Is it really a problem?

[Zarvan]

sir we need to decide. first either we are Muslim or not and yes than ever Muslim should know about basics of Islam how to offer salah and pay zakat so what should be done is that every candidate should be asked to read 3to4 books which carry detail of what are the pillars in Islam their detail and what are the obligations and each candidate should know details and how to offersalah @Aeronaut @WebMaster @Leader @nuclearpak

 

[Kompromat]

Its NOT the right way but the EASIEST way out.

 

[Icewolf]

Most (90%) of Pakistanis are only Muslim by name

Actions that Pakistanis do are not Islamic at all

 

[Kompromat]

Most (90%) of Pakistanis are only Muslim by name

Actions that Pakistanis do are not Islamic at all

Source of that is?

 

[genmirajborgza786]

In light of the recent reports that the Returning officer is asking potential candidates for elections some religious verses such as Ayat Al Kursi and Duay Qanoot etc.

THis is supposedly in order to validate that a person is of good Islamic character in accordance with article 62 and 63 (which I personally think are absolutely BS).

This has kicked up a big debate in TV shows, and one is going on in Hamir Mir's show.

So what do you folks think, is it a right thing?

I personally believe yes. Yes, the articles in law might be BS and kind of stupid, but as long as they are there, they should be implemented. If a person is going to contest elections, he has to be of good character and knowing Islamic injunctions...and one of the few simple and short ways is to ask him these things. So what is the harm? Asking Islamic things isn't a crime is it?

BTW, they also ask you this stuff in ISSB!

Comments please. This isn't a religious thread, rather a thread which focuses on the how to implement the constitution, and whether this is the right way.

@Awesome, @Aeronaut, @Leader, @muse, @Oscar, @Rafael, @Emmie, @haviZsultan...

I have also added a poll.

no its certainly not, if that is how a candidate is selected then Maulana Diesel should be automatically declared the next PM, believe me another peculiar question that is being asked is if you have 2 wife's do you spend time with them equally

 

[Leader]

no its certainly not, if that is how a candidate is selected then Maulana Diesel should be automatically declared the next PM, believe me another peculiar question that is being asked is if you have 2 wife's do you spend time with them equally

and what makes you think he knows how to offer Salah or know 2nd or 3rd Kalma ?

oh yes maybe munafiqat per acha lecture day de

 

[forcetrip]

They should have a separate option of non practicing muslim in the form.

 

[Zarvan]

Its NOT the right way but the EASIEST way out.

What should be done is that every person should be give 4 book which carries all the basic information about Islam what are our beliefs what are pillars of Islam How to offer Salah ( Namaz ) fast and pay zakat and perform Hajj and others basic information than those who want to contest elections should study them learn them and than come and should be asked

 

[muse]

What should be done is that every person should be give 4 book which carries all the basic information about Islam what are our beliefs what are pillars of Islam How to offer Salah ( Namaz ) fast and pay zakat and perform Hajj and others basic information than those who want to contest elections should study them learn them and than come and should be asked

What are these pillars of islam?

 

[Zarvan]

1 Kalma that is to believe that ALLAH is the only GOD and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is his messenger and the last one than Salah (Namaz ) than Zakat than Fasting and than Hajj

 

[muse]

1 Kalma that is to believe that ALLAH is the only GOD and HAZRAT MUHAMMAD SAW is his messenger and the last one than Salah (Namaz ) than Zakat than Fasting and than Hajj

No Jihad? Are you sure?? And what are these rules of Shariah you speak of, where in the Quran can they found?

 

[Zarvan]

No Jihad? Are you sure?? And what are these rules of Shariah you speak of, where in the Quran can they found?

You need to understand How is Quran revealed and Rules are extracted from Quran and Sunnah for example How to distribute a person wealth after his death whole method is found in Quran and Sunnah order of cutting hands of thief is in Quran and also from Sunnah those who do illegal sexual intercourse have to be lashed 100 times found in Sunnah How to do trade and in which items trade is done is found in Quran and Sunnah and many many many other laws of economy trade crime social life and many others are found in Quran and Sunnah

 

[muse]

You need to understand How is Quran revealed and Rules are extracted from Quran and Sunnah for example How to distribute a person wealth after his death whole method is found in Quran and Sunnah order of cutting hands of thief is in Quran and also from Sunnah those who do illegal sexual intercourse have to be lashed 100 times found in Sunnah How to do trade and in which items trade is done is found in Quran and Sunnah and many many many other laws of economy trade crime social life and many others are found in Quran and Sunnah

Thank you - so "extraction" is then referred to as "rules" -- and of course the Real Muslim's passion for Sadism, the punishments and the juicy illegals sexual intercourse, these are never far from the mind of the Real muslim -- nor should they be, after all, what if these candidates do not know of this "extraction"? And of illegal sexual intercourse between men and women? I mean some of these candidates could be women and there is the famous fatwa which enjoins women to offer their breasts to men they not related to and in this way, make them familiar - Islam has many rules, not just 4 books but perhaps many more books may be necessary.

And the hadith, it may take more than just one book for these, ok, may be one really big book

And you say Jihad is not a pillar of Islam?

 

[Zarvan]

Thank you - so "extraction" is then referred to as "rules" -- and of course the Real Muslim's passion for Sadism, the punishments and the juicy illegals sexual intercourse, these are never far from the mind of the Real muslim -- nor should they be, after all, what if these candidates do not know of this "extraction"? And of illegal sexual intercourse between men and women? I mean some of these candidates could be women and there is the famous fatwa which enjoins women to offer their breasts to men they not related to and in this way, make them familiar - Islam has many rules, not just 4 books but perhaps many more books may be necessary.

And you say Jihad is not a pillar of Islam?

And the fatwa you mentioned you don't even know the background so first know things before talking crap and their are other rules as well those are big details which are not needed to be learn by every one Ulemas are enough for that basic information can be covered in 4 books maximum

 

[Jango]

.... Ulemas are enough for that basic information can be covered in 4 books maximum

Which Ulema? The one which you believe, or the one which a guy from Jhang believes, or the one which a Shia believes? Or a one which a Barelvi believes?