Italy, Egypt To Sign Mega Arms Deal Includes 24 Eurofighters, 24 M346 Trainers and 6 Frigates

[The SC]

Problem is that the Italian Fremms only have 16 cells all of which are open.

They were never built with 32 cells.

The new ones will have 32..

 

[Philip the Arab]

The new ones will have 32..

I think only the air defense ones have it, but the ones suited for anti submarine warfare have 16.

Subs are arguably a bigger threat in modern warfare than anti ship missiles for a many reasons.

 

[The SC]

You explaination is not enough to convince us that there is no A50 Sylver oboard the fremm. According to the Italian FREMM specification it is only designed to have only one vertical lauching systsem fitted and that is the A50 Sylver and nothing else. The designed basically is different from the french Fremms which was the first one Egypt received from France with had a design that consisted of A43 VLS and some ther VLS aside, either that would be the A50 or the A70, and the french basically removed And they removed the M and kept the A43 on the FREMM they gave to Egypt. That type of flexibility is not available on the Italian FREMM. That makes everything clear. Look at this link too which explains to the country specific equipment of the FREMM's and you would understand, I have also extracted the information below. Look at the parts in bold:

FREMM multipurpose frigate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

French-specific equipment


French version of the FREMM

• 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A43 VLS for MBDA Aster 15 missiles

The last two ASW variants have been fitted with a 16-cell MBDA A50 VLS for MBDA Aster 30 to be used if deemed necessary. The two AAW variants fitted with 32-cell A50 VLS.

• 16-cell MBDA SYLVER A70 VLS for MBDA SCALP Naval cruise missile with a range up to 1000 km or Aster 30 anti air missile (not fitted to AAW variants)[64]

Italian-specific equipment


Italian ASW FREMM Carabiniere



Italian ASW FREMM Virginio Fasan

• 16-cell MBDA Sylver Vertical Launching System A50 VLS for MBDA Aster 15 missiles and MBDA Aster 30 missiles
• Space reserved for MBDA SYLVER A70 launchers for 16 MBDA SCALP Naval or similar cruise missile, but not fitted

And they removed the A70VLS because it was for the "Missile de croisiere naval"(MdCN) of 1200 km range.. They are still 16 Aster15 cells.. but now they have made a Scalp naval of 250 + km range.. just tested.. So Egypt might buy it and put it on its French Fremm in the place of the precedent one that was not MTCR compliant..

 

[HD Seeker-5000]

And they removed the A70VLS because it was for te Missile de croisiere naval of 1200 km range.. They are still 16 Aster 15 cells.. but now they have made a Scalp naval of 250 + km range.. just tested.. So Egypt might buy it and put it on its French Fremm in the place of the precedent one that was not MTCR compliant..

I do hope they do and not hesitate in doing so!

 

[The SC]

I think only the air defense ones have it, but the ones suited for anti submarine warfare have 16.

Subs are arguably a bigger threat in modern warfare than anti ship missiles for a many reasons.

Yes but the Italians want at least 4 reinforced for air-defense..
The French just inducted 2 Fremm specific for air-defense with 32 cells too..

Both subs and coastal defenses are important .. as they play different roles..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Yes but the Italians want at least 3 reinforced for air-defense..
The French just inducted 2 Fremms specefic for air-defense with 32 cells too..

Yes, Egypt needs a dedicated air defense ship for sure maybe the Egyptian air defense system under development could be used on ships you never know.

Plus the Emirati HAS-250 anti ship missile, and Skyknight missile and it would be a very deadly ship. Who knows? Imagine a shared ship class.

 

[The SC]

Yes, Egypt needs a dedicated air defense ship for sure maybe the Egyptian air defense system under development could be used on ships you never know.

Plus the Emirati HAS-250 anti ship missile, and Skyknight missile and it would be a very deadly ship. Who knows? Imagine a shared ship class.

Yes absolutely..And don't forget the 6 MEKO 200 they are AAW primarily..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Yes absolutely..And don't forget the 6 MEKO 200 they are AAW primarily..

Range for MICA NG will be 40km so that isn't that bad and roughly comparable to the American ESSM.

 

[The SC]

I do hope they do and not hesitate in doing so!

Yes.. now the EN can do it on the French as well as on the Italian Fremm..16 Scalp Naval on each for land attack will be a terrifying deterrence..

Range for MICA NG will be 40km so that isn't that bad and roughly comparable to the American ESSM.

They might also get the Aster 30.. if not, the new corvettes being negotiated will get it..

 

[Philip the Arab]

Yes.. now the EN can do it on the French as well as on the Italian Fremm..16 Scalp Naval on each for for land attack will be a terrifying deterrence..

UAE and Egypt should cooperate on this, MTCR is a big bummer.

 

[The SC]

UAE and Egypt should cooperate on this, MTCR is a big bummer.

Not everything that's being done..is said in public.. mostly for strategic weapons like these..

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Egyptian airforce are banned from obtaining any long range air to air missiles from western suppliers whether it's the USA or Europe .. however the russian have no problem supplying Egypt with it on their russian made aircrafts in Egypt like the Mig-29.

and the Aster-30 can cause a lot of problems to israel airforce and the european ones also.

after reading rest of the thread, reading rest of Egyptian members post, i quite convince Meteor and Astor-30 is coming for Egyptian AF and navy, you often don't post the backup of your claims, if you post its its not from multiple sources, and repeated same source pics, may be that's suit your agenda

 

[mike2000 is back]

According to the Italian newspaper La Republica, the Italian government is set up to soon approve the MEGA defense deal with Egypt that includes 6 Frigates including 2x confirmed FREMM Bergamini, 24 M-346 trainer jets, 24 Eurofighter Typhoon jets, 20 Falaj II OPV and 1 Military Satellite.

According to Italian reports, Italy is currently discussing with Egypt one of the largest arms sales for Rome since World War II. The potential arms sales to Egypt would be worth between 9 billion to 11 billion euros.

The reported deal would include the delivery to Egypt of an additional four FREMM frigates, 20 offshore patrol vessels, 24 Eurofighter Typhoon fighter aircraft, 20 M-346 jet training aircraft and an observation satellite.

Italy has become a major trade partner for Egypt, while its arms industry has grown to become one of Egypt’s main suppliers, as such sales have increased from 7.4 million to more than 871 million euros from 2016 to 2019, according to annual parliamentary reports.

A former Egyptian diplomat told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity that Egypt’s relations with Italy are strategic and that the arms deals point to improved relations.

The diplomat praised the Egyptian policy of diversifying its sources of armaments, and said Italy is an important partner of Egypt in the energy-rich eastern Mediterranean region.

Egypt relies on the Italian government-owned ENI, which is the largest gas and oil producer in Egypt, to produce nearly half of Egypt’s petroleum wealth

Despite domestic pressure, Italy sees the military deal with Egypt serving as a guarantee to build strong relations with Cairo so as to preserve an active role in the eastern Mediterranean, a significant hotbed in the region.

Italy is a co-founder of the Eastern Mediterranean Gas Forum, established in January 2019 by Egypt, Cyprus, Greece, Israel, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority, with the purpose of promoting natural gas exports among its member states.

On the other hand, Italy is keen to not lose one of the world’s top arms importers. The Stockholm International Peace Research Institute’s March 15 report said Egypt was the third-largest arms importer for 2016-2020. During that period, Egypt’s arms imports grew by 136% compared with 2011-2015, with Russia as the top exporter to the country, followed by France, Germany, the UK and the United States.

He stressed that Egypt enjoys strong military relations not only with Italy but also with France, Germany, the UK, the United States, Russia and China. Since the 1973 Arab-Israeli War, the Egyptian military has been seeking to diversify weapons sources instead of relying on one source — a trend that has been more accentuated under Sisi — in a bid to increase military capabilities to face the regional challenges and preserve national security, he said. “The countries of the world are also keen to strengthen their relations with Cairo.”

Brig. Gen. Khaled Okasha, member of the National Council for Combating Terrorism, seems to concur with Mazloum, as he said that Egypt enjoys military relations with major countries in the world and has a well-studied and clear scientific plan to modernize and develop its various weapons in the army, such as the navy and air defense, to maintain its national security.

“Egypt’s keenness on diversifying its sources of armament contributes in strengthening its army by bringing in arms from different branches of armed forces from various countries,” reported Al-Monitor newspaper.

Okasha explained that Egypt’s great position and its pivotal role in the region put it at risk of great challenges, and therefore it is essential for Cairo to increase its military capabilities to preserve its national security. “In this context, several major countries, including Italy, deal with Cairo, as they are well aware of its great role and share common interests. Egypt maintains stronger ties with France, Germany, the United States and Russia, and does not count on one country only for armament,” he concluded.

Italy, Egypt To Sign Mega Arms Deal Includes 24 Eurofighters, 24 M346 Trainers and 6 Frigates

According to the Italian newspaper La Republica, the Italian government is set up to soon approve the MEGA defense deal with Egypt that includes 6 Frigates including 2x confirmed FREMM Bergamini, 2…

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Another deal for the Typhoon. Good going.

But totally senseless window shoping .. just collecting toys like kids

im sure you guys will be jumping up and down if you were the one receiving Typhoons or rafale like Egypt.

 

[MMM-E]

Egypt has its homemade IFF for a long time..

Egypt has no national long range IFF for network centric warfare to coordinate American F16 , E-2, Russian MIG-29 , SU-35 , French Rafale with each others

only Radio communication ..... nothing else

all Egyptian F16s , E-2s , MIG-29s , SU-35s , Rafales use foreign IFF and electronic systems

 

[Total Destruction]

Another deal for the Typhoon. Good going.

im sure you guys will be jumping up and down if you were the one receiving Typhoons or rafale like Egypt.

what do you think, meteor will come with the deal?

And they removed the A70VLS because it was for the "Missile de croisiere naval"(MdCN) of 1200 km range.. They are still 16 Aster15 cells.. but now they have made a Scalp naval of 250 + km range.. just tested.. So Egypt might buy it and put it on its French Fremm in the place of the precedent one that was not MTCR compliant..

put it where? inside which cells? a43 cells?