Japan, faced with rising China, shifts its strategy

[Azadkashmir]

remember that china is still a communist nation. and US hate communism. this communists must be punished for their greediness.

capitalist love communist cos it pays.

 

[S10]

You don´need to care about us. Do care of the poor in China, especially the rural people. That is a great shame for a rich country like China seeing five homeless kids found dead in trash container recently.

Take the money from corrupt officals and give to the poor, fight the injustice!

Checked the CPI for corruption ranking lately? Here is a hint: China is doing better than you.

 

[Knight of Tang]

It's really funny that what you see is totally different from what I see here in this forum. I admit that there were many sincere congrats from Americans, Indians and even Vietnamese to our achievements, however, at least equal amount of insults and bashes were there for us to swallow. What do you expect we Chinese to respond? It's the reality, we accept it, it is power the most persuasive language around the world after all. So if you say Liaoning won't last for 5 seconds with 10 of your supercarrier, I'd say we won't be that stupid to use a training ship to fight against your battleships, Dong Feng 21D & 25's are there for your supercarrier. I won't expect your supercarrier to last more than 5 seconds either. That's it!

It's funny how Chinese on this forum think.

When it's their own military, they go up and down and open multiple thread to brag about their aircraft, carrier and etc. But when it come down to other's military achievement. They go up and down and said "This is not gonna happen", "Chinese are better and stronger and don't care","China will come down and kick their butt".........

What Japanese want is their business, who they are targeting is also their internal affair, if Chinese say no then does it mean Japan should stop developing what they are developing? They should be allowed to do whatever R&D and arms procurment if they were lied in acceptance level and keep it fair and square. Should they be Japanese own business??

Not just Japanese, vietnamese, filipino, even with the US's F-35 developement, they are already in Mass production phase, yet somehow some Chinese user in this forum say F-35 is not going to happen.....When vietnamese get their's Su-30, they are joy for their achievement, yet the chinese in this forum say More food for Chinese fighter, it won't last 1 hour with the mighty CHinese airforce......How about this, if you start another Liaoning thread, i keep saying it won't last 5 second with 10 of our supercarrier? How about that??

American in this forum express their congratuated view on Chinese first Carrier, Indian in this forum express their congratuated view on Chinese first Carrier, can Chinese just did the same??
Can chinese just look at military achievement of other nation their own business but rather all the world is against Chinese, otherwise why don't the mod just allow bragging of Chinese and Pakistani military achievement and not allow the other, well heck, they are gonna shoot to shxt by the Chinese anyway, what big to post then??

really had enough of these kind of international bashing to be honest.

 

[rcrmj]

Well pal, no need to defend for what we are lacking. It's really a shame on all of our Chinese to see those kids die there in a trash bin. What "Viet" says ain't without any merits, it's fair from my perspective and it should be what we are fighting for.

yes``it is indeed a great shame to us and our society to let this happening```my point is, it wouldnt be such a huge news if we didnt think its a big deal```

what i am saying is that when a failed student laughs at a hard work catching-up student, it is really ludicrous

 

[Viet]

back to the topic:

Thanks to your hostility, Japan rethinks its military strategy, it realises it cannot rely fully on the US in an event of a conflict. Since Vietnam faces a similar threat, it is just natural that both parties come together.

I welcome Japanese military aid, they have a lot of nice stuffs.

Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa, right, and his Vietnamese counterpart, Phung Quang Thanh, on Oct. 24 (The Asahi Shimbun)

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

Friday, Aug. 19, 2011


Indonesians to get book on Japanese freedom fighter
Contribution of WWII veterans overlooked in land they helped free

By CHRISTINE T. TJANDRANINGSIH
Kyodo

JAKARTA — The Indonesian-language version of a Japanese book depicting the little-known story of a Japanese man who fought for Indonesia's freedom.

Sakari Ono

The book is "Zanryu Nihon-hei no Shinjitsu" ("The True Story of a Japanese Soldier Who Stayed Behind"), written by Eiichi Hayashi and published in 2007.

The book tells the true story of Sakari Ono, who fought alongside Indonesian independence troops against the Dutch colonial forces.

Ono, whose Indonesian name is Rahmat, was one of an estimated 1,000 Japanese soldiers who deserted and stayed behind in Indonesia, mostly on the islands of Sumatra, Java and Bali, after the Japanese surrendered to the Allies on Aug. 15, 1945.

After the war, some never returned to Japan. Ono, 92, now lives in a modest house in the village of Sidomulyo, near the hilly resort town of Batu in East Java Province.

The Indonesian version of the book is expected to go on sale in early September and will be officially launched on Sept. 14 at the Japan Foundation, according to an employee at publisher Penerbit Ombak.

Historians welcome the publication of the book, saying it will increase awareness among Indonesian readers of an overlooked chapter in the country's history.

"It will give another description on the presence of Japan in Indonesia in Indonesian history," said Bambang Purwanto, a historian at Gadjah Mada University in Yogyakarta.

Masashi Nishihara, president of the Research Institute for Peace and Security, agrees, saying most of the former Japanese soldiers who fought for Indonesia's independence were either discriminated against or live in obscurity.

"There are very few reports telling the life of former Japanese soldiers fighting for Indonesia's independence and both Indonesian and Japanese people don't care much about them now," Nishihara said.

Historian Asvi Warman Adam of the Indonesian Science Institute, however, said that if Indonesian historians or writers don't write about this aspect of history, it isn't out of ill feelings toward Japan for occupying the Dutch East Indies for approximately three years during World War II.

"It is only because of access to data," Adam said. "Indonesian researchers and historians do not have complete, deep data about this issue as the Japanese ones do."

For those reasons, he said, the book will serve to raise interest in the history of Indonesia.

Setting the record straight: The Indonesian translation of a book about a Japanese soldier who fought alongside Indonesian independence troops against the Dutch has already been published. KYODO PHOTO

Based on several interviews with Ono, Hayashi said some Japanese soldiers stayed by choice, either because they already had local girlfriends or wives, or they just were looking to survive or had other reasons. Many also feared court-martial or being tried as a war criminal.

According to Hayashi, among those fighting for Indonesia's independence, only a few, including Ono, were really inspired by the country's burgeoning nationalist movement.

The Japanese soldiers are nowadays known in Japanese as "zanryu Nihon-hei" or Japanese soldiers who stayed behind. But at one time, they were also labeled "dasso Nihon-hei" or Japanese deserters.

"That is why the publication will be very meaningful. Hayashi will give Indonesians good stuff that provides another look into their own modern history," Nishihara said.

Born Sept. 26, 1918, in Hokkaido, Ono, who lost his left arm in the war, was in his early 20s when he was sent to Indonesia in the Imperial Japanese Army. During his assignment, he interacted with Indonesian soldiers.

From them, he heard many stories of how badly Japanese soldiers had treated local people and how they felt that Japan might break its promise of granting independence to Indonesia.

That became a turning point in his life, motivating him to join the rapidly forming Indonesian nationalist military forces.

Ono joined the Special Guerrilla Forces, led by another former Japanese soldier, Tatsuo "Abdul Rachman" Ichiki, fighting for Indonesian independence in East Java's South Semeru Province.

They also provided tactical leadership, weapons and training to the ramshackle Indonesian forces. But, according to Hayashi, the contribution of the Japanese soldiers doesn't appear in either Japanese or Indonesian history textbooks.

At the Proclamation Museum in Central Jakarta, the historic site of the country's declaration of independence, there is a permanent display detailing the role of the Japanese colonialists in the events leading up to Aug. 17, 1945, the date independence was declared and armed resistance officially began.

Among the details is how Adm. Tadashi Maeda, chief of the Imperial Japanese Army's liaison office in Indonesia, provided the late President Sukarno, late Vice President Mohammad Hatta and other key figures of the independence movement the use of his house to make their proclamation.

The museum also covers the 1945-1950 guerilla war, but the display doesn't mention the Japanese soldiers who provided them with arms, weapons training and military strategy.

The war against the returning Dutch ended on Dec. 27, 1949, when The Hague withdrew all forces from Indonesia and recognized its sovereignty.

In 1958, Ono was awarded the Bintang Veteran (Veteran Medal) by Sukarno and the Bintang Gerilya (Guerrilla Medal), which accords him a plot at Kalibata Heroes' Cemetery in Jakarta.

Since 1982, the Indonesian government has also extended an invitation to the former Japanese soldiers to attend the commemoration of Independence Day at the State Palace, showing how their contributions and sacrifices have come to be more widely recognized.

Hayashi, who earlier went to Indonesia only to take an Indonesian-language course, was interested in Ono's story when he met him in 2004 and decided to write the book.

Eiichi Hayashi the writer with Rahmat Sakari Ono

Wee bit Off-Topic but it's a Nice Story I wanted to to convey

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Your words reminds me of an old Chinese saying: where there's milk, there's a mom. Enjoy their goodwill then
But could anyone tell me when and where did Japs admit their failure to Viets?

We forgive all the crimes of the former enemies, toward to the future.

When in battles, we fought against them with everything we have. But when the wars ended, we enjoy our victories instead remain in hatred with them.

Enjoy your hatred, do not entice us into hatred. OK?

 

[EastSea]

Friday, Aug. 19, 2011


Indonesians to get book on Japanese freedom fighter
Contribution of WWII veterans overlooked in land they helped free

By CHRISTINE T. TJANDRANINGSIH
Kyodo

JAKARTA — The Indonesian-language version of a Japanese book depicting the little-known story of a Japanese man who fought for Indonesia's freedom.

Sakari Ono

The book is "Zanryu Nihon-hei no Shinjitsu" ("The True Story of a Japanese Soldier Who Stayed Behind"), written by Eiichi Hayashi and published in 2007.

The book tells the true story of Sakari Ono, who fought alongside Indonesian independence troops against the Dutch colonial forces.

Ono, whose Indonesian name is Rahmat, was one of an estimated 1,000 Japanese soldiers who deserted and stayed behind in Indonesia, mostly on the islands of Sumatra, Java and Bali, after the Japanese surrendered to the Allies on Aug. 15, 1945.

After the war, some never returned to Japan. Ono, 92, now lives in a modest house in the village of Sidomulyo, near the hilly resort town of Batu in East Java Province.

The Indonesian version of the book is expected to go on sale in early September and will be officially launched on Sept. 14 at the Japan Foundation, according to an employee at publisher Penerbit Ombak.

Historians welcome the publication of the book, saying it will increase awareness among Indonesian readers of an overlooked chapter in the country's history.

"It will give another description on the presence of Japan in Indonesia in Indonesian history," said Bambang Purwanto, a historian at Gadjah Mada University in Yogyakarta.

Masashi Nishihara, president of the Research Institute for Peace and Security, agrees, saying most of the former Japanese soldiers who fought for Indonesia's independence were either discriminated against or live in obscurity.

"There are very few reports telling the life of former Japanese soldiers fighting for Indonesia's independence and both Indonesian and Japanese people don't care much about them now," Nishihara said.

Historian Asvi Warman Adam of the Indonesian Science Institute, however, said that if Indonesian historians or writers don't write about this aspect of history, it isn't out of ill feelings toward Japan for occupying the Dutch East Indies for approximately three years during World War II.

"It is only because of access to data," Adam said. "Indonesian researchers and historians do not have complete, deep data about this issue as the Japanese ones do."

For those reasons, he said, the book will serve to raise interest in the history of Indonesia.

Setting the record straight: The Indonesian translation of a book about a Japanese soldier who fought alongside Indonesian independence troops against the Dutch has already been published. KYODO PHOTO

Based on several interviews with Ono, Hayashi said some Japanese soldiers stayed by choice, either because they already had local girlfriends or wives, or they just were looking to survive or had other reasons. Many also feared court-martial or being tried as a war criminal.

According to Hayashi, among those fighting for Indonesia's independence, only a few, including Ono, were really inspired by the country's burgeoning nationalist movement.

The Japanese soldiers are nowadays known in Japanese as "zanryu Nihon-hei" or Japanese soldiers who stayed behind. But at one time, they were also labeled "dasso Nihon-hei" or Japanese deserters.

"That is why the publication will be very meaningful. Hayashi will give Indonesians good stuff that provides another look into their own modern history," Nishihara said.

Born Sept. 26, 1918, in Hokkaido, Ono, who lost his left arm in the war, was in his early 20s when he was sent to Indonesia in the Imperial Japanese Army. During his assignment, he interacted with Indonesian soldiers.

From them, he heard many stories of how badly Japanese soldiers had treated local people and how they felt that Japan might break its promise of granting independence to Indonesia.

That became a turning point in his life, motivating him to join the rapidly forming Indonesian nationalist military forces.

Ono joined the Special Guerrilla Forces, led by another former Japanese soldier, Tatsuo "Abdul Rachman" Ichiki, fighting for Indonesian independence in East Java's South Semeru Province.

They also provided tactical leadership, weapons and training to the ramshackle Indonesian forces. But, according to Hayashi, the contribution of the Japanese soldiers doesn't appear in either Japanese or Indonesian history textbooks.

At the Proclamation Museum in Central Jakarta, the historic site of the country's declaration of independence, there is a permanent display detailing the role of the Japanese colonialists in the events leading up to Aug. 17, 1945, the date independence was declared and armed resistance officially began.

Among the details is how Adm. Tadashi Maeda, chief of the Imperial Japanese Army's liaison office in Indonesia, provided the late President Sukarno, late Vice President Mohammad Hatta and other key figures of the independence movement the use of his house to make their proclamation.

The museum also covers the 1945-1950 guerilla war, but the display doesn't mention the Japanese soldiers who provided them with arms, weapons training and military strategy.

The war against the returning Dutch ended on Dec. 27, 1949, when The Hague withdrew all forces from Indonesia and recognized its sovereignty.

In 1958, Ono was awarded the Bintang Veteran (Veteran Medal) by Sukarno and the Bintang Gerilya (Guerrilla Medal), which accords him a plot at Kalibata Heroes' Cemetery in Jakarta.

Since 1982, the Indonesian government has also extended an invitation to the former Japanese soldiers to attend the commemoration of Independence Day at the State Palace, showing how their contributions and sacrifices have come to be more widely recognized.

Hayashi, who earlier went to Indonesia only to take an Indonesian-language course, was interested in Ono's story when he met him in 2004 and decided to write the book.

Eiichi Hayashi the writer with Rahmat Sakari Ono

Wee bit Off-Topic but it's a Nice Story I wanted to to convey

It should be same story in Vietnam. Former JBIC chef Representative in Hanoi, he is son of one japanese soldier who was joint in to guerrilla group of Ho Chi Minh after WWII to fighting against France Colonial.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Leader of Japan including Emperor Japan said about it with all people in region. But idiot chinese leaders didn't said apologize to Vietnamese people when China attacked Vietnam 1979, killed innocent Vietnamese.

We do not need them apologizing when we have forced them kneeling and spank them.
Just need now they do not continue to bother us anymore.

back to the topic:

Thanks to your hostility, Japan rethinks its military strategy, it realises it cannot rely fully on the US in an event of a conflict. Since Vietnam faces a similar threat, it is just natural that both parties come together.

I welcome Japanese military aid, they have a lot of nice stuffs.

Defense Minister Yasuo Ichikawa, right, and his Vietnamese counterpart, Phung Quang Thanh, on Oct. 24 (The Asahi Shimbun)

Yes, I think Vietnam-Japan continue to cooperate in all fields, including military.

 

[Knight of Tang]

Another daydreamer? We took you as practice field for our different military districts, that's what you called kneeling and spank?
What you wish is also what we expect, get the hell out off our territory and leave our fishermen undisturbed or you'll see whose assss is gonna be spanked!

We do not need them apologizing when we have forced them kneeling and spank them.
Just need now they do not continue to bother us anymore.

 

[Battle of Bach Dang River]

Another daydreamer? We took you as practice field for our different military districts, that's what you called kneeling and spank?
What you wish is also what we expect, get the hell out off our territory and leave our fishermen undisturbed or you'll see whose assss is gonna be spanked!

No, a nightdreamer!

You do not know, but everybody know that. Yes, I know it's not your mistake, it is mistakes of CCP. They did not tell you the truth...

 

[Viet]

Another daydreamer? We took you as practice field for our different military districts, that's what you called kneeling and spank?
What you wish is also what we expect, get the hell out off our territory and leave our fishermen undisturbed or you'll see whose assss is gonna be spanked!

The Japanese know how to spank you. It is time to teach you again a lesson!


'No to Beijing terrorists': Right wing acrivists hold national flags and placards to protest against China in Tokyo on September 22, 2012 (AFP Photo / Rie Ishi)

 

[Reashot Xigwin]

This Thread is about the Japanese Defense Cooperation with the Southeast Asia.

291
Multi-layered Security Cooperation with the International
Community
Chapter 3
6
Defense Cooperation and Exchanges with Southeast Asian Countries
Southeast Asian countries are located in an area strategically
important for maritime traffic that connects Japan with the
Middle East and Europe, and have long been traditional part-
ners, having close economic relations with Japan. Promoting
trust and cooperative relations for issues in various security
challenges with these countries is meaningful for both Japan
and Southeast Asian countries. Moreover, as the countries
of Southeast Asia are members of ADMM-Plus and ARF, it
is important to build relationships of trust and cooperation
with each country, with a view to cooperation in multilateral
frameworks.
In particular, as well as the interaction with Indonesia,
Vietnam, Singapore and the Philippines detailed below, Japan
is engaged in active exchanges of opinions with Cambodia,
Malaysia and Thailand at various levels, concerning approaches
to defense cooperation and exchange, and frameworks for
regional security cooperation. In addition, Japan is proactively
engaged in discussions with defense officials, unit exchanges,
and the dispatch and hosting of international students.
Furthermore, we are also striving to strengthen relationships
with Myanmar, Brunei Darussalam, and Laos, with which
defense cooperation and exchange has not been very intensive.

1) Indonesia
Indonesia accounts for the majority of the land and population
of Southeast Asia and is a major power in the region, as well
as being the largest island country in the world. In the talks
between Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister of Defense
Watanabe and Defense Minister Purnomo during the June 2012
Shangri-La Dialogue, as well as during Minister Purnomo's
visit to Japan in January 2011, Japan exchanged opinions with
Indonesia regarding the holding of regular discussions between
the defense ministers of the two countries, as well as concerning
a memorandum on defense cooperation and cooperation in the
ADMM-Plus framework. In addition to this, great progress has
been made in defense cooperation and exchange through the
visit to Japan by the Vice-Minister of Defense in September
2011, as well as talks at the army, navy and air force chief of
staff level held during FY2011. In particular, when Minister
Purnomo visited Japan in January 2011, Indonesia presented
Japan with the gift of a bronze statue of General Sudirman,
who had close links to Japan. This statue of the General
symbolizes the development of friendship and amicable
cooperation between Japan and Indonesia. Moreover, when
President Yudhoyono visited Japan in June 2011, he and then
Prime Minister Kan agreed to institute regular talks between the
defense ministers of their countries. There have been numerous
developments at the working level, including the discussions
involving the foreign affairs and defense authorities that began
in November 2011, discussions between the defense authorities
alone, and the sharing of knowledge and experience through
various education and research exchange initiatives.

2) Vietnam
Vietnam is a major power in Southeast Asia, and is a strategic
partner for peace and prosperity in Asia. Japan is deepening
cooperation with Vietnam, not only in economic fields, but also
in the fields of security and defense. A Japan-Vietnam Joint
Statement was published when Vietnamese Prime Minister
Dung visited Japan in October 2011; in addition, the same
month, Defense Minister Thanh became the first Vietnamese
Defense Minister to visit Japan in 13 years, holding talks
with Japan's Minister of Defense at which the two ministers
exchanged opinions concerning the international and regional
security situations, including maritime security. Following
the talks, the two ministers signed a memorandum concerning
Japan-Vietnam defense cooperation and exchange, and agreed
to promote high-level exchanges, regular dialogue at the vice-
ministerial level, and cooperation in such fields as humanitarian
aid and disaster relief, so it was an important visit in terms
of the development of the strategic partnership. Moreover, in
January 2012, Parliamentary Vice-Minister of Defense Shimojo
visited Vietnam, where, as well as making a courtesy visit to
Defense Minister Thanh, he conducted an exchange of opinions
with the Vietnamese Vice-Minister of Defense, discussing the
regional affairs, as well as Japan-Vietnam defense cooperation.
Thus, Japan has put in place a memorandum on defense
cooperation and exchange with Vietnam, as well as developing
defense cooperation and exchange frameworks, such as for
high-level exchange.
In addition, in December 2011, the 2nd Japan-Vietnam
Strategic Partnership Dialogue (between the foreign affairs and
Then Minister of Defense Ichikawa and Vietnamese Defense Minister Thanh signing the
Memorandum of Understanding on Japan-Vietnam Defense Cooperation and Exchange and talks between the
Japanese and Vietnamese defense authorities alone took place
in December 2011. It is significant to strengthen relationships
in order to achieve more concrete, practical cooperation, with
the memorandum on defense cooperation and exchange as the
cornerstone of this.

3) Singapore
In December 2009, Singapore became the first country in
Southeast Asia with which Japan concluded a memorandum
on defense cooperation and exchange, and cooperative
relationships progress steadily based on this memorandum. In
particular, MM talks between the defense authorities of Japan
and Singapore have the longest history of any of Japan's defense
discussions with the countries of Southeast Asia; in November
2011, 12th MM talks was held in Singapore and various issues
were discussed including regional situation and security issues.
In terms of high-level exchange, at the Shangri-La Dialogue
in June 2012, Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister of Defense
Watanabe held talks with Singaporean Defense Minister Dr.
Ng, at which they exchanged opinions concerning the regional
situation and maritime security, as well as agreeing to engage
in further cooperation in the ADMM-Plus Military Medicine
Expert Working Group (EWG), which the two countries co-
chair.

4) The Philippines
As well as high-level exchanges with the Philippines, such as
the September 2011 visit to Japan by Undersecretary of the
Philippine Department of National Defense and the June 2012
visit to Philippines by Parliamentary Senior Vice-Minister of
Defense Watanabe, there have been frequent exchanges among
the working level officials, including visits by naval vessels and
discussions between the defense authorities of the two countries.
In particular, exchanges between the MSDF and the Philippine
Navy were discussed at the first Japan-Philippines Dialogue
on Maritime and Oceanic Affairs, which was held in Tokyo
in September 2011. In the Japan-Philippines Joint Statement
issued by President Aquino and Prime Minister Noda at the time
of the former's visit to Japan the same month, the two leaders
welcomed the Japan-Philippines Dialogue on Maritime and
Oceanic Affairs and agreed that they would promote exchange
and cooperation between the defense authorities of the two
countries, through such initiatives as reciprocal visits at the
naval chief of staff level and port calls in the Philippines by the
MSDF vessels. Having been stipulated in the Joint Statement,
the MSDF Chief of Staff visited the Philippines in November
2011, while the Flag Officer of the Philippine Navy visited
Japan in April 2012; in addition, talks between the foreign
affairs and defense authorities of both countries and between the
defense authorities alone were held in Manila in March 2012.

Taken from Japan Defense 2012 (HTML version) from page 312. About Japanese proposed plan for the Southeast Asia.

Source: Page 312

 

[EastSea]

You Viets were innocent? Go back to say these words to those Cambodians please. No matter how hard we fought with your army, it ain't our aim to kill your civilians, no massacres happened back then. So I don't see anything in common between these two wars. Don't act like idiots by calling everyone holds different viewpoints idiots please, even your two fellas here perform more decently than you.

The common things of two war is that Agressors (USA, China) invaded in to Vietnam land and killed innocent vietnamese, other than China backed Khmer Rouge attaced Vietnam from 1975-1978. The aggrssors were loser, they are idiot.

 

[Knight of Tang]

Have you ever participated in that war? How can you be so sure about what you know is the truth? I'm willing to see some "truth" from your side.

No, a nightdreamer!

You do not know, but everybody know that. Yes, I know it's not your mistake, it is mistakes of CCP. They did not tell you the truth...

Come on, it's too lame...I'm also willing to see how Japs gonna spank us again nowadays!

The Japanese know how to spank you. It is time to teach you again a lesson!


'No to Beijing terrorists': Right wing acrivists hold national flags and placards to protest against China in Tokyo on September 22, 2012 (AFP Photo / Rie Ishi)