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Robert Fisk: Western leaders are too cowardly to help save lives
It is a fact that it is ordinary people, activists, call them what you will, who now take decisions to change events

Has Israel lost it? Can the Gaza War of 2008-09 (1,300 dead) and the Lebanon War of 2006 (1,006 dead) and all the other wars and now yesterday's killings mean that the world will no longer accept Israel's rule?

Don't hold your breath.

You only have to read the gutless White House statement – that the Obama administration was "working to understand the circumstances surrounding the tragedy". Not a single word of condemnation. And that's it. Nine dead. Just another statistic to add to the Middle East's toll.

But it's not.

In 1948, our politicians – the Americans and the British – staged an airlift into Berlin. A starving population (our enemies only three years before) were surrounded by a brutal army, the Russians, who had erected a fence around the city. The Berlin airlift was one of the great moments in the Cold War. Our soldiers and our airmen risked and gave their lives for these starving Germans.

Incredible, isn't it? In those days, our politicians took decisions; our leaders took decisions to save lives. Messrs Attlee and Truman knew that Berlin was important in moral and human as well as political terms.

And today? It was people – ordinary people, Europeans, Americans, Holocaust survivors – yes, for heaven's sake, survivors of the Nazis – who took the decision to go to Gaza because their politicians and their statesmen had failed them.

Where were our politicians yesterday? Well, we had the ridiculous Ban Ki-moon, the White House's pathetic statement, and dear Mr Blair's expression of "deep regret and shock at the tragic loss of life". Where was Mr Cameron? Where was Mr Clegg?

Back in 1948, they would have ignored the Palestinians, of course. It is, after all, a terrible irony that the Berlin airlift coincided with the destruction of Arab Palestine.

But it is a fact that it is ordinary people, activists, call them what you will, who now take decisions to change events. Our politicians are too spineless, too cowardly, to take decisions to save lives. Why is this? Why didn't we hear courageous words from Messrs Cameron and Clegg yesterday?

For it is a fact, is it not, that had Europeans (and yes, the Turks are Europeans, are they not?) been gunned down by any other Middle Eastern army (which the Israeli army is, is it not?) there would have been waves of outrage.

And what does this say about Israel? Isn't Turkey a close ally of Israel? Is this what the Turks can expect? Now Israel's only ally in the Muslim world is saying this is a massacre – and Israel doesn't seem to care.


But then Israel didn't care when London and Canberra expelled Israeli diplomats after British and Australian passports were forged and then provided to the assassins of Hamas commander Mahmoud al-Mabhouh. It didn't care when it announced new Jewish settlements on occupied land in East Jerusalem while Joe Biden, the Vice-President of its erstwhile ally, the United States, was in town. Why should Israel care now?
How did we get to this point? Maybe because we all grew used to seeing the Israelis kill Arabs, maybe the Israelis grew used to killing Arabs. Now they kill Turks. Or Europeans. Something has changed in the Middle East these past 24 hours – and the Israelis (given their extraordinarily stupid political response to the slaughter) don't seem to have grasped what has happened. The world is tired of these outrages. Only the politicians are silent.

Diplomatic storms

*Goldstone report, November 2009

Israel launched Operation Cast Lead in December 2008 with the declared aim of halting rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. More than 1,400 Palestinians were killed in the three-week conflict along with 13 Israelis. The South African jurist Richard Goldstone's report into the conflict found both Israel and the Hamas movement that controls the Strip guilty of war crimes, but focused more on Israel. Israel refused to co-operate with Goldstone and described his report as distorted and biased.

* The al-Mabhouh assassination, January-May 2010

Britain and Australia expelled Israeli diplomats after concluding that Israel had forged British and Australian passports used by assassins to kill a Hamas commander in Dubai. Israel has neither confirmed or denied a role in the killing of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh in his hotel room in January. Britain said such misuse of British passports was "intolerable". Australia said it was not the behaviour of "a nation with whom we have had such a close, friendly and supportive relationship".

*Settlements row, March 2010

Israel announces plans, during visit by US Vice-President Joe Biden, to build 1,600 homes for Jews in an area of the West Bank annexed by Israel. The announcement triggers unusually harsh criticism from the United States. Washington said it damaged its efforts to revive the Middle East peace process. US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the project was an insult. Netanyahu said he was blindsided by planning bureaucrats and apologised to Biden. Today's meeting with Barack Obama at the White House, called off by Mr Netanyahu so he could return home to deal with the flotilla crisis, was supposed to be another part of the fence-mending between the two allies.

*Nuclear secrecy, May 2010

Israel, widely assumed to have the Middle East's only nuclear arsenal, has faced renewed calls to sign a global treaty barring the spread of atomic weapons. Signatories of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) last week called for a conference in 2012 to discuss banning weapons of mass destruction throughout the Middle East. The declaration was adopted by all 189 parties to the NPT, including the US. It urged Israel to sign the NPT and put its nuclear facilities under UN safeguards.


Robert Fisk: Western leaders are too cowardly to help save lives - Robert Fisk, Commentators - The Independent
 
Listen. My argument is saying Israel is fighting for it's own protection.

What you're supporting is "We should kill 10 Israelis in revenge" and reason you justify is 10 Palestinians died. So 10 Israelis should die.

Feel free to post, but I won't be responding to your trolls again.



You come here to troll in the middle and belittle people about their arguments yet I didn't see you post something reasonable in this thread that contributes to the facts or content.

Rant more.

If Israel fights to protect itself don't you think it is counterproductive to have turkey pissed at you along with half the world ?
 
Israel will continue to defend itself: envoy

New Delhi: The UN Security Council on Tuesday called for an impartial inquiry into the Israeli commando raid on a flotilla of aid ships for Gaza, which left nine activists dead. Israeli disagreed, saying its soldiers had been “brutally attacked” and would continue to defend themselves.

Mark Sofer, Israel’s ambassador to India, told CNN-IBN's Editor-in-Chief Rajdeep Sardesai in an interview the flotilla was not a humanitarian mission and the “truth” about it is coming out.

“First of all any loss of life is tragic. This loss of life yesterday could have easily been avoided had the organisation that had been running it (flotilla) been a true humanitarian organisation dedicated to aid,” said Sofer about the Foundation For Human Rights And Freedoms And Humanitarian Relief (IHH or İnsani Yardım Vakfı in Turkish).

“It was not, it is not -- the IHH is a jihadist organisation with close ties to the al-Qaeda. We have and we will allow humanitarian aid to Gaza but not through violence of so-called aid organisation.”

Sofer was asked what Israel’s reaction would be if India or Iran crossed their boundaries and attacked their rivals they accused of terrorism.

“I think every country in the world has the right to defend its citizens against terrorism emanating from aboard. Certainly India has that right, and I think every country has to work to defend its own citizens,” he replied.

Sofer claimed Israeli soldiers didn’t use excessive force and instead reacted when they were attacked by the ship’s passengers.

“There were six ships and in five of them there was completely peaceful action. In this big ship there were no Nobel laureates at all but fighters from the IHH organisation who made it clear before setting sail to Israel that this was not a humanitarian aid towards Palestinians but just to end the blockade which was enforced when Hamas declared war on Israel.

Sofer said the international condemnation of Israel for the attack on the flotilla was unfair. “It is a little bit rich, sometimes, to hear international condemnation from countries like Iran, which just recently opened fire on some many of its own citizens, or Pakistan whose involvement in international terror is quite well known,” he said.

“We do feel that there was a tragic loss of life. It should never have happened and it wouldn't have happened had it been a true humanitarian aid flotilla.”

The ambassador denied his country followed an “eye-for-an –eyelash” security policy. “Absolutely not -- it is not even an eye for an eye. Israel finds itself at war through no wish of its own and then we take every measure to defend itself and we will continue to do so, but certainly the idea of the Israeli Defence Forces is not to use indiscriminate use of force. The case is absolutely opposite.”

He rejected allegations that the blockade of Gaza was illegal. “I am not going to accept that the blockade is against international law. The blockade is an outcome of international law. Hamas has declared war on us, so we are at war with them.”

Sofer said Israel didn’t want “antagonism” with Turkey and would prefer talks to sort out their differences. “We are interlocuting with all our friends, including India. The truth is coming out more and more even as we speak.”

Israel will continue to defend itself: envoy - World - ibnlive
 
The Holy Prophet (SA) said"

"Surely you will fight the jews. and surely you will kill them. And on that day even the stones will speak to muslims that O Muslim !! There's a jew hiding Behind Me. So come and Kill Him'

(sahih Bukhari)


If We study the history of Jews you will Come to know that they are waiting for their MESSAIH (to be Sent by ALLAH to them) who will liberate the Israel for them and will make them rule the world. But the True MESSIAH is Hazrat ISA (AS) who will return on this world for Muslims . So their MESSIAH According To Holy Prophet (SA) is DAJJAL or the FALSE MESSIAH...

They are doing all this to gain power so that their FALSE MESSIAH may come and rule...

The Israelis started to come to the Holy Land (Jerusalem) in early 1900s.... Then they create the State of Israel in 1948 ..... Now they are making steps to rule the world .. they have completed almost 60% of their 3rd objective, and when they will achieve it , DAJJAL WILL EMERGE and will say that he is the MESSIAH.

US is the Biggest supporter of Israel and have given it great weapons so that it may rule the world as the SUPER POWER .. And undoubtedly now its a very big power and can deal with the Middle east alone now..

Brothers and sisters ask any Islamic Scholar who have studied the Signs of Emergence of Imam al Mahdi , Dajjal and Hazrat Isa (SA) in detail.. He will tell you that WE ARE LIVING IN THE AGE OF DAJJAL.....

If you don't agree with me search on net the Lectures of late Dr Israr Ahmed (may Allah bless his Soul) and Maulana Imran Hosein (he is Sunni)......

You can see the lecture on Dajjal by Sheikh Imran Hosein at the following link:

Abaut dajjal
 
So called "civilians":
YouTube- Close-Up Footage of Mavi Marmara Passengers Attacking IDF Soldiers

What's REALLY on the ship: Part II:

:rofl:

Stupid terrorists, they instigated and then tried to counter the israeli commandos with knives, ranch panas and hammers...:lol:

(Gosh! Where did all the AKs and RPGs of the black market - an perennial supply to terrorists all over the world - gone?)

May be they were trying to practice some Krav Maga with the commandos.

But oops, isnt Krav Maga was developed in Israel...?? Wondering :blink:
 
Egypt opens Gaza border after Israel ship clash

GAZA, June 1 (Reuters) - Egypt opened its border with the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, letting Palestinians cross until further notice amid a storm of international criticism of Israel's blockade of the enclave, officials in Egypt and Gaza said.

The move, urged by the Palestinian Islamist movement Hamas against whom the embargo has been directed, prompted dozens of people to race to the crossing point in the southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah, though the gates appeared still to be closed.

It is the only point on Gaza's borders that is not fully controlled by Israel. Cairo, coordinating with Israel, has opened it only sparingly since Hamas Islamists, who are allied to Egypt's opposition, seized control of Gaza three years ago.

A permanent opening of the crossing, which lies above a stretch of desert frontier riddled by hundreds of smuggling tunnels, would be a major boost for Hamas and a blow to efforts by Israel and its Western allies to cripple the Islamists.

The Interior Ministry run by Hamas since it seized control of the Gaza Strip from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in June 2007 said in a statement: "Rafah crossing is open every day from 9 a.m. (0600 GMT) to 7 p.m." Since Hamas took over, Egypt has opened the crossing only sporadically and with restrictions.

An Egyptian security source told Reuters: "Egypt opened its border with the Gaza Strip on Tuesday to allow humanitarian and medical aid to enter the Strip.

"The border will remain open for an unlimited time," the source said, letting Palestinians enter and leave Egypt.

Aid convoys, to which Egypt has in the past allowed only limited access, would be allowed to use the crossing, subject to following Cairo's limitation that only food and medical supplies be transported.

"Hard materials" -- apparently including concrete and steel which Gazans want to repair damage from last year's Israeli offensive -- would have to go via Israel, the Egyptian source said. Israel has made clear since it halted a Turkish-backed aid convoy at sea on Monday that it will not ease its embargo.

SHIP CRISIS

The deaths of nine activists when commandos stormed a Turkish ship in international waters have unleashed a storm of criticism of Israel. United Nations officials have demanded an end to the blockade, which has impoverished the 1.5 million people of the Gaza Strip. Israel's main ally the United States has been more cautious in its response to the incident.

Hamas official Ghazi Hammad, who is in charge of borders for the Islamist government in Gaza, said: "The Rafah situation is now back to what it was before June 2006."

He was referring to the month when Hamas and allied groups captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, who remains a captive in Gaza and whose fate has been at the centre of failed negotiations to ease the embargo imposed by Israel with Egyptian and international cooperation since then.

After Israel withdrew troop and settlers from Gaza in 2005, the European Union placed monitors at the Rafah crossing to reassure Israel that weapons would not reach Gaza from Egypt. That system of surveillance collapsed, and the blockade was tightened, when Hamas seized full control of Gaza in 2007.

Earlier on Tuesday, Hamas's Syrian-based leader Khaled Meshaal said: "We call on our brothers in Egypt to use this historic moment to open Rafah crossing. Egypt is able to do this and that would indeed be a real response to Israel's actions."

Cairo has tried unsuccessfully to broker a reconciliation between Hamas and Abbas's Fatah faction, as well as to mediate between Hamas and Israel. Hamas's links to Egypt's opposition Muslim Brotherhood has ensured its ties with Cairo are uneasy. (Additional reporting by Yusri Mohamed in Port Said, writing by Alastair Macdonald in Jerusalem)

Reuters AlertNet - Egypt opens Gaza border after Israel ship clash
 
And you know what, you place a Keffiyeh and some Green flag, especially the one that would have Kalima on it, and you get an Islamist-Jihadi-Terrorist, all in one.

Gosh! Why the Turbans are missing :rolleyes:

BTW, if that is Kalima on that green cloth, why would they place it on the floor to snap it?

Could anyone tell me why the aid workers were carrying all the knives and sticks when their supposed mission was to deliver aid in gaza.

I am in no way condoning the death of civilians on the ship.
 
First of all, it's a lie. Why? This flotilla was announced to the entire planet and you think they would risk carrying kitchen knives and poles to Gaza?

Yeah, they're gonna invade Israel with knives and poles. Might as well throw a chair at them while they are at it.
 
Most of you guys blindly hate Israelis, call for their blood, their lives and when the Israelis reciprocate in KIND, you say PEACE, RIGHTS.

Thats bullshit.

You decided to fight and so shut up now and fight. period.
 
Most of you guys blindly hate Israelis, call for their blood, their lives and when the Israelis reciprocate in KIND, you say PEACE, RIGHTS.

Thats bullshit.

You decided to fight and so shut up now and fight. period.

So you are ok with what the pews have done this time.
 
First of all, it's a lie. Why? This flotilla was announced to the entire planet and you think they would risk carrying kitchen knives and poles to Gaza?

Yeah, they're gonna invade Israel with knives and poles. Might as well throw a chair at them while they are at it.

If its a lie then how come the aid workers were picturised beating up Israeli soilders with sticks in the videos posted.

Do you mean to say they were morphed.
 
If its a lie then how come the aid workers were picturised beating up Israeli soilders with sticks in the videos posted.

Do you mean to say they were morphed.

Well what else were they suppose to do, you sick humans who are defending the killing of aid workers. They were in international waters and their ship was attacked. And are israelies such fags that they cant even hold back a crowd armed with sticks, that they resorted to shooting at them.
 
If its a lie then how come the aid workers were picturised beating up Israeli soilders with sticks in the videos posted.

Do you mean to say they were morphed.

Did anyone get stabbed? No.

There were Holocaust Survivors and a Nobel Peace prize winner on that boat.

Obviously, defence is their right. The Israeli elite forces stormed the boat with Automatic Weapons killing 9 people and injuring 30. Would you sit quiet with your hands crossed under those circumstances?

One Israeli gets thrown off the boat and then the killing starts.
 
Did anyone get stabbed? No.

There were Holocaust Survivors and a Nobel Peace prize winner on that boat.

Obviously, defence is their right. The Israeli elite forces stormed the boat with Automatic Weapons killing 9 people and injuring 30. Would you sit quiet with your hands crossed under those circumstances?

One Israeli gets thrown off the boat and then the killing starts.

They were not going get much out of their so called defence against Israeli soilders, They could have peacefully surrendered and there would not have been any bloodshed.

Those Aid workers would have proven thier point of " Denial of aid to Gaza"

I think Organisers or some of the Aid workers were too Anti Israeli or Too Hot blooded that they had to resort to voilence.

" I AM NOT SUPPORTING THE DEATH OF ANY CIVILIANS " - This Msg. is for Mr. Khalidali, who thinks that putting across a different point of view, I am supporting the death of the people.
 
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