It's Time to Kick Erdogan's Turkey Out of NATO

[MadDog]

ISIS were guest in the White House? Well, then I'm sure you should have no problem at all proving that fact with some evidence.

I am again, willing to post literally dozens of authoritative links with evidence of Pakistan's deep ties with militant "terrorists" groups, of ISI's intimate involvement with them, of the Pak Army's cooperation with them so I say again, before you criticise someone else's country on that score, perhaps you should look to your own.

Ronald Reagan equated these militants to the founding fathers of US , here are some pics of jallaludin haqqani and hekmatyar with President Ronald Reagan in white house, both of whom are top terror suspects today.

Because it would be completely hypocritical when Pakistan's hands are dripping with the blood of it's terrorist allies, those it has had deep ties with, supported and still supports. You still just don't get that!

Pakistani support for extremists persists | Asia | DW.COM | 29.04.2013

Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

US was one of the first countries to recognize Taliban govt in Afghanistan, infact in an official statement US welcomed their coming to power in Kabul, when Talibs refused to give the pipeline contract to Unocol and selected an Argentinian company instead, US broke off all ties and they suddenly became antagonists.
US State Dept has referred to Taliban as "dialogue partners" and refuse to call them terrorists, while referring to IS as terrorists in the same breath, if you want I can post that video. Former US vice president Joe Biden had categorically stated Talibs aren't the enemy. So instead of giving a lecture to Pakistan, why don't you convince your own govt first, who are busy talking to the Talib representatives in Islamabad these days.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Ronald Reagan equated these militants to the founding fathers of US , here are some pics of jallaludin haqqani and hekmatyar with President Ronald Reagan in white house, both of whom are top terror suspects today.

US was one of the first countries to recognize Taliban govt in Afghanistan, infact in an official statement US welcomed their coming to power in Kabul, when Talibs refused to give the pipeline contract to Unocol and selected an Argentinian company instead, US broke off all ties and they suddenly became antagonists.
US State Dept has referred to Taliban as "dialogue partners" and refuse to call them terrorists, while referring to IS as terrorists in the same breath, if you want I can post that video. Former US vice president Joe Biden had categorically stated Talibs aren't the enemy. So instead of giving a lecture to Pakistan, why don't you convince your own govt first, who are busy talking to the Talib representatives in Islamabad these days.

Have you even bothered to actually READ any of the posts in this thread? I'm assuming you havn't as this has already been asked and answered.

1. Why do you make the assumption that I am unaware of what you have posted? I do not deny it and never have.

2. What I HAVE stated is how completely and totally hypocritical it is for any Pakistani to criticize America on this score because the even BIGGER friend and sponsor of the Taliban and other extremist groups in Afghanistan, including today is of course...PAKISTAN!!! Just as I posted earlier, here...

Riedel: The war against the Soviets in Afghanistan was run by Zia, not by us | Foreign Policy

Understanding Pakistan's Pro-Taliban Afghan Policy on JSTOR

Inter-Services Intelligence activities in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It is widely agreed that after Hekmatyar failed to take over power in Afghanistan, the ISI helped to found the Afghan Taliban. The ISI in conjunction with other parts of the Pakistan military subsequently provided financial, logistical, military and direct combat support to the Taliban until the September 11 attacks of 2001."

The ISI’s Great Game in Afghanistan | The Diplomat

"During the Soviet-Afghan War – during which American arms were shipped into Afghanistan through the ISI – Pakistani spymasters channeled funds and arms into the hands of their favorite militant groups, often the most retrogressive and extremist of the Mujahedeen."

And Pakistan still is!

ISI arming and training us, claim ‘Taliban commanders’ - The Express Tribune

NATO Report Claims Pakistan's ISI Still Behind Taliban in Afghanistan | TIME.com

WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Opinion | The Guardian

The key to solving the puzzle of Afghanistan is Pakistan - The Washington Post

And I could go on, and on, and on, and on...

 

[New World]

Because it would be completely hypocritical when Pakistan's hands are dripping with the blood of it's terrorist allies, those it has had deep ties with, supported and still supports. You still just don't get that!

Pakistani support for extremists persists | Asia | DW.COM | 29.04.2013

Pakistan: "The Taliban's Godfather"?

wow! the biggest supporter of terrorists group from South America to Asia is now giving lectures and calling other hypocritical..
you had destroyed a whole Iraq for nothing killing hundred of thousands civilians there and those who left iraq to save themselves, you guys didn't even spare them and create ISIS to kill the remaining..

 

[Desertfalcon]

wow! the biggest supporter of terrorists group from South America to Asia is now giving lectures and calling other hypocritical..

NO, I am NOT! You are! That is entirely my point! I did NOT bring up Pakistan's long and deep ties to terrorist extremist until YOU arrogantly and hypocritically wanted to criticize MY country’s involvement while ignoring your own!

Do you just not get that? Are you really just that ignorant, hypocritical or arrogant that you can't see that? That a Pakistani would criticise America for ties to Islamic extremists when their OWN country, ISI, Pak Army, government, has had years and years and years of supporting such extremists is the epitome of shameless audacity!

 

[New World]

NO, I am NOT! You are! That is entirely my point! I did NOT bring up Pakistan's long and deep ties to terrorist extremist until YOU arrogantly and hypocritically wanted to criticize MY country’s involvement while ignoring your own!

Do you just not get that? Are you really just that ignorant, hypocritical or arrogant that you can't see that? That a Pakistani would criticise America for ties to Islamic extremists when their OWN country, ISI, Pak Army, government, has had years and years and years of supporting such extremists is the epitome of shameless audacity!

When did i deny that ISI is supporting Taliban?

Before calling others ignorant see my previous comment in which i had already stated that i know we are supporting Taliban but not the ISIS.. but YOU as usual the Ignorant rant that Pak is supporting ISIS..

 

[Desertfalcon]

but YOU as usual the Ignorant rant that Pak is supporting ISIS..

Nowhere did I say that Pakistan was supporting ISIS so clearly you don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Hiptullha]

Rand Paul? Mr. Conspiracy nut, himself?

Not to mention the fact that unlike Paul, I am happy to post literally, dozens of authoritative reports of Pakistan's, the ISI, Pak Army's long, long, history of terrorists ties. Perhaps you should worry about your own country's history and actions before criticizing others. It takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah for a Pakistani to castigate America in that regard.

If we're going by that book, you're quoting a guy who was begging the US to take over his own country and OK'd hundreds of visas for CIA operatives - a traitor.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Turkey is the only nation in NATO willing take Russians headon.

Remove Turkey from NATO, you have a bunch of pussy states who cannot make up their minds while Russians draw closer.

 

[MadDog]

Have you even bothered to actually READ any of the posts in this thread? I'm assuming you havn't as this has already been asked and answered.

1. Why do you make the assumption that I am unaware of what you have posted? I do not deny it and never have.

2. What I HAVE stated is how completely and totally hypocritical it is for any Pakistani to criticize America on this score because the even BIGGER friend and sponsor of the Taliban and other extremist groups in Afghanistan, including today is of course...PAKISTAN!!! Just as I posted earlier, here...

Riedel: The war against the Soviets in Afghanistan was run by Zia, not by us | Foreign Policy

Understanding Pakistan's Pro-Taliban Afghan Policy on JSTOR

Inter-Services Intelligence activities in Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"It is widely agreed that after Hekmatyar failed to take over power in Afghanistan, the ISI helped to found the Afghan Taliban. The ISI in conjunction with other parts of the Pakistan military subsequently provided financial, logistical, military and direct combat support to the Taliban until the September 11 attacks of 2001."

The ISI’s Great Game in Afghanistan | The Diplomat

"During the Soviet-Afghan War – during which American arms were shipped into Afghanistan through the ISI – Pakistani spymasters channeled funds and arms into the hands of their favorite militant groups, often the most retrogressive and extremist of the Mujahedeen."

And Pakistan still is!

ISI arming and training us, claim ‘Taliban commanders’ - The Express Tribune

NATO Report Claims Pakistan's ISI Still Behind Taliban in Afghanistan | TIME.com

WikiLeaks and the ISI-Taliban nexus | Peter Galbraith | Opinion | The Guardian

The key to solving the puzzle of Afghanistan is Pakistan - The Washington Post

And I could go on, and on, and on, and on...

By referring to Afghan Taliban as "dialogue partners" & refusing to call them enemies or terrorists & ceasing all operations against them officially, alongside talking to them in Islamabad means that US recognizes them as a significant stake holder and is supporting them implicitly as we speak, so please convince your govt not to support terrorists rather than telling us what to do. Its always better to mend your own house first before criticizing others.

 

[Desertfalcon]

By referring to Afghan Taliban as "dialogue partners" & refusing to call them enemies or terrorists & ceasing all operations against them officially, alongside talking to them in Islamabad means that US recognizes them as a significant stake holder and is supporting them implicitly as we speak, so please convince your govt not to support terrorists rather than telling us what to do. Its always better to mend your own house first before criticizing others.

By funnelling them tens of millions upon tens of millions of dollars worth of arms and supplies, by providing them with logistical support and advisory support, by providing them with military intelligence, as has been detailed by about a dozen links I provided, even after 9/11 to the present day, (Again, detailed with evidence from multiple sources.), Pakistan not only recognized Afghan Taliban, as one report called it, ISI were the true "Godfathers" and mentors to them, so please convince your govt not to support terrorist rather than telling us what to do. It's always better to mend your own house first before criticizing others.

See how that works?

 

[nana41]

There is only two ways Turkey will be kicked out of NATO

1. Continued persistence and support of Muslim refugees into Europe
2. Aggression or genocide against Kurds/Armenians or Greeks

If Turkey does go to war the old America will approach it the same way they did in WW2. "let the Germans (in this sense Turks) and Reds kill each other off"

Forgot the third way .....Turkish help for persecuted Palestinian and protestations against the establishment and maintenance of concentration camp called Ghaza?

 

[SBD-3]

of course people involved should be indicted and exposed for their part.

May be you're surprised but we have a simple solution to correcting ours i.e. distract the history and re-write it after molding in one's favor, has been working good for us so far

 

[lonelyman]

Turkey is the only nation in NATO willing take Russians headon.

Remove Turkey from NATO, you have a bunch of pussy states who cannot make up their minds while Russians draw closer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, how about Turkey stabbing in allies back by supporting ISIS, which has sworn to destroy west, simply as long as ISIS are killing Kurds in addition to other genocide.

Remember last year, the ISIS siege against Kobani, Turks tanks just sit idly while US airplanes pounding ISIS. What do you call that?