Is Turkey the Punching Bag?

[Killuminati]

I think its time to give a really hard respons to U.S

The devaluation of the Turkish Lira has nothing to do with a ''bad'' economic structure. U.S can do this to any country in the world. They are printing the money, not Turkey. The decision of dollar to be the international currency doenst belong to Turkey. Turkey does not have big energy sources at the moment to be partially independent from the dollar.

So what can Turkey do? First of all Turkey must declare economic war against U.S. As Turkey doenst have really a economic power to stand against U.S in this war, Turkey can attack all the strategic points of U.S inside Turkey by blocking important straights, closing down Incirlik and maybe opening it for Russia ''talks''. Starting a huge opeation against CIA agents inside Turkey etc etc.

Aq bu kartlari gostermeyecegiz de ne zaman gosterecegiz?

 

[OguzSenturk]

I talked about US Navy, who cares if one civilian trade vessel has US flag on it? They won't give any military ground to US in Blacksea nor Caucasus.

Article 6 gives obvious right to Turkey to ban bosporus to specific country that threatened Turkey.

 

[Dante80]

Article 6 gives obvious right to Turkey to ban bosporus to specific country that threatened Turkey.

Article 6:
Should Turkey consider herself to be threatened with imminent danger of war, the provisions of Article 2 shall nevertheless continue to be applied except that vessels must enter the Straits by day and their transit must be effected by the route which shall, in each case be indicated by the Turkish authorities. Pilotage may, in this case, be made obligatory but no charge shal be levied.

Again, this is not a matter of opinion (I have studied this convention exhaustingly). Turkey can surely do anything, I am talking about the legality of the matter.

 

[OguzSenturk]

Article 2 talks about civilian trade vessels Have you read the agreement? We can legally ban any nation's navy vessels if their governments dare to threaten our country.

 

[Dante80]

Article 2 talks about civilian trade vessels Have you read the agreement? We can legally ban any nation's navy vessels if their governments dare to threaten our country.

You are going in circles man. Read the convention. Both Article 2 and Article 6 are talking about civilian vessels. For vessels of war, read articles 20 and 21. I have explained everything in previous posts.

I have not read the agreement. I did a case study on it during my masters degree. We are getting off topic though, sorry for that.

 

[Killuminati]

You are going in circles man. Read the convention. Both Article 2 and Article 6 are talking about civilian vessels. For vessels of war, read articles 20 and 21. I have explained everything in previous posts.

I have not read the agreement. I did a case study on it during my masters degree.

What can U.S do in respons to a ban by Turkey?

 

[OguzSenturk]

Article 20 and 21? Article 20 talks about "war scenario", article 21 also talks about banning military vessels if ever Turkey feels threatened. Are you sure that you ever opened it's paper? Article 2 talks about civilian vessels

 

[Killuminati]

U.S threatens Turkey intentionally with economic sanctions. That reason is enough i think.

 

[Dante80]

What can U.S do in respons to a ban by Turkey?

Diplomatically? I have no idea. I would also not want to see them doing anything. Deepening the crisis is not a good thing for anyone.

U.S threatens Turkey intentionally with economic sanctions. That reason is enough i think.

In respect to the Montreux Convention, economic sanctions cannot be construed as "a threat of imminent danger of war" (sic) which is the legal prerequisite to justify the first paragraph of article 21 (closing the strait for military vessels in times of peace).

Again, guys this is not an opinion. Read the actual convention. You can find the text here: http://sam.baskent.edu.tr/belge/Montreux_ENG.pdf

 

[OguzSenturk]

Yes, it's not an opinion that you can bend it over. Turkey can ban any country's navy vessels on earth's surface if ever Turkey feels threatened.

You cannot change it. Feels suck? Drink some water then

 

[Dante80]

Yes, it's not an opinion that you can bend it over. Turkey can ban any country's navy vessels on earth's surface if ever Turkey feels threatened.

You cannot change it. Feels suck? Drink some water then

Turkey can do (and most importantly SHOULD do) whatever it wants in this matter. It is a sovereign nation that should predominantly protect its vital national interests. I never theorized otherwise.
What I was talking about was the deemed legality of such an action according to a certain international convention. In my view, this would be a bad move that would further escalate the crisis in Turkey, and provide fodder for its opponents.

Closing NATO bases would be a far better alternative (as Turkey has also done in the past).

 

[OguzSenturk]

I understand that you talked about things that you want to happen.

But i was talking about legality of actions written in agreements, which gives rights Turkey to closing straits to any nation on earth if ever Turkey feels threatened.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Turkey picking too many fights at once.First fix economy then mess with usa.With that amount of external debt,this is a token sanction but real sanction will destroy the economy further.I think this more erdogan-trump personal cockfight due to backstab on pastor deal rather than problems between usa and turkey as countries.These 2 manbabies should grow up and get this sorted.

 

[OguzSenturk]

https://www.haberturk.com/ticaret-bakanligi-ndan-abd-nin-ek-vergi-kararina-tepki-2098183-ekonomi

So US just sanctions Turkish goods with huge taxes, and our Trade Ministry's answer is "Real losers are both countries' private industries"

Translate: We are still hungry, slap us little moar.

 

[Glass]

^the gov seems insecure in how to handle the situation. But as of now the language which is spoken is the one of force so turkey will need to use it as well. I really pray that this will result in turkeys nato exit.