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IS PAKISTAN SELECTING THE T-129 ATAK?

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The Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T-129. Photo credit: TAI.

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IS PAKISTAN SELECTING THE T-129 ATAK?
With the completion of the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) T-129 ATAK’s trials in Pakistan in June, it appears that the Pakistan Army is pressing ahead with the platform, at least as a leading contender for its dedicated attack helicopter needs.

At this year’s Farnborough Air Show, which concluded last week, a Pakistani delegation reportedly (source in Turkish) met with TAI to discuss how the ATAK could be tailored for the Pakistan Army’s specific needs.

In addition, Pakistani representatives will also observe Roketsan Mizrak-U (aka UMTAS) anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) qualification tests from the T-129 in the coming months.

Comment and Analysis

Although the Pakistan Army has the Bell AH-1Z Viper in the procurement pipeline (with 11 aircraft out of 15 on order), it appears that the Army will procure another dedicated attack helicopter. The impetus for this could be from the Army’s need assume the bulk of its close air support (CAS) needs (see: A strong Army Aviation is vital to Pakistan’s CAS strategy). Besides counterinsurgency (COIN), the CAS element will need to be available in times of conflict with state-level actors (i.e. India).

Given the nature of Pakistan’s relationship with the U.S., broadening dependence on American platforms for a need that will greatly center on external threats will neither be prudent or possible. In turn, the Army designated the CAIG Z-10, TAI T-129, and Mil Mi-28NE as its prospective mainstay options. Pakistan may be in touch with the Russians over the Mi-28NE (which is seeing increasingly widespread adoption in parts of the world), but the Z-10 did participate during this year’s Pakistan Day Parade.

The status of the Z-10 and Mi-28NE are unclear, but seeing the Army engage with TAI on how the T-129 could be adapted for the former’s needs is a significant sign. It is an indication that the aircraft has done sufficiently well in operating under Pakistan’s geographical and environmental conditions, and that Army Aviation apparently views the T-129 as a viable platform.

It is important to have an understanding of what the Pakistan Army would be looking for in terms of a CAS asset. For example, there would be limited value in acquiring a platform that does not have access to a millimeter wave (mmW) radar, which is used to track targets based on their metallic signature. In an age where passive self-protection measures, such as burying laser locks via smoke screens, are very common, mmW has emerged as a strong means for offensive engagement against armoured vehicles. To properly contend with effective passive and increasingly common active – i.e. hard-kill – protective measures, the Pakistan Army will need a mmW radar and mmW-tipped air-to-ground missiles (AGM).

It is unclear if Russia and Western Europe would be willing to offer such technology to Pakistan, but China and Turkey conceivably could. It is plausible that Turkey has assured the Pakistan Army of access to mmW technology once it is developed in Turkey. The core Turkish program in this area is the Meteksan MILDAR, which has been in development for at least the past five years. It is another question of how TAI intends to integrate the MILDAR solution onto the T-129, but that is secondary in comparison to the point of being in possession of the technology itself.

The second major issue is dependency, generally on the West, and specifically on the U.S. Although the T-129 ATAK is a direct descendent of the AugustaWestland (now Leonardo) A-129 Mangusta, TAI has full ownership and rights over the design, and produces it in full in Turkey. The exception to this is the ATAK’s turboshaft, which is the Rolls-Royce and Honeywell LHTEC T800. In effect, TAI would need the approval of the U.S. or potentially the U.K. in order to re-export the T800.

In response to this issue, TAI reportedly told a Turkish defence publication that because Pakistan acquired the AH-1Z, it should have no trouble with acquiring the T800. Sadly, this is far from certain, just as approval for Foreign Military Financing (FMF) – while at one point expected – for the Pakistan Air Force (PAF)’s F-16 Block-52+ purchase did not pan out, despite the fact that Pakistan fought in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) for 10 years, or the reality that the F-16 is Washington’s central foreign policy tool for use in Pakistan’s policymaking circles. That said, one could reasonably argue that TAI would not have even trialed the T-129 in Pakistan had it not received assurances from the U.S.

The third issue is cost. Unlike China or the U.S., Turkey’s ability to offer initial credit or a loan in order to get a deal moving is very limited, it will require cash payments. With Pakistan’s procurement spending for the next eight years projected at $12 billion U.S., its ability to commit cash is limited. TAI could – and likely will given that it has done this before on other programs – do is offer commercial offsets and transfer-of-technology benefits in exchange for buying the T-129. For example, the T-129 could come with complete maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) facilities in Pakistan, including some spare parts manufacturing, which in turn could be linked to the T-129’s overall supply-chain.

The fact that the Turkish Army T-129s will be in production in parallel with export aircraft (e.g. Pakistan) is also advantageous for Pakistan. Pakistan has the time and spare to acquire the T-129 in incremental batches over the period it is being built for the Turkish Army, and as such, is only obligated to provide the cash for the helicopters it immediately needs.

The whole matter is still in its early stages, but it has evidently progressed – i.e. from interest, to trials (in June), to possible package building. While the failed coup may push the schedule up (in terms of months at the minimum), this is the first real momentum seen in Pakistan’s attack helicopter push since the AH-1Z and Mi-35 orders. If the T-129 comes to fruition, especially alongside the MILGEM corvettes, then there is no doubt that Turkey will have cemented itself as Pakistan’s leading defence hardware supplier in recent years (second only to China), which will be significant on its own terms.
Source: QUWA.org
 
Pakistan now should not hurry in purchase of T129 now, as Russians now have unveiled the new Mi28 NM, which is a better version of previous MI28. Pakistan should run a trial on the new MI28 NM, who knows may be it will perform better than T129 & WZ10. Pakistan should try MI28NM out.
 
Also it is very important that Pakistan increases the number of MI35 as they will serve really well in Pak Army.
 
Pakistan now should not hurry in purchase of T129 now, as Russians now have unveiled the new Mi28 NM, which is a better version of previous MI28. Pakistan should run a trial on the new MI28 NM, who knows may be it will perform better than T129 & WZ10. Pakistan should try MI28NM out.

Turkey & China will be more reliable partners than the Russians, who hasn't agreed to provide Su-35s let alone Mi-28s.

what about WZ-10??

Didn't Pakistan Army say the engine is weak for its needs?
 
Didn't Pakistan Army say the engine is weak for its needs?
There has been no comment made, it is just the general perception (which I believe to be correct).
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I do believe that Pakistan will buy the T-129, but it will take a long time. Even if the coup never occurred, Pakistan's pockets have very limited depth. There were reports, when the original offer came to Pakistan, that Turkey was offering 2 free T-129s, ToT and a maintenance/overhaul facility to Pakistan, I believe that PA is seriously considering this offer, considering the issues Pakistan has had with US defense acquisitions.
 
Turkey & China will be more reliable partners than the Russians, who hasn't agreed to provide Su-35s let alone Mi-28s.



Didn't Pakistan Army say the engine is weak for its needs?

Prove your claim, I have not heard anything yet.
 
the real irony is that Pakistan has not been able to make an attack helicopter design indigeniously ......... i mean it cant be as complicated as JFT ...........
 
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What is an attack aircraft and what does it bring to the table that the JF-17 does not?
Sir, ground attack capabilities especially in hilly areas where hovering is essential. A fighter in the mountains is riskier than a chopper.
 
Why dont we try to use super mashak as it is very maneuverable and can target in hills where as maintenance and running cost is low either
 
Pakistan now should not hurry in purchase of T129 now, as Russians now have unveiled the new Mi28 NM, which is a better version of previous MI28. Pakistan should run a trial on the new MI28 NM, who knows may be it will perform better than T129 & WZ10. Pakistan should try MI28NM out.
The MI-28 is a capable platform similar to the AH-64...there is no doubt it is a more versatile platform then what Turkey's helo offers...but when a state inducts a new platform, especially the one with limited resources, all the factors are taken into account which make a huge difference in the costs when they are summed up....
The Turkish are willing to offer ToT and a maintenance + overhaul facility to Pakistan.....u cannot expect that from Russians unless u have lots of $$$...


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/is-pakistan-selecting-the-t-129-atak.441782/#ixzz4FsQkMoDr
 

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