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Iraqi Uprising 2013

No need to justify Iran miserable loss and total humiliation by Saddam. Open up Persia history..very shameless one.

My friend Persia history is Arab and Turkish Rule for more than 1000 year. We are both allies, the flag of caliphate has passed on from Arabs to Turks till today where both are becoming close allies again. After Arab and Turkish rule Persians still have a deep identity crisis.

GCC-Turkish Council close cooperation inşallah.
 
The support for war destroyed syria, whether it is right according to some people doesn't change the fact that it destroyed syria. Iraq is not syria, the majority of the population are Shia and we already had enough of sectarian wars, that last time the Sunnis tried an open fight against the Shia they lost badly. Now the Shias are much more prepared. Although neither of us wish for sectarian war again but some foreign countries want it to start again.

Anyways the western powers will not allow Iraq to be attacked by fighters from across the border. The US will probably intervene especially with Iraq's oil production levels. They want to make sure the oil market is stable. Maliki will probably be democratically replaced long before the problem is solved in syria.

I have said it before and I will say it again, fighting will continue in syria regardless of Bashar stays until negotiations are held; mark my words and I'll remind you in some months from now of this statement.
 
For all those who think Saddam is a hero let me remind you of what he achieved during his reign in power. Iraq was one of the most advanced countries in the Middle East in all fields before he came in power. This is what he did:

-the killing of over two million people directly and another 3 million indirectly (the sanctions he brought against iraq)
-giving half if Shatt al Arab waterway to Iran (the Algeria agreement)
-war against Iran which destroyed the economy and killed and injured over 4 million from both sides. Ended up with status quo.
-war against Kuwait
-war against 30 countries which devastated iraq after the invasion of Kuwait
- 13 years of severe sanctions which virtually destroyed everything in iraq. People were starving to death.
- as a result of saddams idiocy the US invaded again in 2003
- he enabled the Kurds to gain autonomy and take over some Iraq lands

He was the biggest idiot that ever ruled over Iraq. Acting like a man and getting your but kicked every time doesn't make you brave, it makes you stupid and that's what Saddam was.

But I know the real reason why some people like Saddam is because he fought the Shias and that's the only reason. I really do wish other countries get someone like him to rule over then so they could understand.
Having said that I wonder how would these same people react if I say:

BASHAR IS A HERO. a true man that refused to follow the will of western colonialism.
 
The support for war destroyed syria, whether it is right according to some people doesn't change the fact that it destroyed syria. Iraq is not syria, the majority of the population are Shia and we already had enough of sectarian wars, that last time the Sunnis tried an open fight against the Shia they lost badly. Now the Shias are much more prepared. Although neither of us wish for sectarian war again but some foreign countries want it to start again.

Anyways the western powers will not allow Iraq to be attacked by fighters from across the border. The US will probably intervene especially with Iraq's oil production levels. They want to make sure the oil market is stable. Maliki will probably be democratically replaced long before the problem is solved in syria.

I have said it before and I will say it again, fighting will continue in syria regardless of Bashar stays until negotiations are held; mark my words and I'll remind you in some months from now of this statement.


Your assessment of situation is quite right and i do not think that Iraq will go to Syria way because it has already passed through that phase. Shiets got the power through democratic process but you must keep one thing in mind that Shiets in Iraq are numerically superior not the predominant sect as Iraq has more complex ethno-religious mix than Syria. So the rope for shiet power in Iraq is very tight. There is a two type of solution either the hardcore iron fist ruler or a statesman who can get along or take others along others with him.

The Syrian case it bit different, the population of Nuseyris and Shiets are not of significant proportion in Syria and its transition after Al-Assad will not be as bloody as Iraq, yes fight will continue for some time even after the fall of Al-Assad but unlike Iraq it will subside swiftly.
 
25 January 2013

Investigation needed as troops shoot anti-government protesters

Iraq must immediately investigate the killings of protesters in accordance with international standards, Amnesty International said today after several people died when troops in the city of Fallujah fired on anti-government demonstrators who had reportedly thrown stones at them.


Several others were said to be seriously injured during Friday's protest, the latest in an ongoing and largely peaceful campaign protesting against the government and its abusive treatment of detainees.


"The Iraqi authorities must ensure that the investigation they have announced into these killings is independent, impartial and that the methods and findings are made public. Anyone found responsible for abuses – including anyone found to have used excessive force against protestors – must be brought to justice,” said Ann Harrison, Deputy Middle East and North Africa Programme Director at Amnesty International.

“The authorities should also ensure that security forces are trained and properly equipped to police demonstrations and other gatherings in a manner which respects human rights, including those where some protestors turn violent."

There were conflicting reports about what had caused the shooting by the Iraqi troops. However, subsequently further clashes erupted and army vehicles were burned. There have been claims that some Iraqi soldiers were also injured in the incident.

The UN Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials and the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials both lay down clear standards for the policing of demonstrations and the use of firearms, including by armed forces.

Since last December tens of thousands of mainly Sunni Muslim Iraqis have taken to the streets expressing discontent with the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, a Shi’a Muslim, at the continuing discrimination against them in Iraq. The daily and largely peaceful demonstrations took place mainly in predominantly Sunni Muslim provinces, including Anbar, Mosul and Salah al-Din.

The protests were triggered by the detention of several bodyguards of the Finance Minister Rafi’e al-Issawi, a senior Sunni Muslim political leader, on terrorism charges. The move was thought by many Sunni Muslims to be politically motivated. There are concerns that increasing sectarian tensions may result in further violence.

There continue to be frequent bomb attacks by armed groups targeting civilians. For example, dozens of pilgrims for Shi’a Muslim festival of Arba’een were killed at the end of last month; this week several people were killed by car bombs in Baghdad and more than 20 people were killed by a suicide bomber at a Shi’a Muslim mosque in Tuz Khurmato.

Protesters continue to call for respect for due process and legislative measures - including an amnesty law and a review of anti-terror legislation - and for an end to human rights violations against prisoners and detainees in Iraq.


For years Amnesty International has documented cases of torture during interrogations while held incommunicado; deaths in custody in circumstances suggesting that torture was the cause; detainees being coerced into making “confessions”; and unfair trials, sometimes resulting in the death penalty.

A few days before the protests started, Amnesty International contacted the Iraqi government about dozens of reported cases of human rights violations against detainees and prisoners. The Iraqi government has yet to reply.

In one such case in 2012, four men were reportedly tortured while held incommunicado for several weeks at the Directorate of Counter-Crime in Ramadi, Anbar Province before their release in April 2012. Their “confessions” were then broadcast on local television.

During their trial, they told the Anbar Criminal Court that their “confessions” had been extracted under torture. A medical examination presented to the court of one of the men’s injuries indicated bruising and burning consistent with his allegations.

“As far as we know, no official investigation into these allegations of torture is known to have been held,” said Harrison.

“It is imperative that investigations into this – and the dozens of other cases that we have raised with the Iraqi authorities – are carried out as a matter of urgency, particularly as these men are now on death row.

“Perpetrators of abuse need to know that they will face the consequences of their actions, and victims have a right to truth, justice and reparation.”

The four men were sentenced to death on 3 December 2012, convicted of offences under Iraq’s Anti-Terror Law.

Iraq: Investigation needed as troops shoot anti-government protesters | Amnesty International

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25 January 2013

Iraq troops kill five protesters during Fallujah clash

Iraqi soldiers have opened fire on protesters in the city of Fallujah, killing at least five and wounding 60.

The clashes erupted after the soldiers prevented people joining an anti-government demonstration in the mainly Sunni city after Friday prayers.

It is the first such confrontation with the army since huge protests against the Shia-led government began five weeks ago in Baghdad and western Iraq.

The protesters accuse the government of discrimination against Sunni Arabs.

They say they are second-class citizens in the country, and have called for the resignation of Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, a Shia Arab.

'Foreign agendas'

Friday's violence in Fallujah broke out after after army units in the west of the city blocked off protesters who were heading towards the main demonstration.

The protesters retaliated by throwing bottles of water and stones at the troops, who then opened fire.

It was not immediately clear whether the soldiers fired directly into the crowd or into the air, the BBC's Ahmed Maher reports from Baghdad.

The demonstration in Fallujah was one of several held in other parts of the mainly Sunni Arab province of Anbar after Friday prayers.

The anti-government protests began in mid-December shortly after the arrest of several bodyguards of the Finance Minister Rafie al-Issawi, the most high-profile Sunni Arab in the cabinet.

But the campaign against Mr Maliki has since broadened.

Sunnis believe they are disadvantaged when trying to find work, that the laws are unequally applied and that the government is in the sway of Shia Iran.

The prime minister has urged both the security forces and demonstrators to show restraint, warning of "foreign agendas" seeking to push Iraq towards sectarian conflict.

BBC News - Iraq troops kill five protesters during Fallujah clash
 
For all those who think Saddam is a hero let me remind you of what he achieved during his reign in power. Iraq was one of the most advanced countries in the Middle East in all fields before he came in power. This is what he did:

-the killing of over two million people directly and another 3 million indirectly (the sanctions he brought against iraq)
-giving half if Shatt al Arab waterway to Iran (the Algeria agreement)
-war against Iran which destroyed the economy and killed and injured over 4 million from both sides. Ended up with status quo.
-war against Kuwait
-war against 30 countries which devastated iraq after the invasion of Kuwait
- 13 years of severe sanctions which virtually destroyed everything in iraq. People were starving to death.
- as a result of saddams idiocy the US invaded again in 2003
- he enabled the Kurds to gain autonomy and take over some Iraq lands

He was the biggest idiot that ever ruled over Iraq. Acting like a man and getting your but kicked every time doesn't make you brave, it makes you stupid and that's what Saddam was.

But I know the real reason why some people like Saddam is because he fought the Shias and that's the only reason. I really do wish other countries get someone like him to rule over then so they could understand.
Having said that I wonder how would these same people react if I say:

BASHAR IS A HERO. a true man that refused to follow the will of western colonialism.
Absolutly wrong, For the sake of few Alawi'ites basher has chosen the colonialism of iran . He is one who destroyed Hama back in 80's and today launching offensives in all over syria is assad itself . Its a mental phobia of local shia population that they had preferred rivalary against Sunnis. Without a proper share of legislative you are expecting to follow your dictatorship from them. In Iraq significant population of Shias are from Iran and Pakistan settled their for religious activities even they are having greater security share as compare to other Iraqi ethno-minorities. and Saddam he even fought against Sunnis, captured Kuwait . He was proper dictator who just did whatever he likes always desired to divide other nations and increase his empire.
 
25 January 2013

Investigation needed as troops shoot anti-government protesters

Iraq must immediately investigate the killings of protesters in accordance with international standards, Amnesty International said today after several people died when troops in the city of Fallujah fired on anti-government demonstrators who had reportedly thrown stones at them.


Several others were said to be seriously injured during Friday's protest, the latest in an ongoing and largely peaceful campaign protesting against the government and its abusive treatment of detainees.


"The Iraqi authorities must ensure that the investigation they have announced into these killings is independent, impartial and that the methods and findings are made public. Anyone found responsible for abuses – including anyone found to have used excessive force against protestors – must be brought to justice,” said Ann Harrison, Deputy Middle East and North Africa Programme Director at Amnesty International.

“The authorities should also ensure that security forces are trained and properly equipped to police demonstrations and other gatherings in a manner which respects human rights, including those where some protestors turn violent."

There were conflicting reports about what had caused the shooting by the Iraqi troops. However, subsequently further clashes erupted and army vehicles were burned. There have been claims that some Iraqi soldiers were also injured in the incident.

The UN Code of Conduct for Law Enforcement Officials and the UN Basic Principles on the Use of Force and Firearms by Law Enforcement Officials both lay down clear standards for the policing of demonstrations and the use of firearms, including by armed forces.

Since last December tens of thousands of mainly Sunni Muslim Iraqis have taken to the streets expressing discontent with the government of Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, a Shi’a Muslim, at the continuing discrimination against them in Iraq. The daily and largely peaceful demonstrations took place mainly in predominantly Sunni Muslim provinces, including Anbar, Mosul and Salah al-Din.

The protests were triggered by the detention of several bodyguards of the Finance Minister Rafi’e al-Issawi, a senior Sunni Muslim political leader, on terrorism charges. The move was thought by many Sunni Muslims to be politically motivated. There are concerns that increasing sectarian tensions may result in further violence.

There continue to be frequent bomb attacks by armed groups targeting civilians. For example, dozens of pilgrims for Shi’a Muslim festival of Arba’een were killed at the end of last month; this week several people were killed by car bombs in Baghdad and more than 20 people were killed by a suicide bomber at a Shi’a Muslim mosque in Tuz Khurmato.

Protesters continue to call for respect for due process and legislative measures - including an amnesty law and a review of anti-terror legislation - and for an end to human rights violations against prisoners and detainees in Iraq.


For years Amnesty International has documented cases of torture during interrogations while held incommunicado; deaths in custody in circumstances suggesting that torture was the cause; detainees being coerced into making “confessions”; and unfair trials, sometimes resulting in the death penalty.

A few days before the protests started, Amnesty International contacted the Iraqi government about dozens of reported cases of human rights violations against detainees and prisoners. The Iraqi government has yet to reply.

In one such case in 2012, four men were reportedly tortured while held incommunicado for several weeks at the Directorate of Counter-Crime in Ramadi, Anbar Province before their release in April 2012. Their “confessions” were then broadcast on local television.

During their trial, they told the Anbar Criminal Court that their “confessions” had been extracted under torture. A medical examination presented to the court of one of the men’s injuries indicated bruising and burning consistent with his allegations.

“As far as we know, no official investigation into these allegations of torture is known to have been held,” said Harrison.

“It is imperative that investigations into this – and the dozens of other cases that we have raised with the Iraqi authorities – are carried out as a matter of urgency, particularly as these men are now on death row.

“Perpetrators of abuse need to know that they will face the consequences of their actions, and victims have a right to truth, justice and reparation.”

The four men were sentenced to death on 3 December 2012, convicted of offences under Iraq’s Anti-Terror Law.

Iraq: Investigation needed as troops shoot anti-government protesters | Amnesty International

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25 January 2013

Iraq troops kill five protesters during Fallujah clash

Iraqi soldiers have opened fire on protesters in the city of Fallujah, killing at least five and wounding 60.

The clashes erupted after the soldiers prevented people joining an anti-government demonstration in the mainly Sunni city after Friday prayers.

It is the first such confrontation with the army since huge protests against the Shia-led government began five weeks ago in Baghdad and western Iraq.

The protesters accuse the government of discrimination against Sunni Arabs.

They say they are second-class citizens in the country, and have called for the resignation of Prime Minister Nouri Maliki, a Shia Arab.

'Foreign agendas'

Friday's violence in Fallujah broke out after after army units in the west of the city blocked off protesters who were heading towards the main demonstration.

The protesters retaliated by throwing bottles of water and stones at the troops, who then opened fire.

It was not immediately clear whether the soldiers fired directly into the crowd or into the air, the BBC's Ahmed Maher reports from Baghdad.

The demonstration in Fallujah was one of several held in other parts of the mainly Sunni Arab province of Anbar after Friday prayers.

The anti-government protests began in mid-December shortly after the arrest of several bodyguards of the Finance Minister Rafie al-Issawi, the most high-profile Sunni Arab in the cabinet.

But the campaign against Mr Maliki has since broadened.

Sunnis believe they are disadvantaged when trying to find work, that the laws are unequally applied and that the government is in the sway of Shia Iran.

The prime minister has urged both the security forces and demonstrators to show restraint, warning of "foreign agendas" seeking to push Iraq towards sectarian conflict.

BBC News - Iraq troops kill five protesters during Fallujah clash
The Iraqi Army has the right to defend itself, its just like Syria, the media wants to make it look like the Iraqi army is killing "peaceful" protesters, while in reality they are not peaceful , and here is the prove that thpse protesters are not peacful
Iraq: 2 soldiers killed near rally shooting site
Iraq: 2 soldiers killed near rally shooting site - Yahoo! News
 
The Iraqi Army has the right to defend itself, its just like Syria, the media wants to make it look like the Iraqi army is killing "peaceful" protesters, while in reality they are not peaceful , and here is the prove that thpse protesters are not peacful
Iraq: 2 soldiers killed near rally shooting site
Iraq: 2 soldiers killed near rally shooting site - Yahoo! News

From your own link

"The attacks and kidnappings appeared to be in retaliation for the deaths of protesters in clashes Friday"

Army units fired on the protestors and killed some of them
 
From your own link

"The attacks and kidnappings appeared to be in retaliation for the deaths of protesters in clashes Friday"

Army units fired on the protestors and killed some of them
Why are they protesting in first place? Because a Shia who represents majority is PM?
Bunch of sectarian obsessed who have no other jobs in this world to do.
 
lol if you guys go on Iraqi forums you'll see how all Iraqis are calling these protesters wahabis and bedouins. The so called "protesters" just can't handle what's happening in Iraq. Iraq is now a democracy and of course the shia majority will always vote for shia leaders. They can't handle it. Iraqi govt is way too leniant. They're not even protesting. They're blocking roads, attacking the army, attacking the border check points etc... The Iraqi govt has been soooooooooooooooooo leniant in thos whole thing. Can you imagine if smtg like this happened during saddam times? How about in Saudi Arabia? Can you imagine the shias trying to block roads and attack the Saudi army? In saddam's time he would just drop chemical weapons on everbody and call it a day.

WTF do they even want? Look at their demands ffs
They're demanding that the article 4 of the terrorism law be removed!@@@@@@@@!!!!! wtf kind of demand is that?

Thank the unkown forces of the universe that we don't have that many sunnis in Iran. Even the few million we have in Baluchistan are creating trouble and have done suicide bombings and bombings in general. Every country with a solid sunni population has become a mess: Egypt, syria, iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Lebanon, Yemen...
 
Salute from the revolution land to Iraqi people go for what u do kick the iranian puppets out of Iraq

he he he .... this issue is only good excuse for us to get closer to Iraq Government ... and you have no sense of politics ....
 

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