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[lem34]

Did you just make that up or what?

yaar i am sure I have heard of it as well. Take for example folk songs talking of challa from Kabul to Kashmir (challa ring marriage?

 

[Hyperion]

Yep Butty & I can confirm it. Its the big noses lol. I also heard that there was some relation between Kashmir and Pashtuns

Ofcourse there is... For heavens sake, 7 of my cousins have Kashmiri brides

 

[lem34]

I am Kashmiri too. Like I said before, I don't have any sources available with me at the moment. You are free to do your own research & come up with a conclusion on your own.

Armstrong another Butty Pakistan is full of Buttys and PDF will not allow us to write our name

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You are a smart bloke and your knowledge is good - yet you attempt to be selective.Ok put the Syrian issue to one side and lets say "we are not sure". What about their behaviour regarding the Palestinian issue? What about their open support of terrorist groups in Pakistan? What about their assistance in the creation of frankenstein (Al Queda)? Do you think you the facts are still fudged? Why are you being selective in what you can and cant remember - i feel patronized when asking me innocently why i think the way i do when you are aware of Saudi behaviour in recent years. I am NOT a Saudi hater in any way what so ever - i am simply frustrated at their "laissez faire" attitude which has harmed so many unnecessarily...

Regarding Palestine, google what we are doing and already did for them.

Regarding Arab terrorism, I say it's time to stop your pathetic lies and hang your terrorism and misfortunes on us:

Listen to Imran Khan who assures it's Pakistani ISI that trained and financed Qaueda:

 

[Edevelop]

yaar i am sure I have heard of it as well. Take for example folk songs talking of challa from Kabul to Kashmir (challa ring marriage?

interesting....
But where are all the kashmiri warriors gone now in I.O.K?

 

[INDIC]

Well it shows if we can openly start discussing it then there has been some change in some Pakistanis view. maybe in the future more people will discuss and talk about it in an accommodating way.

Which political party will support that move. Rare of rarest case was Parvez Musharraf.

 

[lem34]

Ofcourse there is... For heavens sake, 7 of my cousins have Kashmiri brides

You ask Butty what my wife is?? lol

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Yep Butty & I can confirm it. Its the big noses lol. I also heard that there was some relation between Kashmir and Pashtuns

Lol, stop being anti-Semitic.

Read it. Calmly... We are related to anyone and everyone... But not Arabs for sure... Have a go at it. Our Physical features, our customs do not match anything local. They are completely unique and some dialects and words match exact hebrew.

Theory of Pashtun descent from Israelites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pashtun people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lol, if you think you are related to Hebrews then you are definitely related to Arabs since both of those groups are Semitic cousins. The fact is that there is no DNA evidence discovered by any credible source whatsoever to prove any links with the lost tribes.

 

[Desert Fox]

First off if the Kashmir issue hasn't taken root as well as it should have we're to blame a lot for it too ! The Chinese aren't Arabs but they haven't really come out and paralleled our actions or rather our cries over Kashmir ? Reminds me of how true it is that we make a very..very crappy sales pitch ! The other part of it involves the Arab Leaders themselves not lending as much support to it as it deserves and I do blame them for it but not the People !

The Chinese aren't our Muslims "brothers", though they have given us more diplomatic as well as material assistance against india.

Secondly, i don't know how one is supposed to "sell" the fact that SUNNI Muslims are being butchered in Kashmir?? Are we supposed to build a stand and hand out newspapers on Kashmir in Arab countries?

Kashmir has been in the media numerous times, in fact that was the whole purpose of Kargil, to bring Kashmir conflict into the international arena, since then Kashmir has been in the media countless times.

Unless Arab countries are in stone age where the people don't have access to internet i don't see how they cannot know anything about the oppression of Kashmir's Muslims.

Secondly saying that 'Israel is engaged in an apartheid against the Palestinians' isn't being more Arab than the Arabs themselves for if that were true then all supporters of Palestine would be doing that and yet many have an open disdain for Saudi Arabia because of what is perceived as their bad human rights records, their lack of women empowerment and a representative system of governance ! I've had the good fortune of interacting with many such American and British individuals, some of whom were Jews, themselves ! So...its not an Arab thing..its a human rights thing ! So is Kashmir and so is it their shame for not recognizing it as it should be and our incompetence for not selling it effectively enough...for godsake we didn't even have a contingency in case of Fai !

Arabs fear Iran more than israel, in fact they have recognized israel. Whatever israel does to the Palestinians is an Arab problem, if the Arabs aren't bothered about it and instead are more concerned about Iran then who are we to be criticizing israel? We are being more Arab than the Arabs themselves.

P.S Of course I'm for a balanced approach as well ! Do you think I'm asking us to send our armies the next time an Arab-Israeli war breaks out ? No...support the Arabs - our allies - in the UN and give them whatever material aid that we can ! They're more than capable of fighting their own wars....over the past few years they really have gotten their acts together !

No, of course not. You said you wanted Pakistan to recognize israel on certain conditions regarding two nation solution.

My reasons for recognizing israel is on the condition that they stay neutral with regards to indo-Pak affairs and we stay out of their affairs whatever they do with Palestine, its not our business.

Remember, they supported india in 1999 Kargil war and their lobby AIPAC is aggressively pushing for tougher policies on Pakistan all due to our pro-Arab stance against israel.

 

[SHAMK9]

go for it, recognize Israel im a die hard nationalist.

 

[INDIC]

As I said it is YOUR internal matter wither to recognize Israel or not. However you keep claiming that "Saudis and Israelis are lovers" yet you never ever bring proof. Our stance since the beginning of the Arab-Israeli conflict have been "At war" with Israel and until today this stance has not changed.

Saudi Arabia is second largest economic aid provider to Pakistan after United states(2 years old data but don't know current one as US is reducing aid). If Pakistan goes for diplomatic relations with Israel, will it affect that aid?

 

[p(-)0ENiX]

Armstrong another Butty Pakistan is full of Buttys and PDF will not allow us to write our name

I don't understand what you mean, but my family name is not "****" or "butty" lol.

 

[lem34]

Which political party will support that move. Rare of rarest case was Parvez Musharraf.

Man we are talking on a forum. We on here do not do the recognising. I am not sure we all would agree anyway. We are just as likely to enter into a defense pact with Iran lol

I don't understand what you mean, but my family name is not "****" or "butty" lol.

What are you then? Darr Khwaja Mughal etc

 

[Hyperion]

Let's suppose there is a void.. Now lets say this earth-moving shift takes place. You're intelligent enough, think how fast this void will be filled?

Things are never static. There is always something new waiting to replace the old

Saudi Arabia is second largest economic aid provider to Pakistan after United states(2 years old data but don't know current one as US is reducing aid). If Pakistan goes for diplomatic relations with Israel, will it affect that aid?

 

[lem34]

You're as neutral as Italy was during the Second World War !

They might as welll have been for all the good they were