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The first Indian Workshop on Reverse Engineering (IWRE) organized by Center for Development of Advanced Computing (C-DAC), Mumbai and Tata Consultancy Services (TCS) will be held on 25 Feb. 2010 in Mysore, India.

IWRE provides an international forum for researchers, developers and users interested in Reverse Engineering issues and its applications. Participants will include practitioners and researchers from industry, academia and government. The workshop aims at discussions and active participation which will help evolve the future directions for the field of reverse engineering. The idea of the workshop is to bring together end users, researchers, solution providers together to get an overall understanding of the state of art and where it should be headed.

AS I say, all the Indian members would touting reverse engineering as the best way of advancing domestic research ability instead of stealing if its Indians who are doing reverse engineering. No class and fairness.
 
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Is Reverse engineering a Good Option for India?

no, it's not a good option. it's not even an option for india as of now due to its poor industrial knowledge base.
some indian members like to bashing China as a copycat but they conveniently forget india is not even qualified to be a copycat in tech field. For their failed or much delayed military projects some indians like taking excuses that india doesn't do reverse engineering. what a joke! If a military project is matter of national interest/concern of national security, what can prevent india scientists from taking a look at a good proven sample to refresh their out of ideas brains?? dont tell me indians are stupid enough always want to reinvent wheel.

China has a long history of copying weapons from Russia thats why nobody else sells them anything ...remember the israeli phalcon was denied to china :cheesy: ...now c'mmon India aint that stupid ....If it can reach the moon it can surely reverse engineer
 
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You can certainly say that about India.

Wait, wait. India is producing a ABM against ICBM even though it doesn't even have any ICBM to test against. The single military marble from India is that it would field an ABM system without first testing it as India knows the parameters of an ICBM so testing is not necessary. Believe me, this are words from Indian members on the India can handle both China/Pakistan simutaneous thread.

Hopes that I'm not wrong.

Why you need an ICBM to test an ABM system. An ICBM is just like an IRBM with extended range. So if you got an IRBM which India has, is there any need for specific missiles.
 
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You can certainly say that about India.

Wait, wait. India is producing a ABM against ICBM even though it doesn't even have any ICBM to test against. The single military marble from India is that it would field an ABM system without first testing it as India knows the parameters of an ICBM so testing is not necessary. Believe me, this are words from Indian members on the India can handle both China/Pakistan simutaneous thread.

That member was non other than me, But As you lack in reading English properly you missed out me saying that We would be testing on an ICBM by either purchasing it or Testing it Against AGNI-5, And I said that ABM will be built by the Data parameters available, Its not necessary to Build and ICBM before making an ABM. And Moreover If you agree or Not AD-1 and AD-2 development is really on.
 
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China has a long history of copying weapons from Russia thats why nobody else sells them anything ...remember the israeli phalcon was denied to china :cheesy: ...now c'mmon India aint that stupid ....If it can reach the moon it can surely reverse engineer

and where are the jobs go?

I really don't care who has the biggest military, but rather who has better stand of living.
 
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Hopes that I'm not wrong.

Why you need an ICBM to test an ABM system. An ICBM is just like an IRBM with extended range. So if you got an IRBM which India has, is there any need for specific missiles.

And range can be altered by Increasing or decreasing a payload, AGNI2 can also be made 4000-6000 kms range by have 200-400kg payload in it, Which can very well make it an ICBM, but The vehicle which can carry 1000kg payload over 5000kms with a speed of not less that MACH3-4 is called an ICBM.....
 
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China has a long history of copying weapons from Russia thats why nobody else sells them anything ...remember the israeli phalcon was denied to china ...now c'mmon India aint that stupid ....If it can reach the moon it can surely reverse engineer



care to explain this? and why is Airbus making their jet liner in Tianjing instead of India?


Franco-US engine to power new China aircraft

By Peggy Hollinger in Paris

Published: December 21 2009 20:42 | Last updated: December 21 2009 20:42

China has chosen a new-generation Franco-American engine to power its first narrow-body aircraft, which is due to fly in 2016 and aims to challenge the single-aisle workhorses of Boeing and Airbus.

The CFM joint venture between Safran of France and General Electric of the US on Monday scored a coup against rival US engine maker Pratt & Whitney after the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (Comac) chose its new technology Leap-X engine for the country’s first mid-size commercial jetliner, the C919.
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The contract to power the 150-seater aircraft will initially be worth $10bn to the joint venture and could potentially be worth as much as $30bn over 30 years, once all maintenance and service is included, according to Jean-Paul Herteman, Safran chief executive. For the first time in the history of the CFM partnership, the contract goes beyond the engine and includes the entire propulsion system.

Comac estimates the market for its C919 at 2,000 aircraft over 20 years, and with CFM as sole engine supplier the partnership was now well placed in the promising Chinese market, said Clara Gaymard, head of GE France.

However, Mr Herteman admitted that the Leap-X programme would demand heavy investment, with previous engines costing more than $1bn to develop. CFM has also had to agree to set up an assembly plant for the engine in China, which Mr Herteman said was “industrially logical”.

The Safran boss denied that the partnership had been compelled to agree significant transfers of technology to win the hotly contested tender. The assembly plant was “the only transfer of technology linked to this contract”, he said.

Comac hopes with the C919 to break into one of the world’s most lucrative aircraft segments by offering a technologically more advanced product in the mid-sized range than Boeing with its 737 or Airbus with the A320. Neither Boeing nor Airbus has yet announced plans to renew these ranges – with both aircraft makers suggesting there is no rush to launch for several years.

Analysts suggested that the decision to opt for a foreign engine maker – and CFM in particular – signalled China’s determination to produce an aircraft that could be exported when it finally takes to the air. CFM already boasts 75 per cent of the world market for mid-sized single- aisle aircraft. The Leap-X was an updated version of its popular CFM56 model, said Andy Chambers, aerospace analyst at MF Global. “Clearly taking that engine type is low risk for the Chinese,” he said.

The Leap-X is expected to be up to 15 per cent more fuel efficient than current engine technology. But Mr Chambers said both Airbus and Boeing continued to improve their mid-sized ranges at such a pace that the C919 was unlikely to enjoy such a big advantage over the 737 and A320 by the time it came to market.

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or this?




Helicopter Association International - Rotor.com

The EC175, the latest member of the Eurocopter range, today performed its official maiden flight in the skies above Marignane. At the controls were Alain Di Bianca, Eurocopter Experimental Test Pilot, as well as Michel Oswald and Patrick Bremont, Flight Test Engineers. Officials, industrial partners, launch customers and Eurocopter employees were all on hand for the event. This newest addition to the Eurocopter family in the 7-metric-ton class has been developed and manufactured in cooperation with the China Aeronautics Industries Group Corp. (AVIC), a longstanding Eurocopter partner.

"It's an immense pleasure to see the EC175 soaring through the skies," declared Eurocopter CEO Lutz Bertling. "This helicopter was developed in close cooperation with our customers to ensure it would be perfectly suited to their needs—particularly in terms of safety and comfort. This is the product everyone's been waiting for on the civil market. I would like to congratulate and thank our colleagues from China, all our personnel who invested so much time and effort in this project, and, of course, our industrial partners. Their combined efforts have made it possible for the EC175 to perform its maiden flight right on schedule, that’s to say exactly four years after the program was launched, which is a real technological wizardry. "

The new generation EC175 has a multirole design and can carry out a wide scope of civil missions. It slots perfectly into the Eurocopter range between the AS365 Dauphin (4/5 metric tons) and the AS332/EC225 Super Puma (9/11 metric tons) families. It benefits from a mix of proven and advanced technologies, making it a very performing and reliable helicopter. Depending on its configuration, it can hold up to 16 passengers. A total of 114 EC175s have already been ordered by 14 different customers. Certification of the EC175 by the European Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) is slated for 2011, and the first deliveries are scheduled to follow in 2012. Eurocopter expects to sell 800 EC175s over the next twenty years, creating nearly 2000 new direct and indirect jobs.

Cooperation
The EC175 program was launched on December 5, 2005. The helicopter was developed in cooperation with Chinese industry in just four years thanks to innovative new computing tools that offer major time savings. The work teams, separated by some 10,000 km, have been working together under the aegis of the French and Chinese governments. Their cooperation has been exemplary, and has benefitted from 30 years of close ties between the partners, first through the Dauphin and then through the EC120.

During the development phase, an average of 50 Chinese employees joined their Eurocopter colleagues in France to define the helicopter's characteristics. Now it’s the turn of Eurocopter's employees to reciprocate, and a staff of 30 is currently on permanent assignment in China to assist the teams with design, quality, production and procurement work.

The development and industrialization work has been equally split between Eurocopter and AVIC according to the specialties of each company. Two different helicopters will result from the common platform: The EC175 manufactured, sold and maintained by Eurocopter in Marignane and the Z15, manufactured, sold and maintained by the AVIC Group.

Missions
The EC175 is a medium-lift twin-engine helicopter that can perform many different civil missions. Initially designed for the oil & gas industry to carry work teams to the platforms, it meets the strictest safety and availability requirements that have become a must for operators in the industry.

The helicopter is also being developed for missions such as search and rescue and emergency medical transport, and can also meet the needs of the commercial aviation industry for VIP and corporate transport.

Technical characteristics
The EC175 benefits from the most cutting-edge technology available. It is powered by twin Pratt & Whitney PT6C-67E engines with dual-channel new generation Full Authority Digital Engine Controls (FADEC). With its completely new avionics, the EC175 has an effective and easy-to-use man machine interface, which considerably reduces the pilot workload. Both the pilot and co-pilot can therefore concentrate more fully on their missions. The EC175 is indeed equipped with a full screen cockpit and a digital four-axis Automatic Flight Control System (AFCS) that outperforms any other automatic pilot system on the market. It also has a five-blade Spheriflex main rotor and an airframe that complies with the most stringent certification requirements.

The EC175 offers the widest cabin of any helicopter in its category, which provides an unmatched level of comfort. The aircraft can be boarded easily using the wide sliding doors on either side of the fuselage and the immense baggage compartment is also accessible from both sides of the helicopter. All very large windows offer a great visibility and can be jettisoned so that passengers and crew can quickly exit the helicopter in the event of an emergency.

The EC175 has also been designed to reduce vibration levels to a minimum; its blade design has taken forward the concepts that have proven so successful on the EC155 and EC225. Special care has been taken to reduce both internal and external noise levels to make the EC175 the quietest helicopter in its class, offering levels well below the limits recently established by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

About Eurocopter
Established in 1992, the Franco-German-Spanish Eurocopter Group is a Division of EADS, a world leader in aerospace, defence and related services. The Eurocopter Group employs approx. 15,600 people. In 2008, Eurocopter confirmed its position as the world’s No. 1 helicopter manufacturer in the civil and parapublic market, with a turnover of 4.5 billion Euros, orders for 715 new helicopters, and a 53 percent market share in the civil and parapublic sectors.

Overall, the Group’s products account for 30 percent of the total world helicopter fleet. Its strong worldwide presence is ensured by its 18 subsidiaries on five continents, along with a dense network of distributors, certified agents and maintenance centres. More than 10,000 Eurocopter helicopters are currently in service with over 2,800 customers in more than 140 countries. Eurocopter offers the largest civil and military helicopter range in the world.
 
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UPDATE 1-China's AVIC talking to engine makers after GE deal

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BEIJING, Nov 20 (Reuters) - Aviation Industry Corp of China, fresh from forming a joint venture with General Electric Co (GE.N), is in cooperation talks with other leading aircraft engine makers, the head of the state-owned plane maker said on Friday.

Lin Zuoming, the firm's president, declined to name the firms, citing non-disclosure agreements.

"Going it alone won't work and is not in line with the global trend," Lin told Reuters on the sidelines of a conference.

"To be part of the global aviation industry is one of our key strategies," he added.

AVIC signed a preliminary agreement with GE on Sunday to form an avionics joint venture to target China's booming commercial aircraft market.

The initial focus of the venture would be to develop equipment for China's planned C919 passenger jet, which will have at least 150 seats. [ID:nPEK140232]

Government-backed Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (COMAC) has said it expects the C919 to have its first test flight in 2014 with deliveries to customers starting in 2016.

Lin's firm supplies most of the components for the C919. Lin himself is a vice-chairman of COMAC.

China would be "totally open" to foreign capital and expertise and would not be protectionist in developing the C919, Lin said in his remarks to the conference.

The development of the C919 has been progressing very smoothly and there should be no problem delivering the plane on time, the aviation veteran said. (Reporting by Michael Wei and Alan Wheatley; Editing by Jonathan Hopfner)

UPDATE 1-China's AVIC talking to engine makers after GE deal | Reuters
 
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and where are the jobs go?

I really don't care who has the biggest military, but rather who has better stand of living.

Mate decide first weather u wanna be on a defence forum or an economic one :hitwall:
 
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