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[sahureka2]

It could be a mockup and the rest of the works can be generated by computer

looking at the photos it looks like a real F-14 Tomcat and, yes, the rest of the works can be generated by computer

 

[Hack-Hook]

looking at the photos it looks like a real F-14 Tomcat and, yes, the rest of the works can be generated by computer

Well they destroyed some critical part but you can find many airframe in museums around the USA.

 

[ashool]

looking at the photos it looks like a real F-14 Tomcat and, yes, the rest of the works can be generated by computer

its f15 . f14 is 2 cabin

 

[Hack-Hook]

its f15 . f14 is 2 cabin

Well I see two cabin there by the way f15 have two cabin variant (f15 b, f15 d, f15 dj)

And this is f15 frontal view

 

[sahureka2]

Well I see two cabin there by the way f15 have two cabin variant (f15 b, f15 d, f15 dj)

And this is f15 frontal view

therefore in this aircraft you identify it as an F-15 ?? / !!

 

[Hack-Hook]

therefore in this aircraft you identify it as an F-15 ?? / !!

not exactly , by looking at frontal view , intakes , wing shape , I say they loaned one F-14 air-frame from somewhere

 

[sahureka2]

Does everyone live on the planet Mars?

The Arms embargo was only a recent restriction. Look at the last 20-30 years WHEN there was WAS NO arms embargo. What did Iran WANT? What did it END UP getting?

Russia and china repeatedly screwed over Iran.

So let’s stop acting like after 2020 they are going to grow some balls and stand up to USA.

Fact is neither Russia nor China wants a powerful Iran, hence why they approved SANCTIONS.

Planet Mars ? no! Planet Earth !
last 20-30 years - officially
Russia
14 MiG-29 delivered in 1990 + 20 delivered in 1991 + 6 delivered again in 1993/1994.
12 SU-24 aircraft supplied by Russia in 1991
China
17 F-7N + 4 FT-7N
Switzerland
45 Pilatus PC-7
so we must add the numerous aircraft that arrived from Iraq in 1991, which may have led the government to decide to postpone direct purchases.
Then came the international sanctions that effectively closed the market

 

[TheImmortal]

Planet Mars ? no! Planet Earth !
last 20-30 years - officially
Russia
14 MiG-29 delivered in 1990 + 20 delivered in 1991 + 6 delivered again in 1993/1994.
12 SU-24 aircraft supplied by Russia in 1991
China
17 F-7N + 4 FT-7N
Switzerland
45 Pilatus PC-7
so we must add the numerous aircraft that arrived from Iraq in 1991, which may have led the government to decide to postpone direct purchases.
Then came the international sanctions that effectively closed the market

Those were pity orders! 20 Migs? Are you kidding me? I can’t believe you are thumping your chest at such a pathetic order.

Go look at what Iran requested initially and then what it had to settle for after the West put pressure on Russia.

It’s sad that people magically think the US is going to allow Iran to build up a 300+ Aircraft of 4&5th gen. Zero incentive for US to allow that unless Iran agrees to restriction on missile programme in exchange for the ability to build up its airforce and navy.

US is in full blown containment strategy on iran, in such a strategy you try your best to prevent your adversary from becoming MORE powerful.

 

[T-72B]

Those were pity orders! 20 Migs? Are you kidding me? I can’t believe you are thumping your chest at such a pathetic order.

Go look at what Iran requested initially and then what it had to settle for after the West put pressure on Russia.

It’s sad that people magically think the US is going to allow Iran to build up a 300+ Aircraft of 4&5th gen. Zero incentive for US to allow that unless Iran agrees to restriction on missile programme in exchange for the ability to build up its airforce and navy.

US is in full blown containment strategy on iran, in such a strategy you try your best to prevent your adversary from becoming MORE powerful.

?
14+20+6= 40 lol where the hell you get that 20 number?

 

[sahureka2]

Those were pity orders! 20 Migs? Are you kidding me? I can’t believe you are thumping your chest at such a pathetic order.

Go look at what Iran requested initially and then what it had to settle for after the West put pressure on Russia.

It’s sad that people magically think the US is going to allow Iran to build up a 300+ Aircraft of 4&5th gen. Zero incentive for US to allow that unless Iran agrees to restriction on missile programme in exchange for the ability to build up its airforce and navy.

US is in full blown containment strategy on iran, in such a strategy you try your best to prevent your adversary from becoming MORE powerful.

you have to excuse me, but you're climbing on the mirrors, because the numbers decrease, the Russian fighter planes were 52 and not 20, then you have to add the 20 Chinese aircraft and 45 Swiss training aircraft and in that short period of time, I am a large number.
So you can certainly write what you like best, but if you voluntarily indicate incorrect data and numbers, you risk losing credibility.
To conclude, yes, it is true that the Russians have stopped supplies under the solicitation of the United States, but for completeness, it should be added that at the time the president of the Russian Federation was Yeltsin, much more malleable than Putin today, but today the sanctions UN are still active, as the 5 + 1 agreement is still in force, and everyone is respecting it, minus one who has withdrawn the signature.
Everything is postponed to 2020.
The last part of your response, given the flags that follow your nickname, I can understand, but really believe that today the situation is just that .... and that Iran after 2020 could not have a direct help or indirect from China and / or Russia?
I wish a good continuation in this "technical" debate

 

[Navigator]

Planet Mars ? no! Planet Earth !
last 20-30 years - officially
Russia
14 MiG-29 delivered in 1990 + 20 delivered in 1991 + 6 delivered again in 1993/1994.
12 SU-24 aircraft supplied by Russia in 1991
China
17 F-7N + 4 FT-7N
Switzerland
45 Pilatus PC-7
so we must add the numerous aircraft that arrived from Iraq in 1991, which may have led the government to decide to postpone direct purchases.
Then came the international sanctions that effectively closed the market

+ 6 Su-25 for IRGC that were purchased in 2003-05

 

[TheImmortal]

you have to excuse me, but you're climbing on the mirrors, because the numbers decrease, the Russian fighter planes were 52 and not 20, then you have to add the 20 Chinese aircraft and 45 Swiss training aircraft and in that short period of time, I am a large number.
So you can certainly write what you like best, but if you voluntarily indicate incorrect data and numbers, you risk losing credibility.
To conclude, yes, it is true that the Russians have stopped supplies under the solicitation of the United States, but for completeness, it should be added that at the time the president of the Russian Federation was Yeltsin, much more malleable than Putin today, but today the sanctions UN are still active, as the 5 + 1 agreement is still in force, and everyone is respecting it, minus one who has withdrawn the signature.
Everything is postponed to 2020.
The last part of your response, given the flags that follow your nickname, I can understand, but really believe that today the situation is just that .... and that Iran after 2020 could not have a direct help or indirect from China and / or Russia?
I wish a good continuation in this "technical" debate

In 1990, economic conditions had improved sufficiently for Tehran to place an order for 48 additional MiG-29s and 24 MiG-31s. However, the break-up of the Soviet Union and pressure from the USA prevented the conclusion of any of the related contracts.

In 1992, Tehran ordered 48 MiG-29s, 24 MiG-27s, 24 MiG-31s, 12 Tu-22 bombers and two A-50 radar planes. The Russians were eager to sell, but immense pressure from Washington — including an outright offer to buy the 24 MiG-31s in question at a higher price than Tehran could offer — prompted Moscow to cancel this deal.

https://warisboring.com/iran-is-too-much-of-a-mess-to-acquire-russian-weaponry/

You blame Yeltsin for the lack of arms contrasts, but it seems you lack the capacity to recall the S-300 contract that happened under Putin? Only the threat of losing in World Court and having to pay Iran BILLIONS in breach of contract fees forced Russia to relent nearly 10 years after the contract was signed. That was for a DEFENSIVE arms order that was completely legal at the time. So you are mistaken putting your faith in russia.

So from 2000-2010 what offensive arms did Iran get from a Russia?

US is working to make sure 2020 Embargo stays in place and doesn’t expire.

Even if by some chance Russia sells iran Su-30 (Su-35 unlikely) without production in Iran and control of spare parts production Iran will be in a similar situation post Shah era. It will be completely reliant on Russia to keep supplying Iran with what it needs to keep the planes flying.

Least not you forget that also under Putin Russia refused to modernize Iran’s kilo subs in Iran. They requested Iran deliver the subs to Moscow for modernization. Iran was so afraid that Russia would delay or never return the kilo subs that they proceeded without Russia!

 

[sahureka2]

In 1990, economic conditions had improved sufficiently for Tehran to place an order for 48 additional MiG-29s and 24 MiG-31s. However, the break-up of the Soviet Union and pressure from the USA prevented the conclusion of any of the related contracts.

In 1992, Tehran ordered 48 MiG-29s, 24 MiG-27s, 24 MiG-31s, 12 Tu-22 bombers and two A-50 radar planes. The Russians were eager to sell, but immense pressure from Washington — including an outright offer to buy the 24 MiG-31s in question at a higher price than Tehran could offer — prompted Moscow to cancel this deal.

https://warisboring.com/iran-is-too-much-of-a-mess-to-acquire-russian-weaponry/

You blame Yeltsin for the lack of arms contrasts, but it seems you lack the capacity to recall the S-300 contract that happened under Putin? Only the threat of losing in World Court and having to pay Iran BILLIONS in breach of contract fees forced Russia to relent nearly 10 years after the contract was signed. That was for a DEFENSIVE arms order that was completely legal at the time. So you are mistaken putting your faith in russia.

So from 2000-2010 what offensive arms did Iran get from a Russia?

US is working to make sure 2020 Embargo stays in place and doesn’t expire.

Even if by some chance Russia sells iran Su-30 (Su-35 unlikely) without production in Iran and control of spare parts production Iran will be in a similar situation post Shah era. It will be completely reliant on Russia to keep supplying Iran with what it needs to keep the planes flying.

Least not you forget that also under Putin Russia refused to modernize Iran’s kilo subs in Iran. They requested Iran deliver the subs to Moscow for modernization. Iran was so afraid that Russia would delay or never return the kilo subs that they proceeded without Russia!

it is not correct to change the cards on the table, first indicate 20-30 years, now after the answers indicate from 2000-2010 !!
S-300 Russia delivered them - Yes or No?
50 engines for the Mig-29 were delivered - Yes or No?
following
SU-24 have been updated and maintained efficient, you do not agree that someone must have supplied spare parts?
10 of the 40 SU-22 after many years are back in flight conditions, miracle?, No! certainly the Iranian technicians have done a great job, but in any case someone has had to provide many important and indispensable spare parts, maybe there was something left in the Iraqi and Yemeni warehouses, or do they come from Syria? Syria, so probable, in this case only as an intermittent transit, but the material starts from another geographical place.

After 2020, the US will certainly try to block UN permits for the sale of weapon systems including fighter planes to the Iranians, and the Iranians will try to buy them or at least buy the heart of the plane to build around their aircraft.
SU-30 or Mig-35 hypothesis and future problems with the Russians as happened with the US?
the answer you gave her by remembering the indigenous repair of Kilo submarines
Embargoes, sanctions or denials to a nation with a good industry can cause temporary problems, but then urges this nation to resolve the situation at home, achieving what others do not want to provide.
Therefore, Iran will try to buy a number of new aircraft from other countries to replace some aircraft at the end of their operational life, but mindful of the past at the same time will try to develop an indigenous aircraft or cooperating with others or as a last to license it .

therefore, in repeating myself, do not change the cards on the table, otherwise you risk losing your credibility and nobody will want to answer your assertions any more.

Ciao

 

[Oldman1]

not exactly , by looking at frontal view , intakes , wing shape , I say they loaned one F-14 air-frame from somewhere

Possibly private owners or from a museum. Or could get one from the boneyard.

 

[Tokhme khar]

You are wasting your time with that guy. He knows sweet fukk all. He's an MKO operative.

it is not correct to change the cards on the table, first indicate 20-30 years, now after the answers indicate from 2000-2010 !!
S-300 Russia delivered them - Yes or No?
50 engines for the Mig-29 were delivered - Yes or No?
following
SU-24 have been updated and maintained efficient, you do not agree that someone must have supplied spare parts?
10 of the 40 SU-22 after many years are back in flight conditions, miracle?, No! certainly the Iranian technicians have done a great job, but in any case someone has had to provide many important and indispensable spare parts, maybe there was something left in the Iraqi and Yemeni warehouses, or do they come from Syria? Syria, so probable, in this case only as an intermittent transit, but the material starts from another geographical place.

After 2020, the US will certainly try to block UN permits for the sale of weapon systems including fighter planes to the Iranians, and the Iranians will try to buy them or at least buy the heart of the plane to build around their aircraft.
SU-30 or Mig-35 hypothesis and future problems with the Russians as happened with the US?
the answer you gave her by remembering the indigenous repair of Kilo submarines
Embargoes, sanctions or denials to a nation with a good industry can cause temporary problems, but then urges this nation to resolve the situation at home, achieving what others do not want to provide.
Therefore, Iran will try to buy a number of new aircraft from other countries to replace some aircraft at the end of their operational life, but mindful of the past at the same time will try to develop an indigenous aircraft or cooperating with others or as a last to license it .

therefore, in repeating myself, do not change the cards on the table, otherwise you risk losing your credibility and nobody will want to answer your assertions any more.

Ciao