Is Karachi not a part of Sindh?

[Ace of Spades]

muhajir is written on it or your nationality is Pakistani?

If you come to Pakistan come to Punjab & I will take you to my village it is a small village between central & south Punjab with population of some 8000 people 60% would be locals & 40% would be those who came from India but they are not called muhajirs. They have their own casts & sir names so if we have lived with each other in Punjab without having saparate names which define us from where we came why is Karachi failing to do that. Population of people who came from India is far higher in Punjab than sindh but you will hardly find this ethnic issue in Punjab.

It was a political title taken up by many to reap the benefits post partition. Karachi being largest city; economic hub. Largest migration happened in Punjab. None of punjabis who came from east punjab call themselves muhajir. This muhajir card was later played for "us and them" politics in Karachi. Pitching one against another.

After partition majority civil servants were urdu speakers, undertaking majority of high positions, however later it got diluted and the power structure started falling in favor of other ethnic representation of Pakistan.... That's where it all started.

It was/is always about power...Later, Urdu speaking elite undermined the idea of ethnic representation of Pakistan and supported the idea of one unit policy. Another factor that contributed to separation of east Pakistan. Bangal, sindhi ethnic movements started back then against such move. Declaring Islamabad as federal capital, further diluting the power that was in hand of "muhajirs", not commoners but political elites, further irked the power structure in Karachi and was always pitched as them vs us. During bhutto era, when sindhi was declared as provincial language, language riots were started.

And of course MQM's politics or terrorism is correct word is infront of us as well.

Having said all that; it is not to be confused that there were no atrocities or bad governance that wasn't done by the other side. But this political victimization card has a "power struggle history" that needs to studied to dismantle the narrative.

P.S don't confuse political entities, the beneficiaries of such narrative with common urdu speakers.

 

[BHarwana]

That's because you have accepted them as your own. You eat roti you share with them as well. The same is not the case with Sindh (talking about Sindhi ruling class not the average guy). The ruling elite sees Urdu speakers as slaves just take take take from the city and not give back.

The issue is not that. Here let me explain it to you. Karachi's curse is it's economical power & every one wants to control that. Who ever controls Karachi that person controls money. Karachi is a hub of trade. Just like New York. There was a time when Mafia ruled over New York. The port cities all around the world are like this. People exploit ethnic and religious fault lines to accumulate power. The problem is never in the system every system works if people accept it but when few mischievous elements try to exploit no system will work.

 

[ali_raza]

Not bloody likely.

Those from Southern Punjab like @ali_raza and I, have dealt with these bloody waderas, and they are nothing but gangsters. So I can perfectly understand the sentiments of Karachites, and see absolutely no harm in it being turned into a Federally Administered Territory.

u r 100% right
and the problem is they r well connected politically
and most depressing part is they r biggest thorn in development of the areas cos they like it being shit.
until and unless we will not break there monopoly we will never succeed as a nation
just disconnect them from politics and next year our country will be starting to develop

 

[BHarwana]

It was a political title taken up by many to reap the benefits post partition. Karachi being largest city; economic hub. Largest migration happened in Punjab. None of punjabis who came from east punjab call themselves muhajir. This muhajir card was later played for "us and them" politics in Karachi. Pitching one against another.

After partition majority civil servants were urdu speakers, undertaking majority of high positions, however later it got diluted and the power structure started falling in favor of other ethnic representation of Pakistan.... That's where it all started.

It was/is always about power...Later, Urdu speaking population undermined the idea of ethnic representation of Pakistan and supported the idea of one unit policy. Another factor that contributed to separation of east Pakistan. Bangal, sindhi ethnic movements started back then against such move. Declaring Islamabad as federal capital, further diluting the power that was in hand of "muhajirs" further irked the power structure in Karachi and was always pitched as them vs us. During bhutto era, when sindhi was declared as provincial language, language riots were started.

And of course MQM's politics or terrorism is correct word is infront of us as well.

Having said all that; it is not to be confused that there were no atrocities or bad governance that wasn't done by the other side. But this political victimization card has a "power struggle history" that needs to studied to dismantle the narrative.

Politics is just an excuse the real reason is money. It will always remain money. Divide Karachi further or merge the already divided districts nothing will work. Solution to Karachi is to do a massive crack down on corruption. Corruption is what is harming karachi. End corruption in Karachi and all conflicts will end.

 

[Ace of Spades]

Politics is just an excuse the real reason is money. It will always remain money. Divide Karachi further or merge the already divided districts nothing will work. Solution to Karachi is to do a massive crack down on corruption. Corruption is what is harming karachi. End corruption in Karachi and all conflicts will end.

Power, money controlled by selling narratives through politics. All interlinked.

 

[BHarwana]

Ethnic cards religious cards all will end once there is no way to make money from politics & power. If you cannot make money from politics than only those who are wela enough will come to politics to serve only & politics will become less attractive.

 

[Cliftonite]

Politics is just an excuse the real reason is money. It will always remain money. Divide Karachi further or merge the already divided districts nothing will work. Solution to Karachi is to do a massive crack down on corruption. Corruption is what is harming karachi. End corruption in Karachi and all conflicts will end.

Why don't you let us, the people of Karachi speak for ourselves? We've heard it all from people sitting in Larkana, Islamabad and Raiwand. "Just be Pakistanis, get rid of MQM and this will all go away, don't play ethnic politics, get rid of corruption and bhattakhori" blah blah blah.

If Punjabis and Sindhis and Pathans can assert their identity, why the hell can't we? Why do we suddenly become separatists if we claim our Urdu speaking identity? We just want our city to be a federal district, what the hell is so traitorous about it?

 

[BHarwana]

Why do you think all the big houses try to become politicians? cause it is attractive there is money to earn from politics so they will play religious cards & ethnic cards to make fool out of people and earn money for them selves. Karachi is a pathetically rich city being just a wapda line man in Karachi can make you millionaire.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Ethnic cards religious cards all will end once there is no way to make money from politics & power. If you cannot make money from politics than only those who are wela enough will come to politics to serve only & politics will become less attractive.

But how can we achieve that?

 

[BHarwana]

Why don't you let us, the people of Karachi speak for ourselves? We've heard it all from people sitting in Larkana, Islamabad and Raiwand. "Just be Pakistanis, get rid of MQM and this will all go away, don't play ethnic politics, get rid of corruption and bhattakhori" blah blah blah.

If Punjabis and Sindhis and Pathans can assert their identity, why the hell can't we? Why do we suddenly become separatists if we claim our Urdu speaking identity? We just want our city to be a federal district, what the hell is so traitorous about it?

You will get rid of MQM & something new will come solution is not getting rid of MQM it is getting rid of making money from corruption & nothing will come to spoil peace.

But how can we achieve that?

Make a financial intelligence agency & start spying on corruption. let all the thieves out from jails and make it legal for them to rob the corrupt.

Fighting with corruption is not difficult there are ways to do we just need the will to do it.

 

[AZ1]

See that is your problem. Pakistan was made on 14th august 1947. Who ever we were before it changed on that date & we all became Pakistani on that date but you are still trying to live in the era before 1947. There are no muhajirs there are only Pakistani now. don't give me wikipedia show me your ID card if muhajir is written on it or your nationality is Pakistani?

We all are pakistani and we are proud to be pakistani. But tell me one thing, why is that there is different in rights and quota?


How come we have Sindhi people for Sindh, Punjabi people has punjab, Balochi has balochistan, pathan has khyberpakthukhuwan ?

But then when Muhajir ask for karachi to be separated all start pointing guns that this is traitor that is traitor. How come a party that never won in karachi given hold in karachi and we dont' even get govt jobs on high post even our quality is much higher?

There should be sense of right and wrong don't you think?

 

[BHarwana]

We all are pakistani and we are proud to be pakistani. But tell me one thing, why is that there is different in rights and quota?


How come we have Sindhi people for Sindh, Punjabi people has punjab, Balochi has balochistan, pathan has khyberpakthukhuwan ?

But then when Muhajir ask for karachi to be separated all start pointing guns that this is traitor that is traitor. How come a party that never won in karachi given hold in karachi and we dont' even get govt jobs on high post even our quality is much higher?

There should be sense of right and wrong don't you think?

What is the highest Govt job in Pakistan in your opinion?

 

[Cliftonite]

You will get rid of MQM & something new will come solution is not getting rid of MQM it is getting rid of making money from corruption & nothing will come to spoil peace.



Make a financial intelligence agency & start spying on corruption. let all the thieves out from jails and make it legal for them to rob the corrupt.

But who are you to decide that, meri jaan? Why are you speaking for us? Do you live here, do you know the ground situation here? Typical whataboutism from a non Karachiite, it's nothing new. Pakistan humesha khatray mein kyun parh jaata jab Karachi ki haq ki baat aati hai tou. You don't want to let people of Karachi have power over their own city, it's simple as that. Seedhi baat hai

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

It was a political title taken up by many to reap the benefits post partition. Karachi being largest city; economic hub. Largest migration happened in Punjab. None of punjabis who came from east punjab call themselves muhajir. This muhajir card was later played for "us and them" politics in Karachi. Pitching one against another.

After partition majority civil servants were urdu speakers, undertaking majority of high positions, however later it got diluted and the power structure started falling in favor of other ethnic representation of Pakistan.... That's where it all started.

It was/is always about power...Later, Urdu speaking elite undermined the idea of ethnic representation of Pakistan and supported the idea of one unit policy. Another factor that contributed to separation of east Pakistan. Bangal, sindhi ethnic movements started back then against such move. Declaring Islamabad as federal capital, further diluting the power that was in hand of "muhajirs", not commoners but political elites, further irked the power structure in Karachi and was always pitched as them vs us. During bhutto era, when sindhi was declared as provincial language, language riots were started.

And of course MQM's politics or terrorism is correct word is infront of us as well.

Having said all that; it is not to be confused that there were no atrocities or bad governance that wasn't done by the other side. But this political victimization card has a "power struggle history" that needs to studied to dismantle the narrative.

This all bullshit started with Ayub Khan

Urdu speakers were just Pakistanis. They didn't have any ethnic title unlike Punjabis, Sindhis etc...

Ayub Khan and Sindhi waderas polarized those very people who once chanted

"but k rahega Hindustan, Le k rahenge Pakistan"

Urdu speakers grab the bureaucracy post partition because they were EDUCATED unlike Punjabis and Sindhis of that time....Hum koi quota system pe nh aie the.

We all know how power structure from Urdu speakers went into hands of fuckers who just messed up everything and even lost Bangladesh within no time...

Bengalis still respect Karachi and her people out of all Pakistanis....Lacs of Bengalis live in Karachi to this date.

Pakistani establishment was made up of thugs at that time.

Jab Fatima Jinnah jo gaddar bolenge SON OF SOILS to phir yeh to hoga jo horaha hai

 

[AZ1]

What is the highest Govt job in Pakistan in your opinion?

In karachi SUI Gas had 4,000 sindhi people entrance why Muhajir has less. In Civic Center higher posts occupied by sindhi while lower is for muhajir and so on. Take PIA, you will see bhutto pic hanging on wall in hanger.