Japan to Invest $20 Billion in Indian Solar Power

[Echo_419]

India need solar wafer FAB

Plz explain what is a Solar Wafer FAB or are you talking about micro chips that go into electronics which require FAB plants

 

[21 Dec 2012]

Sadly its one of the most effective ways.

Are you sure? I have tried to google it and haven't found any proper mirror vs cell comparison. Can you help?

 

[Georgeclark]

Are you sure? I have tried to google it and haven't found any proper mirror vs cell comparison. Can you help?

I am not an expert but the production tells it.

 

[Matrixx]

Plz explain what is a Solar Wafer FAB or are you talking about micro chips that go into electronics which require FAB plants

Solar wafer = chip which absorb solar heat

these chips are very similar to computer chip structurally...just they go through different process

Solar Wafer process FAB is less complex compare to computer Wafers FAB

 

[Echo_419]

Solar wafer = chip which absorb solar heat

these chips are very similar to computer chip structurally...just they go through different process

Solar Wafer process FAB is less complex compare to computer Wafers FAB

Is there any such facility in India right now becuz recently there was a lot of talk to establish solar manufacturing over here

 

[Aepsilons]

@Georgeclark, @Nihonjin1051 i think most of it has been because of sheer support of USA and Japan. Without them and their support i don't think India would have been able to rise. Japan has been always supportive of India. Also the fact as you mentioned is that almost 65% of Indian population is below 35 years of age, with that young population i don't see why India can't become a economic powerhouse. Also in this globalized world you cannot achieve success on your own you always need someone in your life to hold your hand. We can all develop with co-ordination. And i am very happy to see the the co-ordination among our countries. As a startup owner when i see india as a second largest startup ecosystem behind America and also when i come to India i always get a sense that India is changing very fast and always say to myself 'What has gotten into India'. Such type of eagerness to perform and urgency is mind boggling to see.
My visit after every two to three years to India doesn't fails to mesmerize me as a Indian i really want to see in my lifetime India to be the same flying golden bird which is written in the History. India has the capacity to repeat that History.
Always remember this guyzz 'the best which can Happen to us is SUCCESS and also the worst which can happen to us is sucess' Life is also just 'the matter of priorities' set your priorities and decide which success you wish to have among both of them. The whole world is looking at India to give them the results i want India to deliver because at present the economy of whole world is in down trend except India. That's why the whole world has it's eye on her.
Come on India- just perform your best, let the flood gates open and bring wonders to the world economy. we should develop our region as a whole so that it can bring benefits to our citizens.
As an admirer i will once again like to say 'India never fails to mesmerize me'.

Superbly stated, buddy !! 110% agree with you.

 

[Darmashkian]

@Nihonjin1051 san. @Georgeclark @Atomic Sahooliyat @Echo_419
Here are some good links on the Solar Power & it's potential future in India

GreentechLead | India needs more focused measures to tap rooftop solar potential
India aims to develop distributed or rooftop solar capacity of 40 gigawatts by 2022. It is part of the 100-gigawatt target the government has set.

However, the country is still a long way from achieving that target despite abundance of solar irradiation at 5.1 kilowatt hour per square meter and more than 300 sunny days on average in a year.

The ministry of new and renewable energy (MNRE) has stated in a report that India has the potential to develop 25 gigawatts of rooftop solar systems. And a rooftop solar power system on average generates 1-3 kilowatt hour of energy.

According to a report by the credit rating agency CARE Ratings, the inclusion of commercial buildings, shopping complexes and offices can further expand potential of rooftop solar power generation in India.
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Why India’s solar sector has turned into a $100 billion investment magnet

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Railways to float tenders to procure solar energy | Business Standard News
Indian Railways will float tenders to procure at least 200 mega watt of solar energy in the next two months, a step which will promote use of non-conventional energy in its daily functioning.

The tender is part of Railways' plan to procure 1000 mega watt of solar energy over the next five years.

"We have fixed a target of procuring 1000 mega watt solar power in the whole Indian Railways. We are working on it. We are going to float a tender for at least 200 mega watts in next two moths. We have plenty of rooftops available in Indian Railways (to install the panels)," he said.
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India’s solar push faces challenges - Livemint
Problems:-
1)The first one is price and affordability. Assuming 15.5% post-tax return on equity, the cost of generation from a solar project that uses quality equipment can be above Rs.10 per unit, says Harshvardhan Dole, vice-president at IIFL Institutional Equities.

Till now the industry is being supported by the government incentives like lower duties, tax breaks and guaranteed purchases by the state utilities. Some companies bundle solar energy with large volumes of conventional energy, which results in a marginal rise in tariffs for the end user.

2)
The second issue is infrastructure. The existing transmission capacities are already insufficient. Due to inter-state transmission congestion, around 88 million kilowatt-hour of electricity was not traded on an energy exchange last month, Reliance Securities Ltd has pointed out.
According to analysts, the Power Grid Corp. of India Ltd has been asked to build separate transmission lines to evacuate green energy. But the company, at least in the initial stages, is expected to build only inter-state transmission lines. Within the states, the local governments have to invest in capacities.
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Specially for @Nihonjin1051 , This is a very interesting Idea.
Narendra Modi implemented something similar(though a little different) in Gujarat, when he put solar panels right above the river, this prevented the evaporation of water during summer (as the solar panels prevented it) leaving more or it for the farmers+it saved land!!

Japan is building huge floating solar power plants : TreeHugger

Japan has been working to shift more of its energy generation to renewable sources in the years since the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster, aiming to double its renewable energy output by 2030. In that rush, the country has come up with some smart ways to install distributed solar power. The latest idea has been to develop floating solar power plants that cover small inland bodies of water like ponds and reservoirs.

Solar power company Kyocera has been leading the charge and just recently launched a solar power plant that floats on a reservoir and will produce about 2,680 megawatt hours per year -- enough for 820 typical households. The installation consists of almost 9,100 waterproof solar panels atop a float made of a high-density polyethylene.

Kyocera previously installed this technology in two smaller power plants over ponds earlier this year.

Why make floating solar power plants when the land-based ones do just fine? Well, there are three major benefits to marine solar tech. The first is that they don't take up any land space. In Japan where cities are dense, agricultural land is limited, and rooftop solar has really taken off, water-based solar power is another way to rack up some clean energy, without taking up extra space.

The second, and most important, is that the water helps the solar panels perform better. The water keeps the panels cool, which makes them operate more efficiently and helps them last longer.

The third benefit is to the body of water itself. When panels are placed over reservoirs, they discourage water evaporation and algae growth, both of which keep the reservoirs fuller and healthier.

Kyocera has even bigger plans for floating solar power. The company is working on a 13.4-megawatt project on the Yamakura Dam reservoir, which will be the largest floating solar installation in the world when it starts operation in March 2016.

The plant will be comprised of approximately 50,000 Kyocera modules over a water surface area of 180,000m2. It will generate about 15,635 megawatt hours (MWh) per year, the equivalent of the energy demand of 4,700 typical households.

 

[Spectre]

Superbly stated, buddy !! 110% agree with you.

Do you think the warmth in India-Japan ties are driven by Abe solely or are all political parties in Japan are similarly enthused by the potential for return the Indian economy offers Japan?

There are two aspects to Indo-Japanese relationship

Economical - Japan's economy is fully developed hence potential for return in very low, interest rates in Japan hover in lower single digits. The Japanese surplus can therefore be invested in high return economies like India. This is a purely commercial aspect of relationship with no strategic dimensions as there are very few stable economies like India who have a similar potential for growth. China is one but Japan has already invested quite a bit in China and doesn't want to be over-leveraged in case Chinese equity bubble bursts.

Strategic - Japan is looking towards India as an option to diversify its military dependence on USA. There is a feeling in certain section of Japanese establishment that USA is increasingly going to be inward looking. Therefore a time may arise in future where USA is no longer able or willing to go to war with China in case China forcibly occupies some Japanese territories which they consider disputed.

Japan hence will need all the allies they can get and China wouldn't want to open a two front conflict with India and Japan as Japan has one of the finest navies and Indian's too are not minnows. Realistically speaking China would be approaching US level of naval might in next two decades. Japan and India alone cannot contain China but together they just might.

I am also very exited about joint Indo- Japanese naval exercises in Bay of Bengal.

Plans were for India-Japan - USA joint Malabar Naval Exercise but China is quite touchy about any trilateral or quadrilateral groupings and considers it to be anti-china. Indian Govt had accepted Chinese Concerns and therefore not invited Japan or Australia along with USA in Malabar exercises. But looking at how Chinese are just brushing aside Indian Concerns - They blocked UNSC resolutions against Lakhvi a known terrorist in Pakistan and blocked Indian membership in NSG, India might overlook China this one time to send a message.

As for my background, I am a financial analyst for Japanese Embassy in New Delhi

 

[Matrixx]

Is there any such facility in India right now becuz recently there was a lot of talk to establish solar manufacturing over here

there is one in Chandigarh...i believe...but not at full scale....govt is in talk for solar and display FAB.....computer chip FAB is still far.....Japan, Chinese and US companies are in proposal tlak

 

[Spectre]

Is it just me or everyone is smelling a SUCCESS in here and the target is achievable

Target is achievable only if notorious Indian bureaucracy and politicians don't muck it up by their usual combination of greed, lethargy and politics. Huge Land Banks would be needed and for which it is very important for land acquisition bill to be passes. Opposition is hell bent on preventing it

 

[Georgeclark]

@Nihonjin1051 san. @Georgeclark @Atomic Sahooliyat @Echo_419
Here are some good links on the Solar Power & it's potential future in India

GreentechLead | India needs more focused measures to tap rooftop solar potential
India aims to develop distributed or rooftop solar capacity of 40 gigawatts by 2022. It is part of the 100-gigawatt target the government has set.

However, the country is still a long way from achieving that target despite abundance of solar irradiation at 5.1 kilowatt hour per square meter and more than 300 sunny days on average in a year.

The ministry of new and renewable energy (MNRE) has stated in a report that India has the potential to develop 25 gigawatts of rooftop solar systems. And a rooftop solar power system on average generates 1-3 kilowatt hour of energy.

According to a report by the credit rating agency CARE Ratings, the inclusion of commercial buildings, shopping complexes and offices can further expand potential of rooftop solar power generation in India.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Why India’s solar sector has turned into a $100 billion investment magnet

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Railways to float tenders to procure solar energy | Business Standard News
Indian Railways will float tenders to procure at least 200 mega watt of solar energy in the next two months, a step which will promote use of non-conventional energy in its daily functioning.

The tender is part of Railways' plan to procure 1000 mega watt of solar energy over the next five years.

"We have fixed a target of procuring 1000 mega watt solar power in the whole Indian Railways. We are working on it. We are going to float a tender for at least 200 mega watts in next two moths. We have plenty of rooftops available in Indian Railways (to install the panels)," he said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
India’s solar push faces challenges - Livemint
Problems:-
1)The first one is price and affordability. Assuming 15.5% post-tax return on equity, the cost of generation from a solar project that uses quality equipment can be above Rs.10 per unit, says Harshvardhan Dole, vice-president at IIFL Institutional Equities.

Till now the industry is being supported by the government incentives like lower duties, tax breaks and guaranteed purchases by the state utilities. Some companies bundle solar energy with large volumes of conventional energy, which results in a marginal rise in tariffs for the end user.

2)
The second issue is infrastructure. The existing transmission capacities are already insufficient. Due to inter-state transmission congestion, around 88 million kilowatt-hour of electricity was not traded on an energy exchange last month, Reliance Securities Ltd has pointed out.
According to analysts, the Power Grid Corp. of India Ltd has been asked to build separate transmission lines to evacuate green energy. But the company, at least in the initial stages, is expected to build only inter-state transmission lines. Within the states, the local governments have to invest in capacities.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Specially for @Nihonjin1051 , This is a very interesting Idea.
Narendra Modi implemented something similar(though a little different) in Gujarat, when he put solar panels right above the river, this prevented the evaporation of water during summer (as the solar panels prevented it) leaving more or it for the farmers+it saved land!!

Japan is building huge floating solar power plants : TreeHugger

Japan has been working to shift more of its energy generation to renewable sources in the years since the Fukushima nuclear plant disaster, aiming to double its renewable energy output by 2030. In that rush, the country has come up with some smart ways to install distributed solar power. The latest idea has been to develop floating solar power plants that cover small inland bodies of water like ponds and reservoirs.

Solar power company Kyocera has been leading the charge and just recently launched a solar power plant that floats on a reservoir and will produce about 2,680 megawatt hours per year -- enough for 820 typical households. The installation consists of almost 9,100 waterproof solar panels atop a float made of a high-density polyethylene.

Kyocera previously installed this technology in two smaller power plants over ponds earlier this year.

Why make floating solar power plants when the land-based ones do just fine? Well, there are three major benefits to marine solar tech. The first is that they don't take up any land space. In Japan where cities are dense, agricultural land is limited, and rooftop solar has really taken off, water-based solar power is another way to rack up some clean energy, without taking up extra space.

The second, and most important, is that the water helps the solar panels perform better. The water keeps the panels cool, which makes them operate more efficiently and helps them last longer.

The third benefit is to the body of water itself. When panels are placed over reservoirs, they discourage water evaporation and algae growth, both of which keep the reservoirs fuller and healthier.

Kyocera has even bigger plans for floating solar power. The company is working on a 13.4-megawatt project on the Yamakura Dam reservoir, which will be the largest floating solar installation in the world when it starts operation in March 2016.

The plant will be comprised of approximately 50,000 Kyocera modules over a water surface area of 180,000m2. It will generate about 15,635 megawatt hours (MWh) per year, the equivalent of the energy demand of 4,700 typical households.

This is some good info.

 

[Aepsilons]

Why India’s solar sector has turned into a $100 billion investment magnet

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This is interesting...wow, that's so much potential in the State of Rajasthan ! If we look at wasteland availability alone, in Rajasthan , alone, there is nearly 85 thousand square kilometers , and about 142 GW potential , as per the graphs.

To accelerate the decarburization in the Indian power sector, concentrating solar power needs to play an important role. CSP technologies have found significant space in the Jawaharlal Nehru National Solar Mission (JNNSM) of the Indian Government in which some 20,000 MW grid connected solar power projects have been targeted by 2022 with 50% capacity for CSP. Northwest India does seem to have a high potential for the highest annual solar radiation in India, favorable meteorological conditions for CSP and large amount of waste land available for such projects.

Interesting to note that the technical potential is estimated over 1700 GW at an annual direct normal incidence (DNI) over 1800 Wh/m^2 and finally, the economic potential is estimated over 700 GW at an annual DNI over 2000kWh/m^2 in northwestern India (Purohit, Purohit, Shekhar, 2013).


Reference:

Purohit, I., Purohit, P., & Shekhar, S. (2013). Evaluating the potential of concentrating solar power generation in Northwestern India. Energy Policy, 62157-175. doi:10.1016/j.enpol.2013.06.069

Do you think the warmth in India-Japan ties are driven by Abe solely or are all political parties in Japan are similarly enthused by the potential for return the Indian economy offers Japan?

There are two aspects to Indo-Japanese relationship

Economical - Japan's economy is fully developed hence potential for return in very low, interest rates in Japan hover in lower single digits. The Japanese surplus can therefore be invested in high return economies like India. This is a purely commercial aspect of relationship with no strategic dimensions as there are very few stable economies like India who have a similar potential for growth. China is one but Japan has already invested quite a bit in China and doesn't want to be over-leveraged in case Chinese equity bubble bursts.

Strategic - Japan is looking towards India as an option to diversify its military dependence on USA. There is a feeling in certain section of Japanese establishment that USA is increasingly going to be inward looking. Therefore a time may arise in future where USA is no longer able or willing to go to war with China in case China forcibly occupies some Japanese territories which they consider disputed.

Japan hence will need all the allies they can get and China wouldn't want to open a two front conflict with India and Japan as Japan has one of the finest navies and Indian's too are not minnows. Realistically speaking China would be approaching US level of naval might in next two decades. Japan and India alone cannot contain China but together they just might.

I am also very exited about joint Indo- Japanese naval exercises in Bay of Bengal.

Plans were for India-Japan - USA joint Malabar Naval Exercise but China is quite touchy about any trilateral or quadrilateral groupings and considers it to be anti-china. Indian Govt had accepted Chinese Concerns and therefore not invited Japan or Australia along with USA in Malabar exercises. But looking at how Chinese are just brushing aside Indian Concerns - They blocked UNSC resolutions against Lakhvi a known terrorist in Pakistan and blocked Indian membership in NSG, India might overlook China this one time to send a message.

As for my background, I am a financial analyst for Japanese Embassy in New Delhi

Im honored to have met your acquaintance here , Sir @Spectre ! And as one who works for the Japanese Embassy in New Delhi, its great to touch base with someone in politics. As per your analysis, buddy, very accurate...! I look forward to interacting with you again.

 

[Spectre]

Im honored to have met your acquaintance here , Sir @Spectre ! And as one who works for the Japanese Embassy in New Delhi, its great to touch base with someone in politics. As per your analysis, buddy, very accurate...! I look forward to interacting with you again.

Likewise, I have the greatest of respect of Japanese people and their culture. I visit Japan twice a year and love my time out there. Maybe next time I visit, we can touch base.

Genki de!

 

[Aepsilons]

Likewise, I have the greatest of respect of Japanese people and their culture. I visit Japan twice a year and love my time out there. Maybe next time I visit, we can touch base.

Ohayō gozaimasu

There's so many overlapping interests both Japan and India share and definitely a potential for increased strategic cooperation between the two nations. I've always been a firm believer that India, Australia, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea and the United States are potent centrifugal forces to keep stability in the Indian and Pacific Ocean Region(s). Gonsidering the fact that most of the world's trade traverses through these two oceans. You mentioned Exercise Malabar in your last post --- i agree that that's one platform in how Japan and India and the United States can coordinate with each other for maritime freedom of navigation and maritime stability.

Glad to know you also been to Japan, buddy. I'm originally from Sapporo, but currently finishing up some work in the 'states.

PS. How do you like working in the Japanese Embassy?

 

[Spectre]

There's so many overlapping interests both Japan and India share and definitely a potential for increased strategic cooperation between the two nations. I've always been a firm believer that India, Australia, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea and the United States are potent centrifugal forces to keep stability in the Indian and Pacific Ocean Region(s). Gonsidering the fact that most of the world's trade traverses through these two oceans. You mentioned Exercise Malabar in your last post --- i agree that that's one platform in how Japan and India and the United States can coordinate with each other for maritime freedom of navigation and maritime stability.

Glad to know you also been to Japan, buddy. I'm originally from Sapporo, but currently finishing up some work in the 'states.

PS. How do you like working in the Japanese Embassy?

It is great. The best part is I get all the Indian holidays as leave and Japanese ones too and weekends are off too. So it's not too hectic and leaves me a lot of time to pursue my other interests.

The second thing is everyone is very courteous and ethical. I have worked for American and French Embassy too in past but their work ethic leaves a lot to be desired. Westerners always want me to use my Indian connections to get them favors in India but Japanese Embassy Folks never try to take advantage of their Indian employees.

The Ambassador is also extremely humble, initially i had heard a lot about how Japanese people are very hierarchical and you should never approach some one as high as ambassador directly. But once i joined the embassy he personally invited me to dinner with his family and asked me to approach him directly regarding any matter. I never had that kind of access with ambassadors of other countries.

He even came to my wedding and visited my home when my son was born.

I must say a large share of credit regarding Indo-Japanese relationship goes to your ambassador.

I can't discuss much about the relationship between our countries outside of what is publicly known but just let me tell you that Party has just Started!