Is PAA going for 11-ton ATAK-II with Ukrainian engines?

[SQ8]

Unless Ukraine has a new engine in the works, they're likely using the same powerplant as the Mi-171s for the T929 / ATAK-2. This could be very interesting. It's almost as if Turkey decided to pick an engine that even Pakistan should have no trouble acquiring...@SQ8 @JamD @Signalian @Falcon26 @GriffinsRule

I am not sure if Pakistan will stick around for the program based on existing timelines.

 

[FuturePAF]

According to the recent interview of TAI boss Prof Dr Temel Kotil at the HaberTurk, 11-ton ATAK-II T-929 will have Ukrainian engines. It’s first test flight will be in 2023 to mark 100 years of the Republic. If so, Pak has again checkmated Hindutva’s Apaches...

This would be the best option; speeds up the program and allow the PAA to match the Apaches. Any estimate what the costs will be if the PAA chooses to go for 30 of these instead of 30 T-129 at $1.5 Billion?

With the more powerful engines, hopefully the helicopters will be able to climb over the highest mountains in the J/K, GB, and western mountain regions.

Considering the extra payload one of these choppers can carry, it will cut down on the need for as many helicopters to carry out similar attacks, like the US apaches taking out the Iraqi Radars during the first gulf war.

Great news.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

This would be the best option; speeds up the program and allow the PAA to match the Apaches. Any estimate what the costs will be if the PAA chooses to go for 30 of these instead of 30 T-129 at $1.5 Billion

With the more powerful engines, hopefully the helicopters will be able to climb over the highest mountains in the J/K, GB, and western mountain regions.

Great news.

TAI’s specialties are choppers and drones. Pak is in good hands....

Pak already uses the Ukrainian tank engines, so getting chopper engines is an extension...

 

[RadarGudumluMuhimmat]

Not to throw cold water on the news, but just read the other news from another thread between China and Ukraine Motor Sich, An-225 Mriya engine maker. If the U.S can put pressure on Ukraine to break the agreement with China after the sale of the company. You think Turkey is safe with this deal?

What if when it's time for delivery of the new engines to Turkey in 2023. U.S just tell Ukraine to change their mind again? You are still under the mercy of the U.S with Ukrainian engine. It will be worse to look for another engine in 2023 with more time wasted.

Ukraine to nationalize Motor Sich, An-225 Mriya engine maker

https://www.aerotime.aero/27449-ukraine-to-nationalize-motor-sich-china-threatens-to-sue

LOL
BlackSeaShıeld(%51 Turkey - %49 Ukraine) company was established.
2 engine production was brought to Turkey and we got the IP rights of this engines Of course ve give certain technologies besides money.

So yes, when you look from there, it will not take a year to go to war with Uncle Sam, but unfortunately, the dynamics of life do not work like that.

 

[FuturePAF]

Not to throw cold water on the news, but just read the other news from another thread between China and Ukraine Motor Sich, An-225 Mriya engine maker. If the U.S can put pressure on Ukraine to break the agreement with China after the sale of the company. You think Turkey is safe with this deal?

What if when it's time for delivery of the new engines to Turkey in 2023. U.S just tell Ukraine to change their mind again? You are still under the mercy of the U.S with Ukrainian engine. It will be worse to look for another engine in 2023 with more time wasted.

Ukraine to nationalize Motor Sich, An-225 Mriya engine maker

https://www.aerotime.aero/27449-ukraine-to-nationalize-motor-sich-china-threatens-to-sue

Which is why Turkey should keep its own engine development going in parallel, as if they are the only option. Turkey and Pakistan cant Afford to lose more time.

It is also why Pakistan should acquire 12-15 Z-10ME with the MMW radar on top, and refurbish it’s current AH-1F/S fleet with modern avionics, sensors and weapons.

Do the refurbishment and produce the avionics, sensors, and weapons through ToT (from the Z-10 or Z-19) in house so no one can block the upgrade, as part of the Z-10 deal.

 

[khanasifm]

For paa same engine as mi-171 means lower operating cost due to commonality and lower sustainment already on supply chain

Ukraine Plans To Nationalize Jet Engine Producer Motor Sich

Ukraine plans to nationalize Motor Sich, an aerospace manufacturer majority-owned by Chinese companies, due to its strategic importance to national defense.

www.rferl.org

 

[mingle]

I see ATAK2 coming to Pakistan hopefully in next 2 yrs since it's off the shelf solution means urgent. PAA would love to wait for it

 

[Ghessan]

Ukraine was also worried about China shuttling their IP and production facilities out of the country. Can't help but feel that Ukraine wanted to can this deal as much as the U.S.

can't Pak army buy the engines directly for those heavies if it choose, since those are already used in M171?

it avoids US pressure on Ukraine to provide egnines to turkey for those engines

TAI’s specialties are choppers and drones. Pak is in good hands....

Pak already uses the Ukrainian tank engines, so getting chopper engines is an extension...

getting chopper engines from Ukraine may not be a problem for Pakistan for those heavies if chosen with a direct purchase, but it may probably be for Turkey if the pressure builds up on Ukraine by the US.

in that case where is Turkey standing? would they still move ahead for "Pak ordered lot" with Pakistan herself acquiring engines from Ukraine?

and what about their own inventory ATAK II?

 

[RIP Pak LAW]

Turkey to use Ukrainian engine in its heavy class attack helicopters

The T929 ATAK 2 helicopter model on display during the Teknofest aviation and technology festival held between Sept. 11-22, 2019 in the now-closed Atatürk Airport, Istanbul, Turkey. (Wikipedia Photo)

BY DAILY SABAH
MAR 15, 2021 3:27 PM

Turkey’s heavy class attack helicopter, ATAK 2 will use an engine purchased from Ukraine, announced the manufacturing company late Sunday.

Temel Kotil, chairperson of the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), which undertook the helicopter project said that they will acquire the engines to power the T929 helicopter, namely ATAK 2, from Ukraine during a live program on Turkish broadcaster HaberTürk.

He was discussing the helicopter projects of TAI, a leading aerospace industry company operating in Turkey and one of the two top local drone producers.

The helicopter in question is in the 11-ton class and can carry 1,500 kg of ammunition. The chopper will be equipped with 2,500 horsepower engines and will fly as of 2023, according to what Kotil said.

It is being developed under the Heavy Class Attack Helicopter Project contract signed between Defense Industries Presidency (SSB) and TAI, and is set to have approximately twice the take-off weight of current ATAK helicopters.

The project aims to meet the needs of the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) in terms of an effective and deterrent attack helicopter, which can carry a high amount of useful load, is resistant to challenging environmental factors, equipped with advanced technology target tracking and imaging systems, electronic warfare (EW) systems, navigation systems, communication systems and weapon systems. It is being designed and manufactured as a chopper with high maneuverability and performance.

The general features of the T929 helicopter include tandem cockpit, asymmetrical weapon loading capability, high ammo-carrying capacity, low infra-red (IR) and acoustic trace, digital cockpit design, high ballistic resistance, state-of-the-art avionics, compatibility with high altitude and temperature, resistance to environmental factors, advanced EW and countermeasure systems.

It can carry high-caliber cannons, new generation rockets, long-range anti-tank missiles and air-to-air missile systems.

The heavy class helicopter can be used for air-to-ground combat, air-to-air combat, armed reconnaissance and surveillance, close air support (CAS), armed escort or joint offensive operations.

The current T129 tactical reconnaissance and attack helicopters which were upgraded to Phase-2 level are in the inventories of the TSK, along with Turkey’s General Directorate of Security which most recently received the aircraft.

LAST UPDATE: MARCH 15, 2021 16:37
EDITED BY: AYŞE BETÜL BAL

Turkey to use Ukrainian engine in its heavy class attack helicopters

Turkey’s heavy class attack helicopter, ATAK 2 will use an engine purchased from Ukraine, announced the manufacturing company late Sunday.Temel Kotil,...

www.dailysabah.com

Damn , is this straight from some batman movie ? *Batcopter*

 

[khanasifm]

I see ATAK2 coming to Pakistan hopefully in next 2 yrs since it's off the shelf solution means urgent. PAA would love to wait for it

well USA can also pressure on Ukrainian too I guess if there is equivalent Russian one may be safe bet

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Pakistan is getting closer with Russia in contiguous quad against the US, no way Pakistan buy engine from Ukraine which is enemy of Russia.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Well, given that Motor Sich is now firmly in America's pocket, it's questionable whether it will supply Turkey with any engines.

 

[Trailer23]

Can't they do something about the bloody undercarriage/wheels?

Its 2021!!!

They must be a drag (literally) in flight.

 

[nomi007]

Again another new engine.
It means the Turkish home ground engine also in trouble.
ساڈے نصیباں وچ چینی ہی لکھے ہوئے نے

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Can't they do something about the bloody undercarriage/wheels?

Its 2021!!!

They must be a drag (literally) in flight.

I'm just pulling a loose one, but it might be intentional as helicopters may have to land hard or on emergency. Retractable landing gears may raise the risk of a crash in those scenarios.