Israel unveils its fifth Dolphin-Class submarine

[Yzd Khalifa]

No THAAD?

Didn't US have deployed the SM-3 system in Israel?

Israel is getting ready to its sworn enemies for a ride. Hellz they have to get ready for that.

 

[mohsen]

Sonar evading submarines does not exist. A submarine could be silent and thus evade passive sonar but it cannot evade active sonar.

The only drawback is that using active sonar gives away your position also therefore enemy could take actions to destroy you if it has assets in the region.

well, this was what our Navy forces claimed, you just have to wait for a real war.

Iranian subs laying in wait for US Aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf - Charlotte City Buzz | Examiner.com
Fars News Agency :: Commander: IRGC's Sonar-Evading Submarines Enjoying Unique Capabilities

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Israel is getting ready to its sworn enemies for a ride. Hellz they have to get ready for that.

Iran won't attack Israel, but USA won't allow Israel to attack Iran either.

USA needs money, a war against Iran would cost her a huge amount of money.

 

[T-123456]

The only way that Israel can attack Iran with nukes is to start an air raid, since only the IAF is nuclear capable.

There you are wrong,The dolphin class subs can send some nukes.

Dolphin-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

There you are wrong,The dolphin class subs can send some nukes.

Dolphin-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can fit the nukes into a cruise missile, but you need the miniaturized nuke to be able to do so.

Since Israel hasn't detonated a miniaturized nuke yet, thus the capability is not proven.

 

[Wright]

Why doesnt Israel go for larger nuclear submarines which can carry a warhead for every Arab country? That would be more effective in second strike ability.

 

[anonymus]

well, this was what our Navy forces claimed, you just have to wait for a real war.

Iranian subs laying in wait for US Aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf - Charlotte City Buzz | Examiner.com
Fars News Agency :: Commander: IRGC's Sonar-Evading Submarines Enjoying Unique Capabilities

frankly mohsen,

Iranian press is full of $h!t and believing Marxists would only make you more delusional.

Every Submarine that has been made since first submarine made during American war of Independence to lift siege on New York has been a Radar evading one as submarines, when they are in deep dive cannot be detected by Radar as Radio waves in Microwave frequency range ie 1 cm wavelength are strongly absorbed by water and could not function beyond a couple of feet.So every Submarine is naturally radar-evading.

Regarding Sonar, Submarines have a Sonar Evading capability if they are being hunted by a passive sonar. They could achieve it by being silent. submarines have a limited, if any ability to evade active Sonars or other energy based mechanisms. Type 216 of Germany has a non-magnetic hull to fool aircraft looking for magnetic anomalies but that is the maximum extent of underwater stealth.

You can fit the nukes into a cruise missile, but you need the miniaturized nuke to be able to do so.

Since Israel hasn't detonated a miniaturized nuke yet, thus the capability is not proven.

It is "rumored" that Israel tested it's nuclear weapons during South African nuclear tests.

 

[T-123456]

You can fit the nukes into a cruise missile, but you need the miniaturized nuke to be able to do so.

Since Israel hasn't detonated a miniaturized nuke yet, thus the capability is not proven.

Well if you buy these subs for second strike option,you think they didnt have miniaturized them yet?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Well if you buy these subs for second strike option,you think they didnt have miniaturized them yet?

The nukes haven't been denonated, it is not proven.

When it is proven it is proven, when it is not, then it is not.

Without a first hand information, you cannot prove your miniaturized nuke is reliable.

 

[T-123456]

The nukes haven't been denonated, it is not proven.

When it is proven it is proven, when it is not, then it is not.

Without a first hand information, you cannot prove your miniaturized nuke is reliable.

Then explain what they need the Dolphin class subs for?
Just for fun?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Then explain what they need the Dolphin class subs for?
Just for fun?

It can carry the cruise missiles for conventional strike against its enemy, but with the pinpoint accuracy.

If Israel has the proven nuclear warheads, then it must be provided by US.

 

[anonymus]

@ChineseTiger1986 @T-123456

The supposition that Israel has a tested and miniaturized Nuclear weapon is as strong as the assumption that Israel has nuclear weapons.

None of them has been confirmed officially but there are implied evidence for both.

It is "rumored" that Isral conducted a nuclear test in collaboration with South Africa.

Alleged collaboration with Israel
Main article: Israel–South Africa Agreement
David Albright and Chris McGreal have claimed that South African projects to develop nuclear weapons during the 1970s and 1980s were undertaken with some cooperation from Israel.[10][11][12] The United Nations Security Council Resolution 418 of 4 November 1977 introduced a mandatory arms embargo against South Africa, also requiring all states to refrain from "any co-operation with South Africa in the manufacture and development of nuclear weapons".[13]
According to the Nuclear Threat Initiative, in 1977 Israel traded 30 grams of tritium for 50 tonnes of South African uranium[citation needed] and in the mid-1980s assisted with the development of the RSA-3 and RSA-4 ballistic missiles, which are similar to Israeli Shavit and Jericho missiles.[14] Also in 1977, according to foreign press reports, it was suspected that South Africa signed a pact with Israel that included the transfer of military technology and the manufacture of at least six nuclear bombs.[15]
In September 1979, a US Vela satellite detected a double flash over the Indian Ocean that was suspected, but never confirmed to be a nuclear test, despite extensive air sampling by WC-135 aircraft of the United States Air Force. If the Vela Incident was a nuclear test, South Africa is one of the countries, possibly in collaboration with Israel, that is suspected of carrying it out. No official confirmation of it being a nuclear test has been made by South Africa, and expert agencies[who?] have disagreed on their assessments. In 1997, South African Deputy Foreign Minister Aziz Pahad stated that South Africa had conducted a test, but later retracted his statement as being a report of rumours.[16] In February 1994, Commodore Dieter Gerhardt, the convicted Soviet spy and former commander of South Africa's Simon's Town naval base was reported to have said:
"Although I was not directly involved in planning or carrying out the operation, I learned unofficially that the flash was produced by an Israeli-South African test code-named Operation Phoenix. The explosion was clean and was not supposed to be detected. But they were not as smart as they thought, and the weather changed – so the Americans were able to pick it up."[17][18]
In 2000, Gerhardt claimed that Israel agreed in 1974 to arm eight Jericho II missiles with "special warheads" for South Africa.[19]
In 2010, The Guardian released South African government documents that it alleged confirmed the existence of Israel's nuclear arsenal. According to The Guardian, the documents were associated with an Israeli offer to sell South Africa nuclear weapons in 1975.[20][21] Israel categorically denied these allegations and said that the documents do not indicate any offer for a sale of nuclear weapons. Israeli President Shimon Peres said that The Guardian article was based on "selective interpretation... and not on concrete facts."[22] Avner Cohen, author of Israel and the Bomb and the forthcoming The Worst-Kept Secret: Israel's Bargain with the Bomb, said "Nothing in the documents suggests there was an actual offer by Israel to sell nuclear weapons to the regime in Pretoria."[23]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Vela Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

@ChineseTiger1986 @T-123456

The supposition that Israel has a tested and miniaturized Nuclear weapon is as strong as the assumption that Israel has nuclear weapons.

None of them has been confirmed officially but there are implied evidence for both.

It is "rumored" that Isral conducted a nuclear test in collaboration with South Africa.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

Vela Incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The miniaturized warhead is not only the first step, in order for the warhead being able to be fit into an ICBM, it needs the re-entry technology.

So far, only 3 nations have fully mastered this technology, US-Russia-China, only these 3 nations have been able to recycle the manned space capsule.

Since the space manned capsule is ultimate touchstone for the re-entry technology of the nuclear warhead.

Israel has not proved its nuclear warheads possess the re-entry technology, even France and UK haven't fully proved yet.

 

[anonymus]

The miniaturized warhead is not only the first step, in order for the warhead being able to be fit into an ICBM, it needs the re-entry technology.

So far, only 3 nations have fully mastered this technology, US-Russia-China, only these 3 nations have been able to recycle the manned space capsule.

Since the space manned capsule is ultimate touchstone for the re-entry technology of the nuclear warhead.

Israel has not proved its nuclear warheads possess the re-entry technology, even France and UK haven't fully proved yet.

Manned orbital re-entry is different from unmanned re-orbital entry. It is not different in term of basic science but tolerance which is engineering concept.

While only China, Russia and Us have mastered Manned orbital re-entry, Unmanned orbital re-entry has been mastered by load of countries including India and apparently by Israel also since Jericho III is an ICBM.

PS: Ablative heat shield technology is neither an exotic one nor the most difficult challenge in engineering a re-entry module.It is even used in furnaces.

The most difficult part of Engineering an ICBM is developing strong enough engines that would propel it to outer space.

Also Cruise missile do not need Heat shield technology because they never leave earth's atmosphere.

 

[Ceylal]

Israel is getting ready to its sworn enemies for a ride. Hellz they have to get ready for that.

They broke their nose last time around, Israel is not ready to have another bout with hiz...they Have Hamas to kick around, or Egyptian border guards.