Is it right to attack South Waziristan now?

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pak army has used the excuse for not being ready for too long---if such is the preparedness for being ready---what are they going to say to indian army---hold on---we are not ready yet---come back next month---an absolute bull---.

Pak army has been toying around with insurgency and insurgents for too long---the generals---instead of becoming the man eating monster are like sheep in wolf's clothings---they have more excuses for not doing their jobs on time than a habitual liar claiming to be truthful.

The assault from swat should have moved onto waziristan immediately but no---pak generals are playing too many games----now who are they playing against---only time will tell. So---far---their games have put a great hurt on pakistan's integrity.

 

[Awesome]

If Now = by march.

 

[All-Green]

Hi,

Pak army has used the excuse for not being ready for too long---if such is the preparedness for being ready---what are they going to say to indian army---hold on---we are not ready yet---come back next month---an absolute bull---.

Pak army has been toying around with insurgency and insurgents for too long---the generals---instead of becoming the man eating monster are like sheep in wolf's clothings---they have more excuses for not doing their jobs on time than a habitual liar claiming to be truthful.

The assault from swat should have moved onto waziristan immediately but no---pak generals are playing too many games----now who are they playing against---only time will tell. So---far---their games have put a great hurt on pakistan's integrity.

MK,

I agree with the urgency of the matter and do not disagree with your sentiments, however i feel PA is preparing for an operation in an extremely tough terrain and a very complex environment...they are up for the task but that does not mean they can do it without preparing for what is probably a long and difficult operation...

One thing that needs to be understood is that PA cannot hope to succeed in winning without local support and for that they have launched special ops since a few months now, it is not a case of dragging their feet...they need to prepare a solid ground in this most isolated part of Pakistan...

We cannot compare this to conventional war since we have many potential friendlies here whom we need to isolate from the holds of TTP and give them the necessary confidence enabling them to switch sides now that the time is right...all this requires more than just strafing runs from F-16s...

The reason for success in SWAT was the local support which made the PA successful in such a convincing manner...we have to appreciate the fact that ever since the Afghan war this area has become the home ground for many extremist outfits from many parts of the world, the government setup in these areas was quite minimal anyways so one can appreciate the delay...the local intelligence has to be established and for that PA has been busy in reminding the locals of the impending action and has given them a chance to choose their side...

We rushed into WANA previously but were not successful due to our neglect in this regards, we thought FC would bridge this gap but it was not the case...this time we have a different strategy in place and it is more likely to succeed...

The softening up operation is both a show of strength and a series of attacks on the more visible enemy infrastructure...it has been instrumental in bringing the rival commanders and allies to the front who want to side with the PA...the wild west respects power and that is what we have been showing by using PAF here for the past few months...

These alliances will dictate who wins here...if winning means holding all...which it should be...

However, the action should be carried out as soon as army is ready...the infrastructure of the terrorists needs to be taken down so that their command and control is destroyed, weapons and supply depots are captured and the survivors are kept on the run...we have to keep these dogs on the run...no doubt about it...

 

[SSGPA1]

How it possible to send back 2 million or more Afghan Rafugee , their rehablitatin need minimum five years.

Why you want to send them back , it is against the humantarian rules?

Their rehab is not our responsibility. Their country has a govt. now and they have seen two elections.

They don't live in the best of conditions on our side of the border so it is not like we will be sending them to anything worst.

There are criminals and terrorists in those camps and they give an opp to Afgan and US govts to accuse Pakistan of supporting Al-Qaeda.

Let Afghan govt. do some real work besides their usual lip service.

 

[waraich66]

For Border I suggest fencing. India has done right thing by building fence over Pak and BD. India doesn't see china as threat in militancy that is why doesn't have fence over there.

Again you added Indian Support. India support Afganistan for development but its very confusing why still some Afgani support Taliban. Allready revealed that Pak Taliban and Afgan do not have links so its waste of material to involve India when there is nothing prove anything. We have internal crises of Naxal and check the news, Our PM told that it is not supported by any outside country and they get fund locally through loot, robbery, tax, smuggling.

You know secret agencies always involved in surveillance activities and try to get support of anti government forces at any cost.

I am in favour of friendship of both country , Indian and US know that Pakistan dont like indian presence in their back yard .


US and India should know very well that without support of Pakistan they could not restore peace in Afghanistan .

Pakistan and anti government Afghan tribes and mujahdeen if involved in peace talks , peace can be restored in long term basis.

Insurgency in Pakistan is due to presence of India and US in Afghanistan.Better these both countries leave Afghanistan ASAP.

 

[arihant]

I am in favour of friendship of both country , Indian and US know that Pakistan dont like indian presence in their back yard .

US and India should know very well that without support of Pakistan they could not restore peace in Afghanistan .

Pakistan and anti government Afghan tribes and mujahdeen if involved in peace talks , peace can be restored in long term basis.

Insurgency in Pakistan is due to presence of India and US in Afghanistan.Better these both countries leave Afghanistan ASAP.

Because you support terrorism in India, it doesn't mean India does same. If they do same what is difference.

US has presence in Pak as well Afghan. You don't have guts to put US out, how India can have. India could best possibly stop US from entering in India. India has strategic benefits in terms of Economy in Afghanistan. They could trade a lot amount of Goods and services there as Afghanistan is just rebuilding and lack many modern services of banking, transportation, etc......

From my view point contradictory lies in that matter where Pak support Mujhahideen (like India) and in other where they want to kill out mujhahideen which looks not possible from my viewpoint. Pakistan should have clear strategy to abolish any kind of terrorism and ensure economic development. Who wants Taliban to be in the next of window. We don't want.....

 

[waraich66]

Their rehab is not our responsibility. Their country has a govt. now and they have seen two elections.

They don't live in the best of conditions on our side of the border so it is not like we will be sending them to anything worst.

There are criminals and terrorists in those camps and they give an opp to Afgan and US govts to accuse Pakistan of supporting Al-Qaeda.

Let Afghan govt. do some real work besides their usual lip service.

Afghan government is rubber stamp of US dont represent the majority of Afghans , Afghan will never accept any planted government that is reason they are fighting to liberate their country from US clinches.

You know there was no insurgency in Pakistan before US aggression.US has no right to crush the will of Afghans with force.

Both waring faction not ready to listen any peace talk let them fightand decide , but we should protect Afghan women and children and elders , they are our guest .

 

[Rank]

Right now Attack on such condition (Winter) is very difficult but its possibility to Attack over Wazirstan but first SND operation (Only hits Terrrorist targets) rather thn operation over all Wazirstan.

Thats only possible if Pakistan Airforce loaded with Latest Tech Missile/Weapons and other State or Art technolgy (especially using UAVs). For minimum Collatral Damage and care for innocent lives thr.

Attack on Wazirstan is very important + After if operation complete successfully thn Pakistan Must Secure (complete seal) border along with Afghanistan. Develop few Military Headquaters over thr like SWAT after Operation.

Problem is Money. If we reject K-Bill or US not intrested to change any string from K-Bill Pakistan Army must think before operation that how much money will cost for such operation and how long. How many years estimate ? Time ? WAR against such gurilaz are very hard in such conditions. Remember we dont have good Economy right now.

1000 of Questions before starting Massive Operation over Wazirstan.

In such conditions Operation over Wazirstan is like BAD NEWS for Pakistan because of 1000 of problems like (Economy/Weapons/Support).

 

[waraich66]

Because you support terrorism in India, it doesn't mean India does same. If they do same what is difference.

US has presence in Pak as well Afghan. You don't have guts to put US out, how India can have. India could best possibly stop US from entering in India. India has strategic benefits in terms of Economy in Afghanistan. They could trade a lot amount of Goods and services there as Afghanistan is just rebuilding and lack many modern services of banking, transportation, etc......

From my view point contradictory lies in that matter where Pak support Mujhahideen (like India) and in other where they want to kill out mujhahideen which looks not possible from my viewpoint. Pakistan should have clear strategy to abolish any kind of terrorism and ensure economic development. Who wants Taliban to be in the next of window. We don't want.....

Kashmir is disputed province , so Kashmiri have right to fight for their right of self determination , we will support not only kashmiries but also palestinians and other muslims fighting in any part of world for their independence and right of self detemination.

Remember all muslim are just like one body.

You need clarify and study the defination and difference between terrorism and war for independence.

We got Pakistan after a long war of independence

 

[Rank]

Describe TALIBANS (Inside Pakistan)

Actually these are not talibans. So called talibans over here are not actually talibans. These Pakistan talibz are those peoples who dont have job, who dont have money to support thr homes and for few $$ Afghanistan govt including India and CIA (lobby) fundin thr own people. Thy used such poor people inside pakistan whom we called (TTP and Pakistan talibans). The real talibans are those who struggle for thr on independent state (Afghanistan) against NATO forces. Pakistan Talibans are those (who are not actually taliban who r funded taliban) from Afghanistan who used against pakistan to destablize pakistan and raise issue in American/Israel/Indian Union (so called UNITED NATION) to take action against pakistan because Pakistan's Nuclear weapons etc are not secure bla bla bla. But we are not IRAQ and AFGANISTAN. Lobby using such people against pakistan Yes because thy are poor and even not earn 5 Rs per day in Pakistan so called Pakistan Talibans (Back support from Afghanistan with Weapons Money etc) use against People of Pakistan.

Why Attack on GHQ?

Because to raise issue that (Pakistan GHQ even not secure thn how Pakistan Army secure thr People). Just because of this the Strategic is totally change When we are collaborate with Talibans thn American create big issue against pakistan that (WHY YOU ARE TALK WITH TERRORIST ??) and when REAL talibans Fkd American and NATO forces in Afghanistan and thy go for TALK with REAL TALIBANS thn thy said "Situation is going better if we talk with talibans" WHY NOT GOP put pressure over NATO and AMERICa in Unitednation to STOP talk with Talibsn YES THY ARE TERRORIST ?

Why India opened his useless conslates in Afghanistan (how much good these indians are to develop roads and good infrastructure ? why not Indian spend money on NEPAL, SRILANKA, AFRICA etc)

Why US want more Forces in Afghanistan ?

9/11 made by Middleast terrorist. Thn why US Attack on Afghanistan?

AMERICA (Most Advance country) whr terrorists kills 1000 of Americans (not before not after but only just 1 DAY in history of USA) and US intelligence and other secuirty sleep that moment ?

2 Boats from Pakistan - India HOw funny dodge (soo called HUGE BIG Blue water navy) and killing people btw the CITY and secuirty intellgnce sleeping ?

Why US use Drone against Pakistan even thr own reports (just 50 terrorist kiilled but more thn 1000 innocent civilian died with these BS Drone strikes).

Attack over GHQ is not Scurity failure look PAKISTAN ARMY GHQ (btw huge population) around GHQ bazars markets banks etc btw GHQ situated. If u go into technical things Attackers in Army Uniforms 1000 of technical things which we cannot forget if u see GHQ Attack.


man man 10000 of questions...

PS: First USA/ISRAEL/INDIAN lobby to create huge problem for Pakistan Army and put pressure on Pakistan army to go for operation over SWAT but unfortuntly bad news for US/IS/IN when Pakistan successfully completed thr operation over SWAT and when thr planned failed now Lobby change strategy change.

NATO talk with Talibans in Afghanistan
Change original K-Bill.. Clear finger prints of INDIA/ISRAEL lobby over K-Bill
When thy see PAkistan have serious concern over K bill thy attack on GHQ!

man 1000 of questions! we are not fuking idots!

 

[seekers]

Is it right to attack south waziristan now?

PAK Army is already late. This should be needed to attack on Taliban GHQ(waziristan) before did they attack on PAK Army's GHQ.After Swat operation they were in leadership and connections problems but with time relaxation they get organized and well communicate their suicide attackers in punjab.
I don't understand why PA. give them time to re-organized.

More PA. Late More PA and Nation would suffer!

 

[waraich66]

PAK Army is already late. This should be needed to attack on Taliban GHQ(waziristan) before did they attack on PAK Army's GHQ.After Swat operation they were in leadership and connections problems but with time relaxation they get organized and well communicate their suicide attackers in punjab.
I don't understand why PA. give them time to re-organized.

More PA. Late More PA and Nation would suffer!

PA estimate of militant is around 10000 but if Afghan came for their support then PA need minimum 100000 boots on ground and this war can spread to Punjab and Baluchistan , they will try to cut the supply line of PA .

I dont think PA ready for large scale war , and eastern boarder will also be unsafe.

PA dont have fuel storage for more then one month , PA need to take worst case and do preparation.

Minimum 5 to 10 Million of people will be displaced ,i dont think GOP have arrangement for this huge rafugees.

 

[U-571]

i have better suggestion, nuke, blow apart pakistan, kill all pakistanis balochistan, NWFP etc, thats what army should do now a nice leason from 1971. and there we see azad balochistan, azad pukhtunkwa movements tehreek

i am freakin laughin how we are making a mince meat of pakistan

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

i am freakin laughin how we are making a mince meat of pakistan

I am sorry, but who is 'we'?

I certainly don't support the TTP or the Punjabi Taliban or Karachi Taliban in carrying out these suicide bombings and assaults on visiting cricket teams, GHQ and police academies.

Shouldn't your ire be directed at those who carry out those acts of terrorism, instead of the State and Pakistanis that wish to eliminate the perpetrators of such barbaric deeds?

Your argument is akin to letting a gang of dacoits continue robbing, murdering and raping, because any attempt to act against them will result in an escalation of crime by the dacoits to 'punish' the people and state that oppose them.

As you said elsewhere , 'ajeeb chutyaapa hai'.

 

[waraich66]

i have better suggestion, nuke, blow apart pakistan, kill all pakistanis balochistan, NWFP etc, thats what army should do now a nice leason from 1971. and there we see azad balochistan, azad pukhtunkwa movements tehreek

We have not learnt lesson from 71 , FATA insurgency can be resolved through politics and peace talks.

Use of force is never be a long term solution.

All three major players Indra,Bhutto,Najeeb died un naturally

In the end who suffer more , Pakistan divided into two parts , 2 million bangalees killed.