Israel endorses independent Kurdish state

[Dinky]

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel supports the establishment of a Kurdish state, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday, as Kurds in Iraq gear up for a referendum on independence that lawmakers in Baghdad oppose.

Israel has maintained discreet military, intelligence and business ties with the Kurds since the 1960s, viewing the minority ethnic group -- whose indigenous population is split between Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran -- as a buffer against shared Arab adversaries.

On Tuesday, Iraq’s Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani said he would press ahead with the Sept. 25 referendum despite a vote by Iraq’s parliament rejecting it.

“(Israel) supports the legitimate efforts of the Kurdish people to achieve their own state,” Netanyahu said, in remarks sent to foreign correspondents by his office.


Western powers are concerned a plebiscite in Iraq’s semi-autonomous Kurdish region - including the oil-rich city of Kirkuk - could divert attention from the war against Islamic State militants.

Netanyahu said Israel does however consider the Turkey-based Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) a terrorist group, taking the same position as Turkey, the United States and the European Union.

An Israeli general told a conference in Washington last week that he personally did not regard the PKK, whose militants have been fighting Turkey for more than three decades, as a terrorist group.

Netanyahu, who is due to address the U.N. General Assembly on Sept. 19, voiced support for “the Kurds’ aspirations for independence” in a speech in 2014, saying they deserve “political independence”.

His latest remarks appeared to be a more direct endorsement of the creation of a Kurdish state.

But they will cut little ice in Baghdad, which has no diplomatic relations with Israel and has strong ties with Israel’s arch-foe Iran.


Iraq’s neighbors -- Turkey, Iran and Syria -- oppose the referendum, fearing it could fan separatism among their own ethnic Kurdish populations.

Kurds have sought an independent state since at least the end of World War One, when colonial powers divided up the Middle East after the collapse of the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire.
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[TurkeyForever]

Ok let them build a kurdish country, with one condition.

All the kurds in Turkey, Iran and other countries will move to that country and not stay in our country.

Ok but for real, we should train and arm the iraqi central government then eat pop-corn as the arabs have a go at the kurds.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel supports the establishment of a Kurdish state, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Wednesday, as Kurds in Iraq gear up for a referendum on independence that lawmakers in Baghdad oppose.

Israel has maintained discreet military, intelligence and business ties with the Kurds since the 1960s, viewing the minority ethnic group -- whose indigenous population is split between Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran -- as a buffer against shared Arab adversaries.

On Tuesday, Iraq’s Kurdish leader Massoud Barzani said he would press ahead with the Sept. 25 referendum despite a vote by Iraq’s parliament rejecting it.

“(Israel) supports the legitimate efforts of the Kurdish people to achieve their own state,” Netanyahu said, in remarks sent to foreign correspondents by his office.


Western powers are concerned a plebiscite in Iraq’s semi-autonomous Kurdish region - including the oil-rich city of Kirkuk - could divert attention from the war against Islamic State militants.

Netanyahu said Israel does however consider the Turkey-based Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) a terrorist group, taking the same position as Turkey, the United States and the European Union.

An Israeli general told a conference in Washington last week that he personally did not regard the PKK, whose militants have been fighting Turkey for more than three decades, as a terrorist group.

Netanyahu, who is due to address the U.N. General Assembly on Sept. 19, voiced support for “the Kurds’ aspirations for independence” in a speech in 2014, saying they deserve “political independence”.

His latest remarks appeared to be a more direct endorsement of the creation of a Kurdish state.

But they will cut little ice in Baghdad, which has no diplomatic relations with Israel and has strong ties with Israel’s arch-foe Iran.


Iraq’s neighbors -- Turkey, Iran and Syria -- oppose the referendum, fearing it could fan separatism among their own ethnic Kurdish populations.

Kurds have sought an independent state since at least the end of World War One, when colonial powers divided up the Middle East after the collapse of the multi-ethnic Ottoman Empire.
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Wasn't this stupid twat just "bragging" about having the "best"(bullsh*t) relations with Arab countries ever? Why are these stupid twats all over the god-damn place?

Kurd corpses are going to be buried 20 feet in the ground if they think of making their own "country".

When are these idiots going to realize that Kurdistan will never be a real thing?

 

[Mucahit]

So Jews want to divide Turkey now after all we have done for them? ln a nutshell, if it wasn't for the Turks there wouldn't be any Israel today or at least not in its current form...We saved over 200k Jews from Europe and they kept coming til 19th century and during WW2 we gave over 50k Turkish passports to Jews so they can escape from Germany...First prime minister and second president of Israel was from Turkey they even went to Istanbul University.

lf that's the case let's just support Palestinian militant groups as well.

 

[Surenas]

The Kurdish project is a foreign-orchestrated project. There is a international scheme to divide the region into small sectarian and ethnic enclaves to protect Israel from strong regional actors. It is time for Iran and Turkey to get their act together and join forces to thwart this foreign-led project from succeeding. Both in Syria and Iraq.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Just be realistic. Israel doesn't endorse anything but it's interests. The minute Turkey changes its policy toward Israel, they won't give a sh×t about Kurdistan. And that's the only truth about this whole story regarding Kurdistan.

 

[313ghazi]

Kurdish oil is exported to Israel, in fact Israel imports as much as 75% of it's oil from Kurdish regions. https://www.ft.com/content/150f00cc-472c-11e5-af2f-4d6e0e5eda22

It's in the interests of Arabs, Turks and Persians to make sure there is no Kurdistan, otherwise it will be a western sattelite site like Israel, created out of your own lands.

Instead people in Syria/Iran/Iraq/Turkey need to work closer than ever with their Kurdish populations to ensure equal rights and work out grievances.

 

[Muhammed45]

Just be realistic. Israel doesn't endorse anything but it's interests. The minute Turkey changes its policy toward Israel, they won't give a sh×t about Kurdistan. And that's the only truth about this whole story regarding Kurdistan.

Israelis and their father are here to divide and conquer.
Turkey weakened both Syria and Iraq, either itself. Everything is ready for their final project, recognition of Kurdistan!.
Imagine if they could remove Erdogan, a weak central government wouldn't be able to control separatists. Erdogan should now understand that what has he done to all of us including Turkey!

Stay sharp bud, the future will tell us many things

Kurdish oil is exported to Israel, in fact Israel imports as much as 75% of it's oil from Kurdish regions. https://www.ft.com/content/150f00cc-472c-11e5-af2f-4d6e0e5eda22

It's in the interests of Arabs, Turks and Persians to make sure there is no Kurdistan, otherwise it will be a western sattelite site like Israel, created out of your own lands.

Instead people in Syria/Iran/Iraq/Turkey need to work closer than ever with their Kurdish populations to ensure equal rights and work out grievances.

I hope Turk brothers get your point, and understand that who was buying oil through Turkey.

 

[Pax Ottomana]

This is nothing new, gentlemen. It's been Israel's policy all along.

By creating an independent Kurdistan they get to hurt the Turks, Arabs and Iranians all in the one go-- hitting three birds with one stone. And Kurdistan also immediately becomes an Israeli vassal state and export customer for all kinds of Israeli weapons.

That said, it's wrong to think of this in emotional terms. Israel is doing this because it perfectly firts their national interests and long-term goals.

How do we counter this?

Well, I'll tell you. NOT BY INSULTING OUR KURDISH PEOPLE. That only serves the Israeli agenda! Instead, we should all try and embrace them even more. By being fair and welcoming. By showing them that we are better and stronger together. By explaining to them that their interests are better served as part of the Turkish, Arab and Iranian peoples rather than going independent and then being landlocked in all sides with 3 powerful "enemies" around them and only treacherous Israel to look out for their interests.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

I also wholeheartedly support the creation of the secular democratic republic of Khurdistan.
May the Khurds attain victory of the dogs of hell ISIS.

Irony at its best those who deny the right of self-determination of Kashmiris are supporting kurd Separatists

 

[Jugger]

Irony at its best those who deny the right of self-determination of Kashmiris are supporting kurd Separatists

Please don't derail by involving Kashmir in this thread related to Khurdistan.
Khurds are very secular and are against Isis, while Kashmiri movement is religious and non secular with high infiltration of Isis and other fanatical elements.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

I also wholeheartedly support the creation of the secular democratic republic of Khurdistan.
May the Khurds attain victory of the dogs of hell ISIS.

You do realize that the Kurdish population of Turkey is extremely religious?

The only reason why Mr. Erdogan is winning one election after another is the big share of religious Kurdish votes he's getting from all over the country. Without the Kurds, the conservative parties in Turkey are not able to win a single election. Tearing up SE Anatolia from Turkey means = a staunch secular Turkey will be left over. The share of Kemalists and nationalist votes would drastically increase; the percentage of Sunnis would rapidly decline due to the fact that over 90% of Turkish Kurds are Sunnis of the very conservative Shafi branch.

One Islamist in Turkey described the situation to me as follows:

The Turkish Anatolian population is the skeleton of the religious parties and the Kurds of Eastern Anatolia are the musculature to move this skeleton - their goals are only achievable if they act and work together.

The situation is very complicated. Personally, I am less afraid of Kurdistan than some Turkish members here. It's not everything bad related to this idea. The concept of a buffer zone between us and the Arab world is appealing to me.

Realistically, however, an independent Kurdistan is not capable of surviving. I know that for outsiders like you it seems like the Kurdish nation is one big body spread all over Middle Eastern. But that's not true. A Syrian Kurd and an Iraqi Kurd have serious issues to understand each other. The Iraqi Kurds are also more religious than Iranian and Syrian Kurds. In Turkey, we a few very secular groups but a large Islamic base. Among the Kurdish population, you have hundreds of groups, parties, movements, organizations with different goals, mindsets, ethnic backgrounds, religious affiliations, conflicting interests etc. It simply wouldn't work out. That's the reason why the pan-Kurdish parliament isn't working in the first place.

As long as they have a common enemy, everything will be fine but the second they have to define a basic social contract, they will miserably fail.

 

[Bismarck]

Wasn't this stupid twat just "bragging" about having the "best"(bullsh*t) relations with Arab countries ever? Why are these stupid twats all over the god-damn place?

Kurd corpses are going to be buried 20 feet in the ground if they think of making their own "country".

When are these idiots going to realize that Kurdistan will never be a real thing?

If Kurds really want apart of your country to establish an independent kurdish state, there is nothing that arabs can do. Absolutely nothing. Only pray and hope that they don't want to take your hole country. Face it, your country is finished once and for all.

 

[jamal18]

Yes. Part of the Zionist's Yid Allom plan to break up the Arab world into its ethnic constituents. A process of Balkanization.

 

[Mr.Department]

If Kurds really want apart of your country to establish an independent kurdish state, there is nothing that arabs can do. Absolutely nothing. Only pray and hope that they don't want to take your hole country. Face it, your country is finished once and for all.

Typical German / separatist dumbas comment.
Now, I believe that you are a Fetö or PKK follower with German flag .
( your English is too bad, whole not hole, very weak for a well educated German BND personal )
Arabs, will bury all Kurds 20 feet under the soil if they will dare.

Turkish MFA today :
" We will use force if necessary against referandum in Northern Iraq,
we are aware that the USA is waiting Turkey to make the first step "!

https://www.ulusal.com.tr/gundem/cavusoglu-guc-kullanmaktan-cekinmeyiz-h175672.html