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[Ray_Atek]

If the IRIAf wanted to build its own version of the F-20 tiger shark couldn't they just buy RD-33s from Russia or a third country?

Iran bought 50 RD33 engine for Azarakhsh project at Ahmadinejad time.

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/russia-iran-new-jet-engine

 

[Sineva]

If the IRIAf wanted to build its own version of the F-20 tiger shark couldn't they just buy RD-33s from Russia or a third country?

If the russians were reliable that might be a plan,but then if the russians were reliable you could just buy all the new fighters you needed from them instead......unfortunately the russians are not reliable.
The only way having the russians supplying the engines would work,would be if it was buying a large number in one single order and having them delivered at the same time ie 50 engines.Anther option might be license production,but that would depend on the terms,one of the problems the indians had was russian insistence on buying certain materiels ie titanium from russian suppliers at over inflated prices.
As for a third country,well there are only a handful of low bypass turbofan manufacturers in the world producing engines in this class,so if it isnt russia that only leaves china and their engines still arent quite up to the standards of the other manufacturers,for instance paks chinese designed jf17 uses russian rd33 engines rather than chinese ws10.
I suppose one other option would be having rouhani and zarif offer to perform an anilingus-fellatio double team on the euro vassals in return for their jet engines.I`m joking obviously,as everyone knows that they`re already doing that for free anyway.[LOL!]

Iran bought 50 RD33 engine for Azarakhsh project at Ahmadinejad time.

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/russia-iran-new-jet-engine

No,these were for irans existing mig29 fleet.

 

[Ray_Atek]

If the russians were reliable that might be a plan,but then if the russians were reliable you could just buy all the new fighters you needed from them instead......unfortunately the russians are not reliable.
The only way having the russians supplying the engines would work,would be if it was buying a large number in one single order and having them delivered at the same time ie 50 engines.Anther option might be license production,but that would depend on the terms,one of the problems the indians had was russian insistence on buying certain materiels ie titanium from russian suppliers at over inflated prices.
As for a third country,well there are only a handful of low bypass turbofan manufacturers in the world producing engines in this class,so if it isnt russia that only leaves china and their engines still arent quite up to the standards of the other manufacturers,for instance paks chinese designed jf17 uses russian rd33 engines rather than chinese ws10.
I suppose one other option would be having rouhani and zarif offer to perform an anilingus-fellatio double team on the euro vassals in return for their jet engines.I`m joking obviously,as everyone knows that they`re already doing that for free anyway.[LOL!]


No,these were for irans existing mig29 fleet.

It was front view of contract not what actually has done.

 

[Sineva]

It was front view of contract not what actually has done.

It seems rather odd to order 50 engines,ie the number you would need to reengine most of irans operational mig29 fleet,when you havent even yet built a single prototype of the azaraksh powered by an rd33 engine.

 

[Ray_Atek]

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China_Eyes_J-10A_Sale_To_Iran_999.html

It seems rather odd to order 50 engines,ie the number you would need to reengine most of irans operational mig29 fleet,when you havent even yet built a single prototype of the azaraksh powered by an rd33 engine.

Other project has named Azarakhsh with 8 ton as empty weight and old Azarakhsh project which was based on f-5 renamed to kowsar.

 

[Sineva]

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/China_Eyes_J-10A_Sale_To_Iran_999.html


Other project has named Azarakhsh with 8 ton as empty weight and old Azarakhsh project which was based on f-5 renamed to kowsar.

That stupid proclivity for using the same names over again
Any pictures or prototypes of it by any chance?,even just a drawing or artist impression?

 

[Ray_Atek]

That stupid proclivity for using the same names over again
Any pictures or prototypes of it by any chance?,even just a drawing or artist impression?

Look at this model

And this single engine f5

 

[OldTwilight]

Look at this modelView attachment 524807

And this single engine f5
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just don't post some useless model pictures .... talk just when there is to talk about ...

 

[skyshadow]

 

[mohsen]

good information about Iran's MIG-29 specifications:
آپارات - گزارش ویدئویی تسنیم از اورهال جنگنده میگ-29

 

[T-72B]

good information about Iran's MIG-29 specifications:
آپارات - گزارش ویدئویی تسنیم از اورهال جنگنده میگ-29

Meaning please

 

[Sineva]

Meaning please

Yes,a translation/synopsis would be nice,thanks.

 

[VEVAK]

Meaning please

Yes,a translation/synopsis would be nice,thanks.

It's just a link to a video about the MiG-29 overhaul program and they are simply explaining various simple spec of the aircraft and some of its subsystems like Radar's detection range, max targeting range and optimal targeting range, IRST range, info about ejection seat & it's parts,.....

To me by the most part it shows what's wrong with IRIAF and how it's stuck in it's old way's if IRIAF was smart they would of had teams of young and smart engineers working round the clock to improving every part, section & subsystems of the aircraft over the past decade to improve on the aircraft by make it lighter & by improving on each subsystem and all together making it far more capable so by 2018 WHAT WE SHOULD OF HEARD from these guys is how they reduced the overall weight of the aircraft by replacing low stress part with composites, who they went from a purely analog and mechanical system to a digital and how they completely replaced and redesigned Hydraulics, added an advanced Fly by wire systems with fiber optics & new sensors running thought the inside and outside of the aircraft and how the entire cockpit was digitized and replaced. how they built a new advanced Iranian built helmet mounted display, how they added a new ramjet Iranian APU to further enhance it's electrical power output capabilities allowing them to further add newer sensor, computers and electronics..... how an advance data link added allows them to share instant sensor data with other fighters and ground control.....

 

[Hack-Hook]

who they went from a purely analog and mechanical system to a digital and how they completely replaced and redesigned Hydraulics, added an advanced Fly by wire systems with fiber optics & new sensors running thought the inside and outside of the aircraft and how the entire cockpit was digitized and replaced.

please don't mess with Mig-29 Hydraulics , it's one of the must advanced and complex in the world ,but yes if you change that you can reduce a lot from the airplanes weight ,but honestly first design a simple fly by wire then for F-5 or so and then try to tinker with Mig-29

 

[Sineva]

It's just a link to a video about the MiG-29 overhaul program and they are simply explaining various simple spec of the aircraft and some of its subsystems like Radar's detection range, max targeting range and optimal targeting range, IRST range, info about ejection seat & it's parts,.....

To me by the most part it shows what's wrong with IRIAF and how it's stuck in it's old way's if IRIAF was smart they would of had teams of young and smart engineers working round the clock to improving every part, section & subsystems of the aircraft over the past decade to improve on the aircraft by make it lighter & by improving on each subsystem and all together making it far more capable so by 2018 WHAT WE SHOULD OF HEARD from these guys is how they reduced the overall weight of the aircraft by replacing low stress part with composites, who they went from a purely analog and mechanical system to a digital and how they completely replaced and redesigned Hydraulics, added an advanced Fly by wire systems with fiber optics & new sensors running thought the inside and outside of the aircraft and how the entire cockpit was digitized and replaced. how they built a new advanced Iranian built helmet mounted display, how they added a new ramjet Iranian APU to further enhance it's electrical power output capabilities allowing them to further add newer sensor, computers and electronics..... how an advance data link added allows them to share instant sensor data with other fighters and ground control.....

Thanks for the synopsis
In addition I also agree with virtually everything you`ve written in this post!.