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Iraqi Uprising 2013

You people sold your own country to America and then to your historical enemy Iran, what a shame, you are untrustable and willing to sell your own homeland to achieve your evil goals which is undermining your country men power, Sunnis. It's treason Alshawi1234 which you have always been known for throughout history.

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Posting pics of random nutjobs who are torching a flag which has the name of 'Allah' in it,while in the same time, chanting 'Allahu Akbar' doesn't make your point right.

Iran is not historical enemy if Iraq, it may have been enemy of West, Alqaeda and Arab dictators and their lapdog, Saddam, but not enemy of majority in Iraq.
Go and torch Iran's flag in center if Baghdad,and have fun being torched by the very same people.
 
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You people sold your own country to America and then to your historical enemy Iran, what a shame, you are untrustable and willing to sell your own homeland to achieve your evil goals which is undermining your country men power, Sunnis. It's treason Alshawi1234 which you have always been known for throughout history.

Hold on a minute, who are "you"people?!!!

They hypocrisy you hold is unbearable, your own country is an American and Israeli ally while you call us traitors? See that's the problem with people like yourself, you blame everyone else before you blame yourselves. Let me remind you of some facts.

After the Iran-Iraq war the gulf states raised up oil production and started asking for the high interest loans back from Iraq, even when Saddam whom you claim to love was in power. Oil prices as a result went down and Iraq couldn't pay that's why Saddam invaded Kuwait.

When the invasion of Kuwait occurred over 30 counries came to fight Iraq. At the same time in 1991 a revolution ignited and took over most of the provinces in order to get rid of Saddam who has got Iraq nothing but war. The Iraqis were depending on the no fly zone in order for the revolution to succeed. But just about when it was to succeed all the foriegn forces withdrew their promise of a no-fly zone and left Iraqis at the mercy of saddams Air Force. That resulted in the killing of over 200,000 and 2 million refugees!! I had relatives sentenced to death during that period.

After that the whole world conspired to implemented the worst sanctions on Iraq, all development as a result stopped in 1991 and Iraq couldn't rebuild after 13 years of war. 3 million people died died as a result if the sanctions. Poverty spread and people barely had money to survive. Even pencils were not allowed to be exported to Iraq because they "may be use for the production if WMD"

After that they conspired against Iraq again and attacked it in 2003. The invading forces were stationed in the following countries.

UAE, QATAR, KUWAIT, JORDAN, and EGYPT.
Did Iran take part in the Invasion? No

It was from Qatar and Kuwait where all the air strikes come from.

When the invasion occurred the Kurds helped the invading forces an Sunni cities in the north where the first to fall. The "Sunni" Kurds looted all the abandoned IA equipment and the banks as well.

Basrah, which is a Shia majority fought for 15 days before it was captured. Most of the soldiers where Shia.

These are the reasons why the Iraqi army abandoned its positions:
-all the high ranking officers ran away
-ill equipped, ill trained, hungry and poor soldiers
-they were no match for the US air forces
-most of them were sick of saddams rule and just wanted to get rid of him

Many of the too Sunni officers quit in exchange for deals with the US, many f them reside in villas in saint Diago USA right now.

Even after the cities were captured the fighting continued especially in Basrah and Najaf. The First cities in which the foreign forces were forced to withdraw was Basrah. The British were experiencing so much resistance that they decided to leave the city for the basrah airport which was a few miles away.

Why should The Shias support a government which has always undermined them in the first place? Over 400,000 Shias killed during saddams reign and the youtube videos should be enough to witness against the Crimes.

When Primier wanted to establish a military government the Shia scholars were the first to object, that forced the US to accept a temporary Iraqi government.

After all that the same countries who helped invade Iraq started supported terrorism. It came to a point when every day over 200 people are killed by bombings and shootings. And these bombings are still occurring daily against Shia targets.

When the new Iraqi government was formed the Arab states refused to acknowledge it, and kept supporting terrorism. Iran took advantage of the absence of Arab influence to gain more infulence in Iraq.

Again, the only reason why Iran gained influence in Iraq is because the Arabs didn't know how to play chess in politics.

Iraq right now is an independent state with its own policy. We have great rivalries with Iran in terms of oil production but we continue to increase oil production regardless of whether Iran likes it or not.

Under the previous regimes, all the resources where taken from the Shia south and distributed in the resource-free Sunni areas while the Shias lived in extreme poverty. The Shias never had say in the government.

Right now there are over 100 Sunni members of parliament and a few ministers. These are the positions that the Sunni Arabs hold: Ministries of education, finance, defence, culture, head of parliament, vice prime minister and Vice President.

All this and you tell me "undermine your own countrymen"

If you want to preach nationalism learn the whole story than come talk about it. Don't be think from one point of view, and don't be throwing stones when your house is made from glass, I don't want to get started about the Arab countries and their treason for their arab brothers, they have a history of conspiring with the enemies. Just look as what happened to Palestine and Iraq as a result of the Arab countries.

I really didn't wish to make such a long reply, but it gets on my nerves when people put all the blame against others while ignoring reality.
 
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Alshawi why doesn't Iraq invade north? And also why is Iraq allowing terrorists on its soil?
 
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BTW, Iraq is democracy we don't need an "uprising" or a "revolution", if bad gets to worse we could easily solve the problem by making early elections.

Syrian style "revlution" (AKA war) is not welcome.
 
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Hold on a minute, who are "you"people?!!!

They hypocrisy you hold is unbearable, your own country is an American and Israeli ally while you call us traitors? See that's the problem with people like yourself, you blame everyone else before you blame yourselves. Let me remind you of some facts.

After the Iran-Iraq war the gulf states raised up oil production and started asking for the high interest loans back from Iraq, even when Saddam whom you claim to love was in power. Oil prices as a result went down and Iraq couldn't pay that's why Saddam invaded Kuwait.

When the invasion of Kuwait occurred over 30 counries came to fight Iraq. At the same time in 1991 a revolution ignited and took over most of the provinces in order to get rid of Saddam who has got Iraq nothing but war. The Iraqis were depending on the no fly zone in order for the revolution to succeed. But just about when it was to succeed all the foriegn forces withdrew their promise of a no-fly zone and left Iraqis at the mercy of saddams Air Force. That resulted in the killing of over 200,000 and 2 million refugees!! I had relatives sentenced to death during that period.

After that the whole world conspired to implemented the worst sanctions on Iraq, all development as a result stopped in 1991 and Iraq couldn't rebuild after 13 years of war. 3 million people died died as a result if the sanctions. Poverty spread and people barely had money to survive. Even pencils were not allowed to be exported to Iraq because they "may be use for the production if WMD"

After that they conspired against Iraq again and attacked it in 2003. The invading forces were stationed in the following countries.

UAE, QATAR, KUWAIT, JORDAN, and EGYPT.
Did Iran take part in the Invasion? No

It was from Qatar and Kuwait where all the air strikes come from.

When the invasion occurred the Kurds helped the invading forces an Sunni cities in the north where the first to fall. The "Sunni" Kurds looted all the abandoned IA equipment and the banks as well.

Basrah, which is a Shia majority fought for 15 days before it was captured. Most of the soldiers where Shia.

These are the reasons why the Iraqi army abandoned its positions:
-all the high ranking officers ran away
-ill equipped, ill trained, hungry and poor soldiers
-they were no match for the US air forces
-most of them were sick of saddams rule and just wanted to get rid of him

Many of the too Sunni officers quit in exchange for deals with the US, many f them reside in villas in saint Diago USA right now.

Even after the cities were captured the fighting continued especially in Basrah and Najaf. The First cities in which the foreign forces were forced to withdraw was Basrah. The British were experiencing so much resistance that they decided to leave the city for the basrah airport which was a few miles away.

Why should The Shias support a government which has always undermined them in the first place? Over 400,000 Shias killed during saddams reign and the youtube videos should be enough to witness against the Crimes.

When Primier wanted to establish a military government the Shia scholars were the first to object, that forced the US to accept a temporary Iraqi government.

After all that the same countries who helped invade Iraq started supported terrorism. It came to a point when every day over 200 people are killed by bombings and shootings. And these bombings are still occurring daily against Shia targets.

When the new Iraqi government was formed the Arab states refused to acknowledge it, and kept supporting terrorism. Iran took advantage of the absence of Arab influence to gain more infulence in Iraq.

Again, the only reason why Iran gained influence in Iraq is because the Arabs didn't know how to play chess in politics.

Iraq right now is an independent state with its own policy. We have great rivalries with Iran in terms of oil production but we continue to increase oil production regardless of whether Iran likes it or not.

Under the previous regimes, all the resources where taken from the Shia south and distributed in the resource-free Sunni areas while the Shias lived in extreme poverty. The Shias never had say in the government.

Right now there are over 100 Sunni members of parliament and a few ministers. These are the positions that the Sunni Arabs hold: Ministries of education, finance, defence, culture, head of parliament, vice prime minister and Vice President.

All this and you tell me "undermine your own countrymen"

If you want to preach nationalism learn the whole story than come talk about it. Don't be think from one point of view, and don't be throwing stones when your house is made from glass, I don't want to get started about the Arab countries and their treason for their arab brothers, they have a history of conspiring with the enemies. Just look as what happened to Palestine and Iraq as a result of the Arab countries.

I really didn't wish to make such a long reply, but it gets on my nerves when people put all the blame against others while ignoring reality.


To be precise there are 141 Sunni law makers (including ethnic Kurds & Turkmen) in Iraqi parliament out of 325 now you can adjudicate yourself the overall population of Sunnis in Iraq.

In my view Iraq itself is an artificial state like the Levantine states of bathist Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine and of course Israel. In future course of correction Iraq will be merged within one or more regional powerhouse likewise the Levant.

It is purely a war of influence going on the Middle East where Sunnite are aligning to minimize the Shiet Iran’s influence in Arab world.

Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries including Turkey would be able to digest the huge Iranian influence in Iraq and we see the result of that.

Turkey tried to maintain good relations with shiet leadership of Iraq and Nuseyri leadership of Syria but She was not able reduce Iranian influence. After bearing in mind that all efforts went in vain and rapprochement did not turn fruitful, Erdogan decided to back off and aligned with co religious Sunnite states of the region

Iran was able to play a chess game in Iran with coreligious of Al- Amaliki and Al Sadr . Iran is able to play huge rule in Syria & Lebanon with the help of Nuseyri Al-Assads and Shiet Hezbollah.

Apart from Shiet regions Iran has none or minimal role in Arab affairs barring little lost influence on Hamas.
The course correction in Middle East will settle with fewer states with more power after the merger of artificial states born out of sykes-picot accord or other colonial conventions.
 
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Your missing a major aspect in your analysis. Al-Maliki and al-sadr are not allies. They are rivals and this rivalry started when the Iraqi army carried out an operation on Jaish almahdi and forced them to stop operating.

All Maliki's opponents have one thing in common, they don't want the state to be stronger than their own parties and militias.they have been openly speaking against arming the Iraqi forces.

Barzani wants too keep his peshmerga militia stronger than the army. The Iraqiya party wants to free all the Sunni terrorists in prison. Sadr also had many of his Jaish almahdi militia in prisons and they all want to empty the prisons from both Shia and Sunni criminals.

They are in the Government but all they do is disrupt the operation of the government, they hold laws from being passed and they try to stop important projects and arming of the military.

Turkey has always supported the Iraqiya bloc but when they failed to get to power the Turks took a different approach to iraq, that is weaken in it by using the Kurds.
 
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lol @ the wahabi that's claiming Kirkuk and other provines for the wahabi camp

Anyway, Iraq needs to have a referendum now. Anbaris can have their own little shitty desert bedouin kingdom and make saddam's family members emperrors. 90% of the oil is in shia hands. Kurdistan also needs to go. 17% of the budget of KRG is being paid by Iraq, no need for that either.
 
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Your missing a major aspect in your analysis. Al-Maliki and al-sadr are not allies. They are rivals and this rivalry started when the Iraqi army carried out an operation on Jaish almahdi and forced them to stop operating.

All Maliki's opponents have one thing in common, they don't want the state to be stronger than their own parties and militias.they have been openly speaking against arming the Iraqi forces.

Barzani wants too keep his peshmerga militia stronger than the army. The Iraqiya party wants to free all the Sunni terrorists in prison. Sadr also had many of his Jaish almahdi militia in prisons and they all want to empty the prisons from both Shia and Sunni criminals.

They are in the Government but all they do is disrupt the operation of the government, they hold laws from being passed and they try to stop important projects and arming of the military.

Turkey has always supported the Iraqiya bloc but when they failed to get to power the Turks took a different approach to iraq, that is weaken in it by using the Kurds.

I didn’t say that Al-Sadr & Al-Maliki are allies if you read it again then you will find that i said that they both are Iranian allies. I am fully aware about the rivalry and swat sharing, sadr’s Mahdinte revolution etc.

Yes Turkey fully backed the Allawi led block of Al-Iraqiya and after winning more seats in the parliament Al-Iraqiya could not form the Government and reason must known to you. You must be aware of Erdogan’s visit Ayatolah Sistani in his last Iraqi tour.
Turkey miserably failed to get support of Shiet leaders of the region on the behest of Iran that has infuriated Erdogan and the result is in front of us.

Suffice to say that the investment made by Turkish leadership did not yield the benefits and they did the course correction and playing safe in Sunnite block.
 
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To be precise there are 141 Sunni law makers (including ethnic Kurds & Turkmen) in Iraqi parliament out of 325 now you can adjudicate yourself the overall population of Sunnis in Iraq.

Correction: Iraqi Turkmens are majority Shia.
 
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Correction: Iraqi Turkmens are majority Shia.

Agrred... but there are some Iraqi Turkemnes who are Sunnite like wise some Iraqi Kurds who are of Shiet faith eg Fulani Kurds. by mentioning Kurds & Turkmen in the box was to clarify the ethnic mix of Sunnite members in the Parliament. In Iraq the sectarian & ethnic mix is very complex .
 
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North Iraq is kurdish majority. The Iraqis don't care about the kurdish land and the majority of Iraqi's want kurdistan to split. but kurdistan doesn't want to because they get their federal budget money from Iraqi oil; they also want to take over "disputed" territories before splitting, they want to take over some cities which are Iraqi and not kurdish. That is something Iraq wont allow.

Attacking the Kurd's would create greater problems and sanctions against Iraq. It would also create many casualties since Iraq still does not have a strong air force.

Terrorism in Iraq is supported and protected by some of the local "sunni" population. They are blending in the community. They do not approach the Army with through direct gun battles, rather they detonate bombs against public areas. These type of attacks are not easy to prevent since they try to blend in as civilians. even if the army manages to stop 20 or 30 car bombs, there are a few that manage to slip.

The most major problem is there is some people in the government who are terrorists and help with transporting weapons and bombs, Tariq Alhashimi is one example.

the other problem is Iraq does still not have a strong enough intelligence service. They is no proper database for ever person with precise ID's that include Addresses, that makes it hard to keep track of all the suspects who may be involved in terrorism.
 
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Kurds are sunnis could not be catogorized as one since they kurds hate Iraqi arabs, they hate Sunni's Iraqis more than they hate Shias. The carrying of saddams pictures and the old Iraqi flag didnt impress the kurds neither. But its politics, everyone is a hypocrite.

more like shia 60%-40% or even 70%-30%. there are whole Turkmen Shia towns
 
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North Iraq is kurdish majority. The Iraqis don't care about the kurdish land and the majority of Iraqi's want kurdistan to split. but kurdistan doesn't want to because they get their federal budget money from Iraqi oil; they also want to take over "disputed" territories before splitting, they want to take over some cities which are Iraqi and not kurdish. That is something Iraq wont allow.

Attacking the Kurd's would create greater problems and sanctions against Iraq. It would also create many casualties since Iraq still does not have a strong air force.

Terrorism in Iraq is supported and protected by some of the local "sunni" population. They are blending in the community. They do not approach the Army with through direct gun battles, rather they detonate bombs against public areas. These type of attacks are not easy to prevent since they try to blend in as civilians. even if the army manages to stop 20 or 30 car bombs, there are a few that manage to slip.

The most major problem is there is some people in the government who are terrorists and help with transporting weapons and bombs, Tariq Alhashimi is one example.

the other problem is Iraq does still not have a strong enough intelligence service. They is no proper database for ever person with precise ID's that include Addresses, that makes it hard to keep track of all the suspects who may be involved in terrorism.

I think you are not able get my point what i meant to say that this is the transition phase in the Middle East so as for Iraq When a vise President of the country can be labeled as a terrorist and convicted for the death sentence then one can easily understand the law & order situation in the country.

In my view If a vice president of Nation state is a terrorist then the whole Government is run by terrorists some might be more strong than others or some might wear uniforms and others are not privileged enough to do so.

Nation building is long process and it is more long and tenuous in multi religious and multi ethnic country like Iraq. Al-Maliki cannot build a strong state with his pro Iranian pro Shiet agenda and in my assessment it is doomed to fail.

If, Al-Assad falls and it seems so, then the next to go will be Al-Maliki. He knows that and preparing for his survival by posturing aggressive against Turkey.

As I said in my previous post that it seems that Iraq will be divided and later will be merged in to one or more regional power.
 
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I understand you, yes there are many other terrorists in the government but targeting them will create even greater tention as we have seem with hashimi and issawi. but your statements about Maliki; I don't agree with them for several reasons.

First, there are over 16 ministers from the "opposition" if that is the right label. Maliki does not run the government by himself. his power is limited by the constitution. second Maliki's person is not a dictator, he may and will be changed in the upcoming elections. Speaking about Maliki like he is the only option is ridiculous.

How is Maliki serving Iranian agenda. Iran is greatly choked up by sanctions right now and is increasing oil production which is greatly damaging Iran's economy. Having similar interest with Iran one some cases does not mean serving Iranian agenda. That's what many people fail to realize.

Relations are based on mutual interest, whether its with Iran, the US, or Russia
 
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