Japan is very angry! China Indonesia high speed railway is about to be completed, why not India?

[etylo]

Go eat some pangolin dung and child piss eggs

Urine-soaked eggs a spring taste treat in China city

It's the end of a school day in the eastern Chinese city of Dongyang, and eager parents collect their children after a hectic day of primary school.

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Hindu group offers cow urine in a bid to ward off coronavirus

A Hindu group hosted a cow urine drinking party on Saturday as they believe it wards off the coronavirus, as many Hindus consider the cow sacred and some drink cow urine believing it has medicinal properties.

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[Baba_Yaga]

Yes. The Great Leap Forward killed about 15 million people. At the same time, the Great Leap Forward has also brought China's industrial base and modern agricultural facilities. This is also an important reason why China can finally become an industrialized country ahead of India.

I am not interested in debating whether this is a wrong judgment. At least China has lost and gained.

During the COVID period, India caused 4 million deaths due to wrong judgments, which is 30% of the death toll of the Great Leap Forward, but India did not gain anything. The deaths of Indians are worthless.

Wrong, at least 50 million, not 15. India covid deaths killed 95% old people who were 10-15 years away from their deaths, so population growth will still be on track and not affected, young and middle aged people were unaffected. Great leap forward killed all sorts of people, and oh boy, directly after than the one child policy that affected 400 million births , great judgement at display again. Please impose this great judgement once more, so there will be even lesser chinese 30 years from now.

 

[MH.Yang]

Wrong, at least 50 million, not 15. India covid deaths killed 95% old people who were 10-15 years away from their deaths, so population growth will still be on track and not affectedm young and middle aged people survived unaffected. Great leap forward killed all sorts of people, and oh boy, directly after than the one child policy that affected 400 million births , great judgement at display again. Please impose this great judgement once more, so there will be even lesser chinese 30 years from now.

Do you think no one can expose the lies of Indians?

okya, let's analyze the census data released by the indian government.


In 2018, the population of India was 1369003306.

In 2019, the population of India was 1383112050.

In 2019, the population of India increased by 14108744.

According to the population growth rate of India in 2019, the population of India should reach 1411329538 in 2021.

However, in 2021, the population of India waz 1407563842.

We can infer that when the Indian government conducts the population census in October 2021, COVID19 has actually caused 3765696 deaths in India.

By October 2021, 3.76 million people had died in India due to COVID19. By October 2022, the death toll should have exceeded 4 million. We can wait for the Indian government to release the data of the 2022 census.

 

[Baba_Yaga]

Hindu group offers cow urine in a bid to ward off coronavirus

A Hindu group hosted a cow urine drinking party on Saturday as they believe it wards off the coronavirus, as many Hindus consider the cow sacred and some drink cow urine believing it has medicinal properties.

www.reuters.com

Its pretty bad, but not as bad as chinese consumption of virgin boy eggs urine

 

[etylo]

Its pretty bad, but not as bad as chinese consumption of virgin boy eggs urine

Oh yesah, in you delusional Julab mind.

 

[MH.Yang]

Its pretty bad, but not as bad as chinese consumption of virgin boy eggs urine

What you said "child pee eggs" comes from Taiwan customs. Well, they are indeed Chinese.

Oh yesah, in you delusional Julab mind.

Because often go out to sea for fishing, fishermen in Taiwan's coastal areas often have joint pain. "child pee eggs" is a traditional medicine for joint pain in Taiwan fishermen.

People in Chinese Mainland have seldom heard of this, but it does exist.

 

[Indos]

Why did you have trouble freeing the land...what exactly was the issue? Did it cause a delay?

Indonesia is a democratic country which means our government cannot just ask people to leave their land for some money, some land there are agricultural land, so it is money making for them. Any way this is also considered as B2B projects between Indonesia SOE and China SOE. They have budget expectation in term of clearing the land for the project, but people who own it of course just dont want to leave if they dont get much benefit from it

 

[JohnyD]

land aquisition for such large project is not an easy task in India..the project team is busy buying land from farmers close to my place and i know how difficult it has been, many ppl have become millionaires overnight as govmt had increased the market price of land to generate more revenue but now have to pay that price for its own project...

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Indonesia is a democratic country which means our government cannot just ask people to leave their land for some money, some land there are agricultural land, so it is money making for them. Any way this is also considered as B2B projects between Indonesia SOE and China SOE. They have budget expectation in term of clearing the land for the project, but people who own it of course just dont want to leave if they dont get much benefit from it

Try and explain that simple concept to the Chinese members here who can't comprehend there will be a huge issue trying to confiscate developed land from 10's of thousands of US citizens to put in HSR lines. The cost just to buy people out will likely exceed the cost of the rail itself.

 

[nahtanbob]

In fact, the efficiency gap between Chinese enterprises and Japanese enterprises is not large. The biggest gap comes from the Indonesian people and government, who are far more excellent and modern than India.

In particular, the Zoko government in Indonesia has been highly praised by Chinese enterprises for their courage in facing difficulties and their spirit of responsibility. This is an excellent government rarely seen in other countries. The cooperation between the two sides is very pleasant.



BTW: We are very grateful to the Indian government for choosing Japanese enterprises over Chinese enterprises. This is our luck.

The efficiency of Chinese projects in Pakistan is for the world to see ala CPEC

Try and explain that simple concept to the Chinese members here who can't comprehend there will be a huge issue trying to confiscate developed land from 10's of thousands of US citizens to put in HSR lines. The cost just to buy people will out will likely exceed the cost of the rail itself.

Individuals do not count in China

 

[MH.Yang]

Try and explain that simple concept to the Chinese members here who can't comprehend there will be a huge issue trying to confiscate developed land from 10's of thousands of US citizens to put in HSR lines. The cost just to buy people will out will likely exceed the cost of the rail itself.

The Chinese government also needs to pay several times the price to buy land. We also have land problems when building roads.

But we will find a solution. And your problem is not just land.



In China, roads often detour because of land problems. We also respect private property:

The efficiency of Chinese projects in Pakistan is for the world to see ala CPEC


Individuals do not count in China

CPEC is at least more successful than your high-speed rail plan.

 

[nahtanbob]

CPEC is at least more successful than your high-speed rail plan.

I do not know what high speed rail you are referring. All I see is $50 billion in CPEC projects completed and zero to little economic benefits for Pakistanis

If American companies invest $50 billion they generate more jobs for the locals

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The Chinese government also needs to pay several times the price to buy land. We also have land problems when building roads.

But we will find a solution. And your problem is not just land.



In China, roads often detour because of land problems. We also respect private property:

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CPEC is at least more successful than your high-speed rail plan.

Yeah, but while you have lone holdouts here and there we have had entire towns and cities being holdouts.

A scale Chinese here simply can't comprehend

60 years ago the Federal Government had to divert a highway to the West around ENTIRE cities due to it being impossible to deal with all the holdouts...who BTW were not a bunch of poor farmers. This was expensive fully-developed real estate.

Plus that west diversion wasn't even a new road. They just made an existing road wider. Even widening that existing road went through some of the wealthiest areas and it wasn't easy.

Imagine the cost today to tear down buildings in the middle of Beijing to put a HSR right down the middle of it. All the people with expensive residential real estate to be paid off. You going to move them all to an outer ring or something and hope they will be happy?

 

[MH.Yang]

I do not know what high speed rail you are referring. All I see is $50 billion in CPEC projects completed and zero to little economic benefits for Pakistanis

If American companies invest $50 billion they generate more jobs for the locals

If CPEC really does not benefit Pakistan or has little benefit, you Indians will not attack it in such a hurry.

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Power Plants

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Power Plants CPEC-Energy Priority Projects Project Name .............................MW........ Estimated Cost(US$ M) 1...... 2×660 MW Coal-fired Power Plants at Port Qasim Karachi 1320 1912.2 2...... Suki Kinari Hydropower Station, Naran,Khyber...

defence.pk

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Agriculture

Next phase of CPEC to include agricultural sector: PM Imran Khan January 1, 2021 ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan said on Friday that the next phase of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) would lay emphasis on the agricultural sector. Speaking at a ceremony in Islamabad, the...

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China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Highways, Airports,Seaports

CPEC Western Route: CDWP approved “Up-gradation, widening and Construction of Surab-Hoshab Highway N-85 (454 km)" worth Rs.28.8 billion.It was open for traffic in Dec 2016. The road was linked Gwadar Port with RCD Highway (N-25) near Surab/Quetta.The road was provided shortest link from Gwadar...

defence.pk

CPEC updates at Gwadar

.,., Successful shipment of the first consignment from Gwadar Free Zone through weboc. This landmark development will facilitate GFZ investors by saving their time, money, and energy.

defence.pk

Yeah, but while you have lone holdouts here and there we have had entire towns and cities being holdouts.

A scale Chinese here simply can't comprehend
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60 years ago the Federal Government had to divert around ENTIRE cities due to it being impossible to deal with all the holdouts...who BTW are not a bunch of poor farmers.

Some roads in China also have been modified to bypass the whole town due to land problems. This is not an unsolvable problem.

Chinese infrastructure enterprises have many projects all over the world. As far as I know, most of the problems they encounter in foreign projects come from local governments, not land.

Or I can say it more clearly. Government factors such as inefficient administration, corruption, lack of professional knowledge and vicious political struggle between parties are the most important reasons.

 

[nahtanbob]

If CPEC really does not benefit Pakistan or has little benefit, you Indians will not attack it in such a hurry.

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Power Plants

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Power Plants CPEC-Energy Priority Projects Project Name .............................MW........ Estimated Cost(US$ M) 1...... 2×660 MW Coal-fired Power Plants at Port Qasim Karachi 1320 1912.2 2...... Suki Kinari Hydropower Station, Naran,Khyber...

defence.pk

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Agriculture

Next phase of CPEC to include agricultural sector: PM Imran Khan January 1, 2021 ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Imran Khan said on Friday that the next phase of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) would lay emphasis on the agricultural sector. Speaking at a ceremony in Islamabad, the...

defence.pk

China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) | Highways, Airports,Seaports

CPEC Western Route: CDWP approved “Up-gradation, widening and Construction of Surab-Hoshab Highway N-85 (454 km)" worth Rs.28.8 billion.It was open for traffic in Dec 2016. The road was linked Gwadar Port with RCD Highway (N-25) near Surab/Quetta.The road was provided shortest link from Gwadar...

defence.pk

CPEC updates at Gwadar

.,., Successful shipment of the first consignment from Gwadar Free Zone through weboc. This landmark development will facilitate GFZ investors by saving their time, money, and energy.

defence.pk

Some roads in China also have been modified to bypass the whole town due to land problems. This is not an unsolvable problem.

Chinese infrastructure enterprises have many projects all over the world. As far as I know, most of the problems they encounter in foreign projects come from local governments, not land.

you can post any random link, random musings from pakistanis praising China bla bla bla. It has not moved the needle. I do not see the vaunted Chinese efficiency. I know Pakistanis are the not best things since sliced bread. But they are not complete idiots.

At the end of the day you spent $50 billion on CPEC projects and the Pakistani economy is in the same mess it is