Is An Assasination Of Leadership About To Happen In Pakistan!

[unleashed]

Sometimes I Feel they have left NS there with his fake democracy for this purpose

You are right
That is the ugly truth dear.

 

[Khalidr]

But this time scenario is totally different if we compare it with Zia era, China relation with Pakistan is more stronger than ever and china invested huge amount of money, again creating any instability in Pakistan by foreign powers is messing directly with Chinese because of their vested interest in Pakistan, Second Russian relationship with Pakistan is getting more stronger day by day due to regional shift of powers and interests and most importantly Pakistani people’s relation with and feeling for army. Citizens of Pakistan realized and aware that the only savior of Pakistan is Pak army against any aggression either from our direct enemies or by corrupt and sold politicians. Any aggression will be retaliated very strongly and God forbid if any such thing happened to Raheel Sharif the only dead bodies will be of the politicians who sold our nation patriotic life for their own lives and money, the end result will be of Muamar Qadafi.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi,

The thing is that thru all this turmoil---there is a very strong ray of hope for Pakistan emerging now---. The rudderless boat has an oar now----it has a direction and it has a focus and it has goals.

To achieve those goas---there will need to be some very serious and concerning decision that will take place.

If it comes thru it, right and straight---Pakistan would emerge as a strong nation politically---financially and militarily. And that is a position that many a nations might not like Pakistan to be in.

A weak and a meandering Pakistan is of no concern to anyone----a strong and projecting Pakistan is worrisome---. A strong Pakistan would be more demanding of its position in the world order----so---would there ever arrive a need to curtail the progress of Pakistan to put it back to where it belonged for a long time!

continuing from my last post re your subject title.
do you agree with me that the forces who would like to eliminate leadership (political and/ or military) would like to discredit Pakistan military which is seeing some unprecedented support and following among the masses?

discredit military how? remove its current COAS and have someone like Kyani or Jahangir Karamat who no one will care then they came and went OR remove COAS through a violent act and get NS to promote a General like karamat or kyani etc.

and then bank on the politicians that they will continue to fill their pockets and continue with their show bouts with their political opponent?s

in my view, killing our army chief might backfire for the planners and might result in more assertive military with the population behind it putting more pressure on NS to do the reform, nab financial and violent criminals and see that PCEC stays on track.

the counter to such attempt and achieve what you wrote above is that we make institutions so strong that we dont have to rely on personalities and the good work continues even after the loss of its leader,.

 

[macnurv]

Hi,

My innocent young brother---this is a brutal world----. In real world---you take the worst case scenario and then build up on that----. If you prepare ahead of problems---you can fight them better.

Mastan sahab, in the end there are only two realities of this world, death and taxes. Your basing your whole argument on an assumption based on a negative thought that came to your mind, nothing more. Preparing for any eventuality is easier said than done.

 

[Shamain]

Hi,

Pakistan is going in the right direction as of now thru the direct role of pak military into managing and maintaining the country. As the things are getting better---should there be a concern that powers to be may want to create instability in the country and assassinate those who are in a position to make the difference.

Pakistan has also started talking to Russia---and possibly signing deals of interest---and General Raheel visiting Russia lately----would that create any issues in the western block. There is a general shift of Pakistan towards Russia as pakistan has gotten tired of the " blame game " and " do more " kind of rhetoric that the americans had been singing for a longtime time.

Is the united states of America concerned enough to do something radical to destabilize Pakistan so that it does not emerge out of the chaos that it has been living in for the last many years.

It is for sure that the U S would not let go of Pakistan without giving it a fight---but would it go to the extent of assassinating the power base in Pakistan to make a point and keep Pakistan under control.


What carrot would Nawaz Sharif dangle in front of the americans asking for a favor to get rid of Gen Raheel and his team---.

Or what kind of promises would the americans make to Nawaz Sharif t get rid of Gen Raheel and his team on his coming visit the next month.

So---is there an assassination on the table----or is there a pack your bags kind of deal about to happen.

Ummm u know how noobish my posts are but im still going to write.

From what i know abt zardari coming to power and current day scenario, things seem quite different to me.

Last year dharnas and thanx to imran khan's efforts he has managed to educate the public what real democracy is,what it means. As in, a democratic gov is one such gov where not even a single vote is stolen. He has managed to engage and evoke political activism in an otherwise indifferent population that had no interest left in politics cuz they had lost hope in system.

From what i can guess this is an entirely unique thing to happen in pakistan's history and perhaps things werent like that when zardari was installed,. Then Musharraf's rule was an autocratic military rule where demcracy wasnt allowed to grow ,that thing had created a political vacuum too , and ppl had lost the choices to pick a civilian ruler. Then ofcourse we know abt foreign powers meddling in our affairs.

If nawaz gets killed it wont be blamed on coas. Instead it will be a source of joy for a nation seeking to kick out nawaz sharif and get imran appointed as pm.

So the chances of assassination cud be more of imran khan. If imran goes , a populist leader will be lost and ppl 'might' be forced to keep up with status quo. Which again wudnt be so benefitial for usa as long as a conscientious coas as raheel is in power.

So either imran or coas. This time its not an easy game for usa imo.

 

[Falgrine]

@MastanKhan US was infatuated with Pakistan due to Pakistan's own antics as well...we can not discount that.

We called our nuclear bomb "Islamic bomb"...we engaged in nuclear proliferation.

We started a reckless war with India and then expected the US to come to our aid.

Albeit the Americans supported the jihadists against the Soviets...it was Pakistan which bestowed upon them the Godhood which was bound to ring some alarms later on.

The nation's immaturity and recklessness earned itself lack of respect and trust on a global level. The US was quite pro-Pakistan in the beginning and helped us a lot.

The case of the exploding mangoes is more of a KGB thing than the CIA...Zia was a total Arab/American lackey and a sycophant.

A nice summary of our rather bitter sweet type of relationship .

 

[alibaz]

Sir rest assure, every one is watching the master stroke with his / her fingers between the teeth.
This guy Asim Hussain was with Zardari in US, when CIA was making redundant deal with Zardari.
following your lead, i see Nawaz Sharif / Imran Khan as potential targets of their own handlers.

They have to kill Bilawal to make Zardari win some seats. I believe if they kill zardari and claim that their CIA did it, in that scenario they can win Pakistani hearts

 

[Metanoia]

A nice summary of our rather bitter sweet type of relationship .

US will not do anything to Pakistan as long as Pakistan is not being reckless and immature...it is that simple. One thing which I absolutely dislike is that we are quick to point fingers with absolute conviction but never ever measure our own faults, double games and shortcomings which lead to various consequences. Instead we justify them by saying..."So what? Everyone else does it too" Sure everyone else does it too but once they have a proper standing and respect on the international arena. Can you imagine a new kid at school trying to act all cool and gangster? They usually get their butts kicked and get shunned.

I did not even mention the two key issues which led the US to really start hating our guts...1) Israeli issue and 2) Ohjri saga.

Some members would argue that it is Israel which started the hostilities by allying with India and trying to stop our nuclear programme. I would argue that Pakistan was very hostile since the inception of Israel...did not recognize because of ummah bullcrap and Arab servitude....and actively partook in the wars against them. How would you reckon the Americans would react?

Then you've the Ohjri saga...making an utter fool out of ourselves. I wanted to mention if we let the Chinese look at our F-16s as well....but to be honest I have zero idea if there is any truth to it at all.

Then you have the general hostility (hypocrisy) of the Pakistani public....which is shaped by the clergy and establishment. You love burning their flags...cursing them out...but as once a US diplomat said, open the queue for the visa and the entire nation will run towards it. Tell me will it earn any respect whatsoever?

Pakistan has finally started to act mature with one of they key indicators being the non-participation in the Yemen conflict. The world took notice of that including the US, the Russians and other countries too. We are conducting operations against the terrorists and eradicating extremism. Once Pakistan becomes a fully mature country it will automatically earn the (then) deserved respect it craves.

Liaquat Ali Khan's visit to the US in 1950...

 

[Falgrine]

US will not do anything to Pakistan as long as Pakistan is not being reckless and immature

Exactly. The mistrust is of-course mutual but to be fair it has been more of our doings in the past that has lead to our outright ostracization these days. They gave us a great deal of military aid in 50-60s after joining SEATO/CENTO but we funneled that to our ill-thought / ill-planned war against India. And since then, what has not been done. Again, its not all of our fault but we have more than the due share in this relationship fiasco. Wish we had statesmen leading the country and we had more respect in the community of nations.

I was recently in the US for a few days, and the way i was singled out of the queue at the airport and questioned for being a Pakistani, was quite humiliating indeed (they let me in eventually, i was there for a conference). But i am not that naive to say, Oh they hate Pakistanis/Muslims, hence that (or shall i say only that ). We need to do some introspection and see what's wrong that the world equate us with all the other "Special" countries.

 

[MastanKhan]

continuing from my last post re your subject title.
do you agree with me that the forces who would like to eliminate leadership (political and/ or military) would like to discredit Pakistan military which is seeing some unprecedented support and following among the masses?

discredit military how? remove its current COAS and have someone like Kyani or Jahangir Karamat who no one will care then they came and went OR remove COAS through a violent act and get NS to promote a General like karamat or kyani etc.

and then bank on the politicians that they will continue to fill their pockets and continue with their show bouts with their political opponent?s

in my view, killing our army chief might backfire for the planners and might result in more assertive military with the population behind it putting more pressure on NS to do the reform, nab financial and violent criminals and see that PCEC stays on track.

the counter to such attempt and achieve what you wrote above is that we make institutions so strong that we dont have to rely on personalities and the good work continues even after the loss of its leader,.

Hi,

Thank you---you hit it right on the head----. I think that for the new Pakistani military---people like Jehangir Karamt--Aslam Beg---Kiyani need to be weeded out sooner----they should never get to the rank of a general.

And as you stated in your last para----the next man coming in should take the position on a run and keep on ging forward----.

 

[SQ8]

If the americans wanted the welfare of Pakistan---they would not have forced Benazir on Pakistan and after her death---they would not have forced Zardari on Pakistan either---.

"I did not say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you".
Comes to mind.

Exactly. The mistrust is of-course mutual but to be fair it has been more of our doings in the past that has lead to our outright ostracization these days. They gave us a great deal of military aid in 50-60s after joining SEATO/CENTO but we funneled that to our ill-thought / ill-planned war against India. And since then, what has not been done. Again, its not all of our fault but we have more than the due share in this relationship fiasco. Wish we had statesmen leading the country and we had more respect in the community of nations.

I was recently in the US for a few days, and the way i was singled out of the queue at the airport and questioned for being a Pakistani, was quite humiliating indeed (they let me in eventually, i was there for a conference). But i am not that naive to say, Oh they hate Pakistanis/Muslims, hence that (or shall i say only that ). We need to do some introspection and see what's wrong that the world equate us with all the other "Special" countries.

I was also in a US airport a while back, I was not singled out.. joked around... went through security and immigration in 4 minutes considering I was a new guy in . On the other hand, a Arab student was arrested because he was simply being an arse with TSA and not cooperating.

But I wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph.

 

[nForce]

Hi,

Pakistan is going in the right direction as of now thru the direct role of pak military into managing and maintaining the country. As the things are getting better---should there be a concern that powers to be may want to create instability in the country and assassinate those who are in a position to make the difference.

Pakistan has also started talking to Russia---and possibly signing deals of interest---and General Raheel visiting Russia lately----would that create any issues in the western block. There is a general shift of Pakistan towards Russia as pakistan has gotten tired of the " blame game " and " do more " kind of rhetoric that the americans had been singing for a longtime time.

Is the united states of America concerned enough to do something radical to destabilize Pakistan so that it does not emerge out of the chaos that it has been living in for the last many years.

It is for sure that the U S would not let go of Pakistan without giving it a fight---but would it go to the extent of assassinating the power base in Pakistan to make a point and keep Pakistan under control.


What carrot would Nawaz Sharif dangle in front of the americans asking for a favor to get rid of Gen Raheel and his team---.

Or what kind of promises would the americans make to Nawaz Sharif t get rid of Gen Raheel and his team on his coming visit the next month.

So---is there an assassination on the table----or is there a pack your bags kind of deal about to happen.

You are getting more and more paranoid these days, old man, no offence meant.

 

[mzeeshanfahd]

Dear Mastan Bahi,

You are a wise guy that much I know atleast from reading this forum and I do not need to remind you that .... Abhi abhi siasat.pk band hoi hai .... and opening up such a thread are you inviting FI of As$... this is on the lighter part now I come to the point that I want to make here

EVERYTHING IS NOT IN THE CONTROL OF US OF A (Afghanistan/Pakistan is a clear example )

there was a recent very short news on some people caught with intent like your fear above I suppose that you are pointing towards that or you know something in detail .... let me assure you SIR .... there is a creator of this whole world some where in the picture too every thing is not decided by these worldly so called leaders .... and at this moment there are very less worthy Muslim states left and PAKISTAN is definitely in that list and if you look at the previous 8 to 10 years you should know by now that we have been given a chance by the ALMIGHTY after so much sacrifice my feeling is that he wants us for something and we have to do that job ..... so let me assure you on HIS behalf we will In sha ALLAH get through .....



out of this mess and out of the hands of NS.... HE has given us this hope in the form of RS ..... the one who has given us hope will protect that hope as well .... so chear up and raise your morale we will get through these times ..... I am not saying it will be easy but I am telling you no need to be worried and no need to look back and yes also no need to start such demoralizing threads ..... no matter what we will go forward mark my words ...


Oh yes can you please tell me how to give you negative rating for starting such a thread .... if you tell me I may think again and will not give you negative rating ...

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Ummm u know how noobish my posts are but im still going to write.

From what i know abt zardari coming to power and current day scenario, things seem quite different to me.

Last year dharnas and thanx to imran khan's efforts he has managed to educate the public what real democracy is,what it means. As in, a democratic gov is one such gov where not even a single vote is stolen. He has managed to engage and evoke political activism in an otherwise indifferent population that had no interest left in politics cuz they had lost hope in system.

From what i can guess this is an entirely unique thing to happen in pakistan's history and perhaps things werent like that when zardari was installed,. Then Musharraf's rule was an autocratic military rule where demcracy wasnt allowed to grow ,that thing had created a political vacuum too , and ppl had lost the choices to pick a civilian ruler. Then ofcourse we know abt foreign powers meddling in our affairs.

If nawaz gets killed it wont be blamed on coas. Instead it will be a source of joy for a nation seeking to kick out nawaz sharif and get imran appointed as pm.

So the chances of assassination cud be more of imran khan. If imran goes , a populist leader will be lost and ppl 'might' be forced to keep up with status quo. Which again wudnt be so benefitial for usa as long as a conscientious coas as raheel is in power.

So either imran or coas. This time its not an easy game for usa imo.

how could I miss out Imran Khan. like Raheel, Imran Khan also gave hope and created a following across Pakistan among the people of Pakistan. any harm to him can cause a lot of negative reaction and dismay among the people
thanks for your post

 

[Falgrine]

"I did not say it was your fault, I said I was going to blame you".
Comes to mind.



I was also in a US airport a while back, I was not singled out.. joked around... went through security and immigration in 4 minutes considering I was a new guy in . On the other hand, a Arab student was arrested because he was simply being an arse with TSA and not cooperating.

But I wholeheartedly agree with your first paragraph.

I have been living in Europe for more than six years now, and no, i did not mess around with any of the Officers. Infact i flew from Germany not from Pakistan. So i think that my Passport or my Surname (which is Khan) for that matter, did the trick then. I am happy that you had a better experience .