Israel: The Bully Playing The Victim Once Again

[Aktavist_KKWC]

How does that further world peace?

Zionism is probably the main reason why the middle east is in ruins today. The multiple wars over the last few decades occured because the zionist entity is in existance. It's pretty simple if you take out the evil within the area the chances of peace become far greater.

 

[fd24]

You always use the term "big daddy", in every post of yours i've read.
I'm curious, do you have a Big daddy? Does he treat you well and gentle? You seem the gentle type to me.

Personal comments of this nature say more about you than about me.
Back to topic - Israel would never survive without American charity. With the recent decline of the American coffers - we will in due course see the illegitimate state will seek to exist. I know the truth hurts hence you veer off topic and attempt personal attacks.

 

[Solomon2]

Israel would never survive without American charity.

I suppose 500 is rather blasé about such claims because they are unsupportable. Israel survived without USG aid through the Six-Day War. Since 1974 the purpose of the aid has not been to keep Israel afloat; the deal was that the U.S. aid would ensure Israel military domination of the area, a bribe to keep the Israelis from utterly destroying its enemies - the Egyptians and Syrians were already beaten - since these were countries whose rulers the U.S. wanted to pry from the Soviet orbit. (That's unlike Pakistan, where military aid has been meant to keep Pakistan afloat, protecting it against India or help fight terrorists and communists.)

End that aid or reduce it below a certain level to the point that Israel looks vulnerable to a sudden attack or prolonged mobilization and Israeli leaders may well conclude, as they did in the May 1967, that to prevent another attempted genocide of the Jews they must go on the offensive once more.

 

[fd24]

I love the people bad mouthing israel but her is a fact shove it down your throats there is nothing you can do about it they will do what they want to do you fcuk up with them your a$$es will b kicked hard

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Hmmm you are talking about charity here isnt pakistan getting charity from usa and china leave usa and china infact you are getting charity from the whole world through world bank
You got so many wepons through us which were given to you in charity the same applies to china

With respect look at the thread and opening post. Where does it mention Pakistan and China? Is your obsession so deep that you feel you must go off topic and troll to defend Israels international behavior? Can you not find it within yourself to debate about their international behavior and instead go off topic? Either stick to topic or debate but dont derail the thread.
There has been plenty Pakistani and Chinese bashing going on around today - go onto those threads to satisfy your obsession. - Thanks Blackops - (hoping you have made a full recovery from your recent accident..)

 

[MilSpec]

For the sake of world peace the Zionist ideology and the Zionist entity known as Israel should be erased from the planet. It's is no different to other fascist ideologies such as Nazism.

It's an area of the earth where religious fanatcis are using to bring about the rapture/end times. They don't give a damn about Jews/Christians or Muslims and are using all 3 to further their apocolyptic goal.

brilliant... world needs more people like you... you might just be the perfect cannon fodder!!!

 

[MilSpec]

We need to have a defence pact with Israel. Any case of any aggression on Israel, India should deploy along with the americans. We need to pick sides..

 

[Mahmoud_EGY]

I suppose 500 is rather blasé about such claims because they are unsupportable. Israel survived without USG aid through the Six-Day War. Since 1974 the purpose of the aid has not been to keep Israel afloat; the deal was that the U.S. aid would ensure Israel military domination of the area, a bribe to keep the Israelis from utterly destroying its enemies - the Egyptians and Syrians were already beaten - since these were countries whose rulers the U.S. wanted to pry from the Soviet orbit. (That's unlike Pakistan, where military aid has been meant to keep Pakistan afloat, protecting it against India or help fight terrorists and communists.)

End that aid or reduce it below a certain level to the point that Israel looks vulnerable to a sudden attack or prolonged mobilization and Israeli leaders may well conclude, as they did in the May 1967, that to prevent another attempted genocide of the Jews they must go on the offensive once more.

in 1974 egyptian were beaten ? funny

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

We need to have a defence pact with Israel. Any case of any aggression on Israel, India should deploy along with the americans. We need to pick sides..

Yeah right so that you will sit comfortably in america when $hit hits the fan here in Asia .

 

[Peregrine]

If Americans Knew What Israel Is Doing! VIDEO WAS CENSORED! - YouTube

 

[Desert Fox]

Israel is not a bully. Infact its under constant threat from camel jockeys. It has every right to defend itself, and offence is the best defence

False flag indian suicide troll! Somebody get the mods

 

[Alpha Omega]

U.S. Assistance to Israel
(FY1949 - FY2009)
(millions of dollars)


Export- Import Jewish Refugee Housing American Schools & Cooperative
Military Economic Food for Peace Bank Resettlement Loan Hospitals Other Development Other
Year Total Loan Grant Loan Grant Loan Grant Loan Grant Guarantee Grant Loan Grant Grant
1949 100.0 100.0
1950
1951 35.1 0.1 35.0
1952 86.4 63.7 22.7
1953 73.6 73.6 *
1954 74.7 54.0 20.7
1955 52.7 20.0 21.5 10.8 0.4
1956 50.8 10.0 14.0 25.2 1.6
1957 40.9 10.0 16.8 11.8 2.3
1958 85.4 15.0 9.0 34.9 2.3 24.2
1959 53.3 0.4 10.0 9.2 29.0 1.7 3.0
1960 56.2 0.5 15.0 8.9 26.8 4.5 0.5
1961 77.9 * 16.0 8.5 13.8 9.8 29.8
1962 93.4 13.2 45.0 0.4 18.5 6.8 9.5
1963 87.9 13.3 45.0 12.4 6.0 11.2
1964 37.0 20.0 12.2 4.8
1965 65.1 12.9 20.0 23.9 4.9 3.4
1966 126.8 90.0 10.0 25.9 0.9
1967 23.7 7.0 5.5 0.6 9.6 1.0
1968 106.5 25.0 51.3 0.5 23.7 6.0
1969 160.3 85.0 36.1 0.6 38.6
1970 93.6 30.0 40.7 0.4 10.0 12.5
1971 634.3 545.0 55.5 0.3 31.0 2.5
1972 480.9 300.0 50.0 53.8 0.4 21.1 50.0 5.6
1973 492.8 307.5 50.0 59.4 0.4 21.1 50.0 4.4
1974 2,646.3 982.7 1,500.0 50.0 1.5 47.3 36.5 25.0 3.3
1975 823.0 200.0 100.0 344.5 8.6 62.4 40.0 25.0 2.5 20.0***
1976 2,362.7 750.0 750.0 225.0 475.0 14.4 * 104.7 15.0 25.0 3.6
TQ 292.5 100.0 100.0 25.0 50.0 3.6 12.6 1.3
1977 1,787.5 500.0 500.0 245.0 490.0 7.0 0.9 15.0 25.0 4.6
1978 1,822.6 500.0 500.0 260.0 525.0 6.8 5.4 20.0 5.4
1979 4,913.0 2,700.0 1,300.0 260.0 525.0 5.1 68.7 25.0 25.0 4.2
1980 2,146.0 500.0 500.0 260.0 525.0 1.0 305.9 25.0 25.0 4.1
1981 2,413.4 900.0 500.0 764.0 217.4 25.0 2.0 5.0
1982 2,268.0 850.0 550.0 806.0 6.5 12.5 3.0 17.5** 5.0
1983 2,505.6 950.0 750.0 785.0 12.5 3.1 5.0
1984 2,631.6 850.0 850.0 910.0 12.5 4.1 5.0
1985 3,376.7 1,400.0 1,950.0 15.0 4.7 7.0
1986 3,663.5 1,722.6 1,898.4 15.0 12.0 5.5 10.0
1987 3,040.2 1,800.0 1,200.0 25.0 5.2 10.0
1988 3,043.4 1,800.0 1,200.0 25.0 4.9 13.5
1989 3,045.6 1,800.0 1,200.0 28.0 6.9 10.7
1990 3,434.9 1,792.3 1,194.8 29.9 400.0 3.5 14.4
1991 3,712.3 1,800.0 1,850.0 45.0 2.6 14.7
1992 3,100.0 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 3.5 16.5
1993 3,103.4 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 2.5 20.9
1994 3,097.2 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 2.7 14.5
1995 3,102.4 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 2.9 19.5
1996 3,147.3 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 3.3 14.0 50.0
1997 3,132.1 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0 2.1 50.0
1998 3,080.0 1,800.0 1,200.0 80.0
1999 3,010.0 1,860.0 1,080.0 70.0
2000 4,131.85 3,120.0# 949.1@ 60.0 2.75
2001 2,876.05 1,975.6 838.2 60.0 2.25
2002 2,850.65 2,040.0 720.0 60.0 2.65 28.0+
2003 3,745.15 3,086.4 596.1 59.6 3.05
2004 2,687.25 2,147.3 477.2 49.7 3.15 9.9
2005 2,612.15 2,202.2 357.0 50.0 2.95
2006 2,534.5 2,257.0 237.0 40.0 0.5
2007 2,500.2 2,340.0 120.0 40.0 2.95 0.2
2008 2,423.9 2,380.0 0 40.0 3.90
2009 2,550.0 2,550.0 0

TOTAL 106,164.7 11,212.5 58,573.4 1,516.5 30,897.0 588.5 94.1 1,218.5 1,558.2 600.0 144.2 17.5 185.7 158.6

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[Meengla]

I don't understand the Pakistan physic, at times you talk about co operation with them and sometimes you start to curse them, anyways what has Israel done against pakistan? (This is not my question, this is what some of the Pakistanis on this very forum have asked).

Some of the biggest antagonists of Israel are the so-called 'Lefties' in the West and Jews themselves. And 'Anti-Semitism' is a genuine hate-philosophy in many parts of Christian Europe--just like it was around WW II, where as in in Islamic countries 'Anti-Semitism' is a political manifestation of what the Muslims see happening against their brother Palestinians--it is not a genuine hatred in a large part because, despite the 2nd-grade status afforded to Non-Muslims in the Islamic world, there have hardly even been large scare systematic banishments and killings of Jews by Muslims historically, unlike what the Christians did to the Jews for many centuries. In today's Iran, for example, a good 30,000 Jews live in relative peace. So let's not get carried away in generalizations.

As to the modern Israel, I would love to live there more than I would to live in dull countries like Saudi Arabia. The social vibrancy of Israel is a big appeal to me. But I cannot close my eyes to the injustices done to the Palestinians.

Finally, while I doubt Israel will vanish if Americans don't support them but Israeli presence in that region will be much, much, much more difficult without the blind American support. Israel is not a tiny Babe in the Woods: It has the mightiest military and economic power blindly behind it.

 

[SamantK]

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[Alpha Omega]

The aid pipeline

There are at least three ways in which aid to Israel is different from that of any other country. First, since 1982, U.S. aid to Israel has been transferred in one lump sum at the beginning of each fiscal year, which immediately begins to collect interest in U.S. banks. Aid that goes to other countries is disbursed throughout the year in quarterly installments.

Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population.

A third difference is the sheer amount of aid the U.S. gives to Israel, unparalleled in the history of U.S. foreign policy. Israel usually receives roughly one third of the entire foreign aid budget, despite the fact that Israel comprises less than .001 of the worldÿs population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. In other words, Israel, a country of approximately 6 million people, is currently receiving more U.S. aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined when you take out Egypt and Colombia.

This year, the U.S. Congress approved $2.76 billion in its annual aid package for Israel. The total amount of direct U.S. aid to Israel has been constant, at around $3 billion (usually 60% military and 40% economic) per year for the last quarter century. A new plan was recently implemented to phase out all economic aid and provide corresponding increases in military aid by 2008. This year Israel is receiving $2.04 billion in military aid and $720 million in economic aid there is only military aid.

In addition to nearly $3 billion in direct aid, Israel usually gets another $3 billion or so in indirect aid: military support from the defense budget, forgiven loans, and special grants. While some of the indirect aid is difficult to measure precisely, it is safe to say that Israelÿs total aid (direct and indirect) amounts to at least five billion dollars annually.

On top of all of this aid, a team from Israelÿs finance ministry is slated to meet with U.S. government officials this month about an additional $800 million aid package which the Clinton administration promised Israel (and the Bush administration later froze) as compensation for the costs of its withdrawal from Lebanon. The U.S. also managed to find another $28 million in the 2001 Pentagon budget to give Israel to purchase "counter terrorism equipment."

According to the American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise (AICE), from 1949-2001 the U.S. has given Israel a total of $94,966,300,000. The direct and indirect aid from this year should put the total U.S. aid to Israel since 1949 at over one hundred billion dollars. What is not widely known, however, is that most of this aid violates American laws. The Arms Export Control Act stipulates that US-supplied weapons be used only for "legitimate self-defense."

Moreover, the U.S. Foreign Assistance Act prohibits military assistance to any country "which engages in a consistent pattern of gross violations of internationally recognized human rights." The Proxmire amendment bans military assistance to any government that refuses to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to allow inspection of its nuclear facilities, which Israel refuses to do. To understand why the U.S. spends this much money funding the brutal repression of a colonized people, it is necessary to examine the benefits for weapons manufacturers and, particularly, the role that Israel plays in the expansion and maintenance of U.S. imperialism.


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If you still think that without $100+ billion aid Israel would have existed you are just naive.

 

[SamantK]

let me just give u my point of view,i curse them bcoz israel IS a threat to the world peace,they r the evil brain behind all that US does to the muslim countries Afghanistan(9/11 carried out by jews),invaded it...no OBL) iraq (well what do u know no WMD) libya,syria n now israel is itching again n is pressuring US to go attack iran...need more reasons?

IF 9/11 was carried out by Jews and Israel wants Iran to be invaded why did US attack Afghanistan, Israel could have pointed out Iran and Hezbola and take out Iran, the argument you present is flawed..