If war is what you wanted I don't think IA will back off. It too has great respect among our people. Even if Govt of the day don't want war. We will respect that. But if things not change we know how to do some tricks at the borders for which Govt will have respond. This happened even in UPA years. And now you know who is ruling India and Indian Armed forces. His name is Narendra Modi

Mate atleast gather some information before posting. If you're talking about self propelled artillery, Pakistan has a clear qualitative and quantitative advantage.
Pakistan will reciprocate any aggressive move from its adversary. LOC was cold before Modi came to power, it only started after his days in office. It is clear it is your govt who use LOC skirmishes as a diversionary tactic to divert public attention from deteriorating situation in Kashmir and to secure vote bank.
Your own media has been reporting the intensity of Pakistan's response to your violations, interms of sniper kills and cross border raids, although it is hiding the actual losses, it went even as far as calling normal Pak soldiers as SSG. Just because these units battle hardened with real war experience from Waziristan doesn't mean they are SSG.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...etting-indian-soldiers-along-loc-1533561.html

Pakistan controls the momentum of fight at LOC, your side is suffering heavily on daily basis and your media is hiding the actual losses from Indian public, just they way they deliberately misreported the destruction of an Indian ammo dump and deaths of Indian troops close to LOC at Poonch.

Before you claim its edited picture , here is the video, grab a bag of popcorn and enjoy. Pakistan will reciprocate and its retaliation will be swift , precise and lethal. Your media needs to do a better job at hiding the actual losses.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10154239097542663

the cease fire started exactly after the day India announced about surgical strike. Looks like you do not follow the current affairs. You are talking unnecessarily without having any clue about the happenings. And very next day you began doing air force exercise and scrambled f-16 ..

come on dude.. stop being innocent and get your facts straight.

wrong , absolutely wrong, high mark exercises started well before Sept 29th, the day you claim to have done Hanuman strikes. Here are news reports from Sept 22, stating High Mark exercises are in full swing.

http://www.brecorder.com/pakistan/g...-exercise-by-paf-continues-in-full-swing.html
http://www.samaa.tv/pakistan/2016/09/paf-holds-high-mark-exercise-on-motorway/

Even discussions and videos about that exercise were happening on PDF well before that day , on this forum. Please don't be delusional, twisting and playing with facts is never the right thing.

https://defence.pk/threads/high-mark-2016-motorway-touchdown.450773/

DGMO reports to ministry of defence and it's duty of ministry of defence unlike your military state.

Secondly, India is very clear. India did the strike on terrorist, Pakistanis tried to protect and since then only cross border ceasefire had began. Otherwise there was no use of opening ceasefire.

But one thing is confirmed. India will cross the LOC again and Pakistan as usually will deny!

Don't know if you will cross or not.
We already did cross in recent days.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...etting-indian-soldiers-along-loc-1533561.html
Many instances people on your side blame it on terrorists to give a face saving.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1293017/2-indian-soldiers-killed-by-militants-along-loc

In the tenure of your last govt, your defence minister claimed an attack on your troops across LOC by terrorists wearing Pak Army uniforms killing 5 Indian troops, again a clear face saving.
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/ind...ts-in-pak-army-uniform-sneak-insid-25996.html

Cross border raids were common, even in the decade of 90's, Pakistani special forces used to operate in Indian Occupied Kashmir. However Pakistan, being a rational state actor doesn't claim such raids. It is the pain on your side which explains everything. Hope you enjoy the wet drea

 

[Lotus_stalk]

If Pakistan is hiding its casualties then ...
number of deaths should be enormous...

This is like case of a child who has failed in examination but lies to parents "I came first in class".. Later parents finds out their child has failed..

go through the links below, you will realize the credibility of Pakistan government is almost zero...

http://www.dawn.com/news/1151200

http://tribune.com.pk/story/307145/rethinking-the-big-lies-from-1971/

 

[Signalian]

Because once firing escalate to 155 mm Howitzers India will inflict heavy damage and Pakistan won't have enough stomach. Insteed a full blown war will be more beneficial in terms of morale for PA.

I hope you do realise that Pakistan also has 155mm artillery guns in its inventory and can inflict heavy damage to India. If India is losing soldiers inflicted by smaller calibre, then imagine what bigger calibre will do.

 

[MadDog]

If Pakistan is hiding its casualties then ...
number of deaths should be enormous...

This is like case of a child who has failed in examination but lies to parents "I came first in class".. Later parents finds out their child has failed..

go through the links below, you will realize the credibility of Pakistan government is almost zero...

http://www.dawn.com/news/1151200

http://tribune.com.pk/story/307145/rethinking-the-big-lies-from-1971/

LOL, bringing 1971 into the debate about LOC shows you have lost the argument. Pakistan of 1971 had state controlled media, today's Pakistan has 100 plus media houses , have full access to everywhere in Pakistan. They are ones who even unearthed Ajmal Kassab's house. So keep deluding yourself, a deluded adversary is always good for us.

 

[Lotus_stalk]

LOL, bringing 1971 into the debate about LOC shows you have lost the argument. Pakistan of 1971 had state controlled media, today's Pakistan has 100 plus media houses , have full access to everywhere in Pakistan. They are ones who even unearthed Ajmal Kassab's house. So keep deluding yourself, a deluded adversary is always good for us.

Your general Raheel does not want to lose face. He is about to retire and wants an extension. Indian army has better weapons and in larger quantity, you should accept our superiority. Your media listens to army.

 

[Rafi]

Pakistan Artillery is currently far ahead of Indias. Both in terms of range and precision.

 

[ShoutB]

Don't know if you will cross or not.
We already did cross in recent days.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...etting-indian-soldiers-along-loc-1533561.html
Many instances people on your side blame it on terrorists to give a face saving.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1293017/2-indian-soldiers-killed-by-militants-along-loc

In the tenure of your last govt, your defence minister claimed an attack on your troops across LOC by terrorists wearing Pak Army uniforms killing 5 Indian troops, again a clear face saving.
http://www.indiatvnews.com/news/ind...ts-in-pak-army-uniform-sneak-insid-25996.html

Cross border raids were common, even in the decade of 90's, Pakistani special forces used to operate in Indian Occupied Kashmir. However Pakistan, being a rational state actor doesn't claim such raids. It is the pain on your side which explains everything. Hope you enjoy the wet drea

First of all raids were common but but anti terrorist operations were not. Neither no one claimed to have it done before. But for the first time India did it and killed terrorists on your soil and announced it!

But one thing is proven now! Your soldiers target our soldiers while our soldiers target only terrorist on your soil. Because Pakistan army has bad tendency to protect terrorists while targeting Indian soldiers on patrol.

Now, even if India crosses border and pound terrorist Inside your territory you will not be in a condition to accept it. Hence you have given us one more option to cross the LOC/IB officially carry out strikes and return.

And lastly coming to exercise. It was done to test the preparedness to scramble them from highways. Flying over Islamabad 2-3 times and throwing flares over civilian area by flying low is not exercise but a message.We are not some ch*tiyas who will have it taken as exercise, that was not at all a part of exercise. Any one who has even a bi of idea , will understand why it was done.

Pakistan Artillery is currently far ahead of Indias. Both in terms of range and precision.

you recently upgraded your M109 to A5 most probably 31 cal. which has a range of 33000m. Bofors is already functioning that past 10 years more over, Indian ary Dhanus V1 happens to be tested with 25% better performance wrt Bofors. Now India is working on version2

 

[Lotus_stalk]

Pakistan Artillery is currently far ahead of Indias. Both in terms of range and precision.

Even if it is... it won't last very long. India is importing and manufacturing very long range high precision artillery.. you will be reminded of 1971

 

[Rafi]

First of all raids were common but but anti terrorist operations were not. Neither no one claimed to have it done before. But for the first time India did it and killed terrorists on your soil and announced it!

But one thing is proven now! Your soldiers target our soldiers while our soldiers target only terrorist on your soil. Because Pakistan army has bad tendency to protect terrorists while targeting Indian soldiers on patrol.

Now, even if India crosses border and pound terrorist Inside your territory you will not be in a condition to accept it. Hence you have given us one more option to cross the LOC/IB officially carry out strikes and return.

And lastly coming to exercise. It was done to test the preparedness to scramble them from highways. Flying over Islamabad 2-3 times and throwing flares over civilian area by flying low is not exercise but a message.We are not some ch*tiyas who will have it taken as exercise, that was not at all a part of exercise. Any one who has even a bi of idea , will understand why it was done.


you recently upgraded your M109 to A5 most probably 31 cal. which has a range of 33000m. Bofors is already functioning that past 10 years more over, Indian ary Dhanus V1 happens to be tested with 25% better performance wrt Bofors. Now India is working on version2

First of all raids were common but but anti terrorist operations were not. Neither no one claimed to have it done before. But for the first time India did it and killed terrorists on your soil and announced it!

But one thing is proven now! Your soldiers target our soldiers while our soldiers target only terrorist on your soil. Because Pakistan army has bad tendency to protect terrorists while targeting Indian soldiers on patrol.

Now, even if India crosses border and pound terrorist Inside your territory you will not be in a condition to accept it. Hence you have given us one more option to cross the LOC/IB officially carry out strikes and return.

And lastly coming to exercise. It was done to test the preparedness to scramble them from highways. Flying over Islamabad 2-3 times and throwing flares over civilian area by flying low is not exercise but a message.We are not some ch*tiyas who will have it taken as exercise, that was not at all a part of exercise. Any one who has even a bi of idea , will understand why it was done.


you recently upgraded your M109 to A5 most probably 31 cal. which has a range of 33000m. Bofors is already functioning that past 10 years more over, Indian ary Dhanus V1 happens to be tested with 25% better performance wrt Bofors. Now India is working on version2

This Panter Turkish made is more advanced than any gun in indian inventory.
We have it in large numbers.

 

[Major d1]

Even if it is... it won't last very long. India is importing and manufacturing very long range high precision artillery.. you will be reminded of 1971

in 1971 just from two sides india got access, comilla and zasar. That was all about eastern and western PK war . nothing about India. while India did war with full faze from the other sides. But in the eastern border side they can't say- we won.