Israel - Small but Outstanding

[Bilal587]

This thread should be named like this " Israel is small and it stolen from Palestine people "

 

[RayKalm]

Great video, but 3:55 was indeed a mosque from India. I remember seeing that same clip in an Indian video.

 

[airmarshal]

I admire Jewish people for being generally very educated, intelligent, highly talented and strong values.

But Israel as a country is not admirable. The reason is that it has occupied other people's lands to build their country. It has evicted people from their homes and made them refugees in their own country. While Israel recognizes every Jew as its citizen, the people who have lived on those lands for centuries are not even worth giving back their country.

How can the land of Palestine belong to Israel just because Jews used to live there millennium ago? By the same analogy Spain belongs to muslims as they ruled there for over eight centuries. Crazy logic, isn't it!?

Its so convenient to hide behind the excuse of terrorism to delay or postpone the peace process. Israel might buy sometime and some favors but it is ultimately a loser. An occupation does not last long as the occupier is eventually defeated.

 

[somebozo]

More like IsraHELL - Small but the largest oppressor

BIG FAIL when you have to use South Asian (Pakistani or Indian) muslims/mosque to show "outstanding" (@ 3.54 mins) Israeli society.

This world is a materialistic place where possession of power or wealth is not a measure of piety. Learn to appreciate finer things in life without prejudice.

Israel is also a name for a Prophet and desecrating Prophet's name is not a good thing.

In Pakistan we have a tradition of respecting and honoring a guest even if he was an enemy..you seems to have failed on the cultural values.

 

[OrionHunter]

....And the girls too!

 

[500]

Great video, but 3:55 was indeed a mosque from India. I remember seeing that same clip in an Indian video.

Its Jezzar Pasha Mosque in Acco.

Interior of the Jezzar Pasha Mosque - Israel Pictures

I admire Jewish people for being generally very educated, intelligent, highly talented and strong values.

But Israel as a country is not admirable. The reason is that it has occupied other people's lands to build their country. It has evicted people from their homes and made them refugees in their own country. While Israel recognizes every Jew as its citizen, the people who have lived on those lands for centuries are not even worth giving back their country.

20% of Israel's citizens are Arabs. Today in Jerusalem live 250 thousands Muslims - about ten times more than lived at peak of Islamic Khalifate.

How can the land of Palestine belong to Israel just because Jews used to live there millennium ago? By the same analogy Spain belongs to muslims as they ruled there for over eight centuries. Crazy logic, isn't it!?

Spain is a country, Palestine was never a country. Its a vice versa, some people who want destroy Israel just because Arabs ruled this land 1000 years ago.

 

[somebozo]

I hope so too, but it will make going in & out of Arabia a lot more difficult especially when they note by your travel history through your passport that you have visited Israel. Last I heard was that even if an international ship docked at an Israeli port just for refueling, it wouldn't be allowed at Saudi Arabia. The western nationals over here carry a separate passport just in case they ever need to visit Israel.

There are specialized group tours arrange in co-operation with Jordan so the visa on your passport would be Jordanian..I am not sure if they still operate them I know a group of Pakistanis few years ago who visited Israel via group tours organised by Jordan.

Much of our Anti-Israel sentiments stems from the radicalization and black & white view of the world indoctrinated into our institutions during the cold war era..now Arabs are comfortably in India lap, have normalized relations with Israel and have declared neutrality in Kashmir affairs while we are still chanting death to Israel.

Many Pakistanis cannot answer as to why they hate Israel..they will resort to some absurd excuses like..it is occupying Palestinian lan - which is not our problem to begin with as many countries around the world are occupying others land. Or they will go into the "Mullah" mode with Jew bashing..when an iota of their claim cannot be supported from any religious facts.

The reason why Arabs see it important to fund and spread anti-Israel propaganda is simple..their own dictatorships will be threatened once the people started to get a discover Israel and wake up to the reality of arab despot leaders.

Rememeber, Israel elects its leaders every few years while much of the Arabia is still ruled by British colonial vassals..


BTW Mossad has been co-operating with ISI for anti-terrorism issues since Zia regime.
And I think Israel interests in Pakistan are channeled visa Turkey.

Israel to let Pakistanis visit holy shrines

By Zia Iqbal Shahid

BRUSSELS: The stipulation of "all countries of the world except Israel" in Pakistani passport will not hamper the realisation of the dreams of Pakistani Muslims to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque, Dome of the Rock and other venerated holy shrines in Al-Quds Al-Sharif as Israeli government declares that Pakistani citizens are allowed to visit Israel whenever they wish to do so.

Talking to The News, Israeli ambassador, accredited to EU and also covering the NATO, Dr Oded Eran, said Israeli consulates across the globe would not refuse any visa application submitted by any Pakistani. In the circumstance that Pakistan has no diplomatic relations with Israel, Israeli consulates would grant visa to most of the Pakistani applicants assuming that their "passports are valid".

"Israel has imposed no restriction on Pakistanis intending to travel to Israel. Recognition of Israel by the Government of Pakistan is not there, as yet, but Pakistanis are free to visit Al-Aqsa Mosque, Dome of the Rock and other shrines and holy places in Jerusalem after getting their visas stamped from Israeli consulates in any nearest neighbouring country of Pakistan", Ambassador Oded Eran continued.

He said: "It is up to Pakistan to keep the stipulation of 'all countries of the world except Israel' or delete it; Israel will not block any Pakistanis visit to Israel. All holy places in Israel are open for not only Pakistanis but also for Muslims from all Islamic countries. We would like to live peacefully with Islamic countries, some of them have already recognised us and others are talking on this issue".

Oded Eran had been extensively involved in Israel's official talks with several Islamic countries. In a previous interview with The News, Ambassador Eran was the first to trigger the debate on Israel's recognition by Pakistan, when he stated that Israel would follow an even-handed approach in his country's relations with India and Pakistan if Pakistan decided to accord recognition to Israel. Later, President Pervez Musharraf, during an interview with The Geo TV channel, took a note of the views expressed by the Israeli official representative and encouraged an open debate on this issue.

Asked whether any kind of official contact existed between Israel and Pakistan, Eran said, "I am not aware of any official contact so far. Israeli and Pakistani diplomats do meet informally in various capitals of the world and they do have friendly exchanges but you cannot call it official contacts".

Hoping that Muslim countries would come to terms to the existence of Israel, Eran declared, "We do not have any conflict with any Muslim country, including Pakistan. We do not have any conflict with Islam, as a religion and we hope that Islamic countries will respond positively".

The Israeli envoy was optimistic that the entire Muslim world would recognise Israel as he claimed such indicators were there.

"I have already visited six Muslim countries, including some of those which have not accorded recognition to Israel," Eran said, but declined to give further details when asked to identify such Islamic countries. "I notice lots of goodwill in Islamic countries and that is very encouraging for us," he said.

Making repeated reference to Israeli government's permission to citizens from Pakistan and other Islamic countries to visit Israel, he said, "Not only that I have visited six Islamic countries, thousands of Muslims from these countries are visiting the holy places like Al-Aqsa Mosque, the third most important Muslim place of prayer after Makkah and Medina, built in AD 720, is situated on the southernmost side of the Temple Mount, Al-Quds Al-Sharif. Dome of the Rock in Al-Quds is a gloriously beautiful Islamic shrine, built in A D 691. The rock is also believed to have been the point from which the Prophet Muhammad ascended to glimpse heaven during the miraculous night journey described in the 17th Sura of the Quran.

Enquired about any official demand made by the Israeli government to obliterate the "Valid for all countries except Israel" inscription from Pakistani Passport, Oded Eran said, "It entirely depends on Pakistan to consider it. We will not prevent Pakistanis desiring to visit Israel or go to the holy places because of this stipulation in their passport".

To a question on the possibility of designating third countries to look after the interests of Israel and Pakistan in their respective capitals prior to establishing full diplomatic relations, he said: "We are interested in developing diplomatic relations with Pakistan in any form acceptable to both the countries. Yes, Pakistan and Israel may agree on the countries which would safeguard their interests in both the capital. Or alternatively, both the countries may have their diplomats, for a start, operating from the embassies of some friendly countries in the capitals of Pakistan and Israel".

Its Jezzar Pasha Mosque in Acco.

Interior of the Jezzar Pasha Mosque - Israel Pictures


20% of Israel's citizens are Arabs. Today in Jerusalem live 250 thousands Muslims - about ten times more than lived at peak of Islamic Khalifate.


Spain is a country, Palestine was never a country. Its a vice versa, some people who want destroy Israel just because Arabs ruled this land 1000 years ago.

Wrong..the provience called "Palestine" was established by the Romans and they expelled all Arabs out of there..Palestine is not even an Arabic word and Quran refers to that region as Land of Bani Israel..

So Palestine is a bogus state..which only exist in the imagination of PLO.

 

[King Solomon]

But Israel as a country is not admirable. The reason is that it has occupied other people's lands to build their country. It has evicted people from their homes and made them refugees in their own country. While Israel recognizes every Jew as its citizen, the people who have lived on those lands for centuries are not even worth giving back their country.

How can the land of Palestine belong to Israel just because Jews used to live there millennium ago? By the same analogy Spain belongs to muslims as they ruled there for over eight centuries. Crazy logic, isn't it!?

Its so convenient to hide behind the excuse of terrorism to delay or postpone the peace process. Israel might buy sometime and some favors but it is ultimately a loser. An occupation does not last long as the occupier is eventually defeated.

No people were evicted from their homes. Jews started settling in the Holy Land of Israel long before the actual creation of Israel. Jews all over the world, including very large numbers from Russia, flew to the desert that was known as Israel, leaving their property and possessions behind. The lands were bought from the Palestinians.

Yet, barbaric Arabs killed many jews in riots in 1920s. From its creation to till now, numerous two state solutions have been proposed by Israel only to be rejected by terrorist hamas and PLO because they want "destruction of Israel".

 

[darkinsky]

None of that even matters to me, they progressed & we didn't. That's all I see & that's all I care about. We get aid too remember? I don't know how much aid we get compared to Israel, but we receive it nonetheless. Besides I am sure you & others here realize Pakistan's problems are mostly attributed to us, no one else.

then why dont you come and face the problems instead of hiding in the comforts of oil money of saudi arabia, passing judgemental remarks while hiding in daddy's oil money and talking about others misery is easy, we get aid because we are losing money in the war, do israel gets damaged in a war by US? we dont get paid by supplying nato equipments, the damaged roads, who pays for all this?? US doesnt pay for that

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

then why dont you come and face the problems instead of hiding in the comforts of oil money of saudi arabia, passing judgemental remarks while hiding in daddy's oil money and talking about others misery is easy,

Oh what are you jealous? You must live horribly if you hate everyone that lives with more ease than you do. Thank God (Masha Allah) my family including my relatives in Pakistan & myself are doing well for ourselves, Alhamdulillah.

I am not in hiding either lol, I would be more than willing to come to Pakistan & support a cause provided it desired to see the same changes as I do. Unfortunately I won't be able to start such a cause myself, & before you reciprocate to that, I am certain you are in no place to start such a cause yourself either.

Regarding my remarks, they weren't harsh at all instead I made some positive criticism & expressed my wish to see my country as developed & progressive as Israel was. Anyway I have every right to criticize & judge my own country as any other Pakistani. Pakistan's success, progress & good image benefits not only the locals but even those that are abroad. I wasn't mocking or making fun of the poor people living in misery either. In fact I get very upset by simply thinking of everything that is going wrong in Pakistan.

Learn to tolerate criticism & respect other people's views, you seem just like some of the non-Pakistani members here that cry rivers of blood & tears if someone points out their failures.

we get aid because we are losing money in the war, do israel gets damaged in a war by US? we dont get paid by supplying nato equipments, the damaged roads, who pays for all this?? US doesnt pay for that

Not only have you attempted to mock & come up with excuses for other nations' successes, but you are going to keep coming up with excuses for our country's failures as well, right?

As I recall even before 9/11 when Pakistan was doing considerably better, it still wasn't on the path of turning in to a land of milk & honey. Do you not take in to account the massive amount of corruption in both our government & society? Haven't you notice the deterioration of morals & values in our society? Or is it that you just happen to blame a couple of conspiracy theories for our problems?

Before you attempt to blame someone else again, here is a verse from the scripture for you:

Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people until they change what is in themselves. (The Noble Quran; 13:11)

 

[Shinigami]

i am impressed.

no wonder india and israel are so close.

we have so much in common

 

[Archdemon]

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[King Solomon]

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Deeply saddened to see an incident like that. I hope the security situation improves in Israel and terrorists are taken care of.

 

[Archdemon]

It is civil terror, there is no police in Israel, nothing outstanding in Israel except bigotry neglect racism arrogance, the enemy of Israel is not Iran nor Syria or any other nation but people of Israel themselves, im starting to hate this place! i want to migrate.

 

[darkinsky]

Oh what are you jealous?

HAHAHAHA dude, this is more proof you are nothing but a video game playing kiddo, i didnt even read the next, stop being immature and grow up