No Sir they are not between them and GOD crap
The concept of being between person and GOD alone is western not of Islam.
The concepts of Huququllah and Huququlibaad are nothing but Islamic. There is a reason why these were detailed and differentiated between explicitly. Please don't deliberately distort Islamic teachings to suit your own fancies.
done in public is affects every Muslim and therefore duty of every Muslim to stop it and most importantly of state.
If an action, any action, infringes upon the rights of another then it is the sole authority of the state to physically stop it. If an action, in its very essence, proves to be detrimental to the well being of the society as a whole, then the state has the sole authority to firstly decide that it indeed is detrimental and then to act against it. If an action proves to be detrimental to the well being of the society in a religious context, vis à vis Islam, then it is the sole responsibility of the state to decide that it indeed is detrimental and then to act against it only when concerning its Muslim citizens.
No one else has the authority or the right in any of the above mentioned cases to judge or exact any punishment. If you do, it is unanimously considered against the teachings and rulings of Islam and the constitution of Pakistan. In fact, Islam goes to the extent of explicitly ordering Muslims to abide by the rules and laws of the state. If those laws/rules hinder your ability to practice your principles then you are advised to migrate to other lands where it would not be so.
So no, "every Muslim" can physically stop only those who have been given under his/her authority, i.e. his/herself and his/her dependant family. Advise, debate, reason with the rest? Of course.
*The only time you are allowed to physically stop someone is when someone's life or property are under direct physical threat at that very moment.
This Hadith is a brilliant example of how and why "Half knowledge is worse than ignorance" - Thomas B. Macaulay. As is with everything taught in Islam, that Hadith is to be taken in conjunction with all the other teachings of Islam. Everything said in that Hadith comes with the preamble "Provided that you have the authority to". Authority which has been explicitly demarcated in the religion. Did you think that it was talking about one's physical strength? That the burliest man of the neighbourhood go knocking down doors making sure everyone was breaking their fast with a date? How is this not obvious?
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- "Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma`roof (i.e., Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful.'' [Quran 3:104]
- "You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma`roof (i.e., Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden)''.[Quran 3:110]
- "Show forgiveness, enjoin what is good, and turn away from the foolish (i.e., don't punish them).''[Quran 7:199]
- "Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawood (David) and `Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds. They used not to forbid one another from the Munkar (wrong, evildoing, sins, polytheism, disbelief) which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do".[Quran 5:78, 79]
- "…We (i.e. Allah Almighty) rescued those who forbade evil, and with a severe torment We seized those who did wrong because they used to rebel against Allah's Command (disobey Allah)."[Quran 7:165]
Nu`aman Ibn Basheer
reported: The Prophet
said:
"The likeness of the man who observes the limits prescribed by Allah and that of the man who transgresses them is like a group of people who get on board a ship after casting lots. Some of them are in its lower deck and some of them in its upper (deck). Those who are in its lower (deck), when they require water, go to the occupants of the upper deck, and say to them: `If we make a hole in the bottom of the ship, we shall not harm you.' If they (the occupants of the upper deck) leave them to carry out their design they all will be drowned. But if they do not let them go ahead (with their plan), all of them will remain safe". [Al-Bukhari]
Huthaifah
reported: The Prophet
said,
"By Him in Whose Hand my life is, you either enjoin good and forbid evil, or Allah will certainly soon send His punishment to you. Then you will make supplication and it will not be accepted". [Al-Tirmithi]
None of these tell you to physically stop another. They are addressing the person's self, in his/her own capacity. You know this. Otherwise, according to your logic, the second Ayah is telling you to go forcibly convert non-Muslims to Islam. Are you saying that it does?
Please stop trying to deliberately distort the Ayahs and Ahadith. The sin for that is far severe than the women you so wish to punish.
This is moving from a social to a religious debate, which are against forum rules. Let's turn back and discuss this in a social and psychological context. Any further religious debate on the matter will be removed.
