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2012-11-13 — Never has there been so much fear and anxiety over China’s naval intentions in the South China Sea. Each People’s Liberation Army action, whether it be an aggressive patrol into disputed territory or a deployment of a new aircraft carrier, only feeds into this fear and anxiety. But neither big fast ships nor arrogant swagger will win a naval war, and China’s PLA suffers from three institutional weaknesses that will ultimately sink its naval ambitions in the South China Sea.

The first and most important weakness is the Communist Party’s institutional control over the PLA, which Richard MacGregor discusses in his book The Party. In China’s Leninist military structure, the political power of commissars, whose only virtue is their blind loyalty to Party, trumps the tactical expertise of officers. Ultimately, whatever military ambitions the PLA has to be a modern professional fighting force capable of exerting its influence in both the Indian and Pacific Oceans must be subordinate to the political exigencies of a ruling party fast losing its authority and legitimacy.

Second, because of the military’s top-down hierarchical structure enforced by commissars to ensure Party control, the PLA has never really developed the non-commissioned officer system, which as Robert Kaplan explains in his book Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts has made the American military the finest fighting machine the world has ever known.

In The Party, MacGregor suggests both Chinese and American officers understand how severe this limitation is to the PLA’s fighting potential:

“‘What kills the military is the political system,’ a [Chinese] retired officer told me. ‘We don’t have a sergeant system, and the sergeants and the likes are the ones who do most of the real military work.’ What the Chinese officer called the sergeant system is the tradition in western militaries of vesting substantial authority in non-commissioned officers…to make many-on-the-ground decisions. ‘In our culture, delegating actually enhances authority. It shows that a commander listens,’ said a senior US military officer who has studied the PLA. ‘It is difficult to have an NCO system in a culture which does not like to delegate authority. In China, where so much is vested in face, you maintain your authority not just by being in charge but by appearing to be in charge.’’’

To visualize what this difference represents, think of the PLA’s top-down hierarchy as concrete and the American military’s more flexible command structure as play-doh. While the PLA seems tough and hard, a precise strike would break the concrete into permanent pieces. But not even concerted strikes could break the play-doh; the sergeant system means the American military has achieved the engineering ideal of being “ductile.”

In his book War, meanwhile, Sebastian Junger vividly recounts how an American platoon patrolling in the mountains of Afghanistan got snared in a Taliban pincer attack, but by working together and by trusting the experience and expertise of their sergeants they fought their way out of the deadly trap with minimal casualties. On-the-spot judgment and decision-making would matter a great deal in the wind-swept waters and on the fragile islands of the South China Sea, and that’s one reason why China’s large top-down navy could be more of a liability than an asset in any engagement.Third, the South China Sea is politically chaotic and complex, a situation that because of its first two weaknesses, the PLA finds difficult to fathom institutionally. Any naval action has political ripple effects, and the PLA’s aggressiveness and swagger is only driving all of China’s neighbors into America’s open arms. Because of America’s counter-insurgency campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan, the inextricability of military maneuvers from political consequences is now part of the American military’s DNA.

Because the People’s Liberation Army has engaged in very few conflicts, institutionally it has not changed much since it “liberated” the Chinese people in 1949. Indeed, in the Korean War, the first and last time the PLA engaged the American military, we can see how fatal the PLA’s weaknesses were.

First, the PLA’s entry into the Korean War was ultimately a political decision that Mao Zedong made against the violent protestations of his military advisors; General Peng Dehuai presciently argued that the PLA did not possess the logistical and organizational capacity to fight on the Korean peninsula. And, as the war dragged on, Chinese casualties skyrocketed, as PLA commanders just threw their troops into American heavily-fortified positions; in the rare instances when sheer numbers and blind courage over-ran machine gun nests, Chinese soldiers were at a loss as to what to do next, and reportedly listlessly waited for orders from the top that never came, allowing the Americans to quickly re-take hills and choke-points.

Third and most important is how Mao Zedong badly misjudged the political situation. He allegedly trusted Stalin to provide air support, which Stalin did not do because he coldly and correctly calculated Russia had more to benefit from a chastened PLA than a victorious one. And because China interceded on behalf of belligerent North Korea, it inadvertently helped to justify a permanent American military presence in the region – something that China had aimed to prevent with its entry into the Korean War, ironically enough.

While the Korean War went down in history as a stalemate, in reality it was an overwhelming American victory. If China were to provoke a conflict in the South China Sea, history would very likely repeat itself.

Chinese pride themselves as diligent and dedicated students of history. The question now is how true that is.
 
In the world there are two very aggressive countries start war almost every year: Israel and USA :victory:
If China wants to be aggressive, it should take these countries as examples...
 
You should...but you don't pack the gear nor the balls.
I wouldn't call wars of aggression signs of having gear or balls. It screams insecurity and paranoia.
 
It is a good practice to have civilians on the top to decide about peace and war. Otherwise we call military dictatorship.
 
You should...but you don't pack the gear nor the balls.


I have a sack of balls does it mean that i should start a fight with the person sitting next to me.

Ur comment sounds absurd
 
Vietnam is a communist party controlled country, you don't have right to comment here.
 
Third and most important is how Mao Zedong badly misjudged the political situation. He allegedly trusted Stalin to provide air support, which Stalin did not do because he coldly and correctly calculated Russia had more to benefit from a chastened PLA than a victorious one. And because China interceded on behalf of belligerent North Korea, it inadvertently helped to justify a permanent American military presence in the region – something that China had aimed to prevent with its entry into the Korean War, ironically enough.

While the Korean War went down in history as a stalemate, in reality it was an overwhelming American victory. If China were to provoke a conflict in the South China Sea, history would very likely repeat itself.


Chinese pride themselves as diligent and dedicated students of history. The question now is how true that is.

That is an interpretation that I actually havn't thought of before, could the war have been not only been an objective victory (by safeguarding South Korea), but also a geopolitical victory because the existence of North Korea gave ample reasoning to place a US presence on the Peninsula, the very thing the Chinese were trying to prevent?

Would a US presence have remained there if North Korea's dictatorship was toppled and its people integrated with South Korea?

It is a given that if such happened the Korean peninsula would be a much more prosperous and happy place today.

It might also have been less pro-US and more pro-China given the lack of a defining threat today.

Just goes to show that hindsight is 20-20

The myth of Chinese history leading to the 'long term view' takes another blow.
 
That is an interpretation that I actually havn't thought of before, could the war have been not only been an objective victory (by safeguarding South Korea), but also a geopolitical victory because the existence of North Korea gave ample reasoning to place a US presence on the Peninsula, the very thing the Chinese were trying to prevent?

Would a US presence have remained there if North Korea's dictatorship was toppled and its people integrated with South Korea?

It is a given that if such happened the Korean peninsula would be a much more prosperous and happy place today.

It might also have been less pro-US and more pro-China given the lack of a defining threat today.

Just goes to show that hindsight is 20-20

The myth of Chinese history leading to the 'long term view' takes another blow.

I have actually come across this idea when i was doing my international politic degree back 15 years ago. My answer is "It will be the same" except for less "Chinese Agressive Behavior"

Bulk of the American Present are not in Korean, but rather Japan and our oversea territories. Even if China did not actively participate in the conflict and Korea reunited and US left korea, the impact is just very little, the end will be the same, but US may lean toward China instead of Treating it as a threat. The consequence is unknown as the turns of event did not turn out this way but generally believe that either US will co-exist with China as regional superpower or US will lost the majority of interest because the Chinese did not show his hand early on.
 
If the Chinese didn't have other powers keeping them in check, they would be trying to annex countries left and right.

Im not trying to defend the Chinese here,but that has been the case every time with every country since time immemorial..

Only a stupid country would do otherwise. If u don't someone else will.

The key is to maintain a balance every time.


The Muslims lost the war of balance ,in part due to there own ideals and most of it just due major shortsightedness and lust, while at the same time trying to claim thing left and right making all countries insecure, and are now being defeated by attrition.

Fact of life.
 
That is an interpretation that I actually havn't thought of before, could the war have been not only been an objective victory (by safeguarding South Korea), but also a geopolitical victory because the existence of North Korea gave ample reasoning to place a US presence on the Peninsula, the very thing the Chinese were trying to prevent?

Would a US presence have remained there if North Korea's dictatorship was toppled and its people integrated with South Korea?

Not sure about this interpretation.

Remember MacArthur's famous words during the Korean War? "We'll be home by Christmas".

The US and her 16 allies had already taken over the entire Korean peninsula, until the Chinese intervention. In which they were forced into the longest retreat in their own military history. All we wanted was a buffer zone, and we got it.

Today, North Korea is still here and setting off nukes, bombing South Korean warships and shelling their civilians. How exactly can anyone call that a "victory"? Maybe it was a victory for the Fat Kims.

If the Chinese didn't have other powers keeping them in check, they would be trying to annex countries left and right.

Aren't you a Pakistani?
 
Im not trying to defend the Chinese here,but that has been the case every time with every country since time immemorial..

Only a stupid country would do otherwise. If u don't someone else will.

The key is to maintain a balance every time.


The Muslims lost the war of balance ,in part due to there own ideals and most of it just due major shortsightedness and lust, while at the same time trying to claim thing left and right making all countries insecure, and are now being defeated by attrition.

Fact of life.

You are right but in this day and age occupation is frowned upon while back in those times you were an outcast if you didn't think of expanding beyond your border and were most likely the target of an invasion.
 
Aren't you a Pakistani?

Yes I am an American Pakistani, why is it alarming that I do not agree with your current governments policies?? I hold no grudge against your people but am not fond of the CCP.
 
Aren't you a Pakistani?

Does that mean being Pakistani , he has to be obliged and inclined towards China ? Anyways , I believe China is doing what they think is in their interest and others will do as required . Keeping check on each other is best way to balance out power .
 
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