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The Libyan Jamahiriya and Muammar were betrayed by the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran too.

Libya's head of state publicly mocked Islamic Iran for refusing to dismantle her nuclear program in exchange for hollow western promises. History showed who made the right decision and who didn't.

There was no betrayal on Iran's part, because Iran had not struck any "grand bargain" with Libya nor dangled fallacious prospects of prosperity and integration in front of Tripoli. Bilateral relations had always been relatively ambivalent and rather distant.

What did Mehmood Ahmadinejad say after the invasion of Libya and assassination of Muammar ? He said "It was the will of the people.". Since when did "Muslim" Brotherhood and Al Qaeda become Libya's people ?

A statement is just that, a statement. It had zero impact on the events in Libya. Nor did Iran extend any material assistance to insurgents. So there's no comparison to what western regimes did in fooling Qaddafi only to murder him afterwards.
 
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Libya's head of state

There was no "Head of State" in the Libyan Jamahiriya because there was no State in the first place. Libya was a true democracy where the people governed themselves directly through congresses and committees formed of themselves - from district level ( Basic People's Congress - 800 of them ) to national level ( General People's Congress ) and then committees for water, local security etc.

Muammar was the "Guide of the revolution". He was "Head of State" until sometime in the 1970s but when Libya became a Jamahiriya ( "Republic of the masses" ) his position ceased to exist because The State ceased to exist.

This thread of mine contains an article that describes the Libyan system in practice and contains my description about Democracy.

Libya's head of state publicly mocked Islamic Iran for refusing to dismantle her nuclear program in exchange for hollow western promises. History showed who made the right decision and who didn't.

The mullah government of Iran is not maintaining the nuclear weapons program for some vaunted thing called "Axis of Resistance". It simply is a theocratic government which is in Syria to protect Shia religious buildings and Shia people rather than in a humanitarian effort. Why isn't the Irani military in Libya and West Bank and in Ukraine in support of Russia ?

There was no betrayal on Iran's part, because Iran had not struck any "grand bargain" with Libya nor dangled fallacious prospects of prosperity and integration in front of Tripoli. Bilateral relations had always been relatively ambivalent and rather distant.

But the Axis of Resistance...

A statement is just that, a statement. It had zero impact on the events in Libya. Neither did Iran extend any concrete assistance to insurgents. So there's no comparison to what western regimes did in fooling Qaddafi only to murder him afterwards.

A statement shows intention and ideology. It is unfortunate that Libya supported the mullah government of Iran during the Iran-Iraq war whereas Libyan Jamahiriya should have helped the Iranis in overthrowing the mullahs.
 
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There was no "Head of State" in the Libyan Jamahiriya because there was no State in the first place. Libya was a true democracy where the people governed themselves directly through congresses and committees formed of themselves - from district level ( Basic People's Congress - 800 of them ) to national level ( General People's Congress ) and then committees for water, local security etc.

Muammar was the "Guide of the revolution". He was "Head of State" until sometime in the 1970s but when Libya became a Jamahiriya ( "Republic of the masses" ) his position ceased to exist because The State ceased to exist.

This thread of mine contains an article that describes the Libyan system in practice and contains my description about Democracy.

Irrelevant to my post.

The mullah government of Iran is not maintaining the nuclear weapons program for some vaunted thing called "Axis of Resistance". It simply is a theocratic government which is in Syria to protect Shia religious buildings and Shia people rather than in a humanitarian effort. Why isn't the Irani military in Libya and West Bank and in Ukraine in support of Russia ?

None of the above is related to the point at hand, and only strays further from the actual subject matter.

But since it's wrong too, it shall be addressed decisively. Iran is and has been at the forefront of global Resistance against the zio-American empire since the victory of the glorious 1979 Islamic Revolution.

A cursory glimpse at Islamic Iran's foreign policy over the past 44 years will suffice to debunk the fallacious notion promoted by none other than NATO's takfiri terrorist proxies as well as NATO regimes and their media mouthpieces themselves, that Iranian strategy is informed by sectarian considerations. The baseless fallacy is instantly nullified by the amply documented fact that Islamic Iran enjoys a pristine and unmatched record of rushing to the aid of oppressed peoples regardless of their religious, confessional or national backgrounds.

The list of nations and movements the Islamic Republic has partnered with speaks for itself: from non-Moslem Cuba, non-Moslem Venezuela, non-Moslem Nicaragua, non-Moslem Ecuador, non-Moslem Bolivia, the non-Moslem ANC / PAC in South Africa rising up against apartheid (with Nelson Mandela meeting Supreme Leader Khamenei in a historic state visit), the Polisario Front, non-Moslem Korea (of which Iran has been one of the closest partners in the realm of strategic missile development), all the way to Sunni Bosnian Moslems, to the Sunni Palestinian Resistance, to both Shia and Sunni Afghans, to Sunni Tajikistan (where Iran has recently set up a UAV factory), to Sunni Kurds of Iraq, to Yazidi Kurds facing extermination at the hands of "I"SIS, and so on and so forth.

A contrario, relations with the Shia-majority Baku republic tend to be rather tense these days, due to the latter's alliance with Tel Aviv as well as the threat this generates for Iran.

The Islamic Republic intervened in Syria in order to neutralize the zio-American plot aimed at severing the land-based corridor connecting Iran to the anti-zionist Resistance in the Levant. The only reason Syria was subjected to a terrorist onslaught, was its strategic alliance with Iran. At practically every meeting President Assad held with western officials prior to the war, the most pressing demand formulated by said westerners was that Damascus cut ties with Iran. However Syria stood firm, hence the NATO aggression.

Why should the Iranian military be in Libya? Iran isn't endowed with unlimited resources to be present on the ground everywhere, is she. Iranian forces deployed in Bosnia Herzegovina in the 1990's to prevent the genocide of local Moslems who happen to be Sunnis not Shia. Likewise, the hero of anti-imperial Resistance shahid Soleimani personally entered northern Iraq to save not just Sunni but Yazidi Kurds from "I"SIS. So I'd say, let a few more governments start contributing merely one percent of what Iran has to the cause of anti-imperialist Resistance. That would certainly represent a far more reasonable, equitable and legitimate demand.

As for the West Bank and Ukraine, it'd be on the preposterous and brazen side to fault Iran even remotely in these contexts. Considering the facts that the Islamic Republic happens to be:

- The only state actor on earth brave enough to offer military-level support to every major Palestinian Resistance faction from the left-wing PFLP to Hamas and PIJ.

- The only country Russia is actually confirmed to have imported weaponry from for use in its military operation in Ukraine. Why don't you tell a Russian that Iran ought be condemned for not directly entering the Ukraine war, and behold their reaction - for it'll doubtlessly go a long way highlighting how such a contention can impossibly originate from a sincere friend of Russia.

This is without mentioning the blatant double standard which would consist in passing off some inconsequential statement Ahmadinejad made on Libya as some sort of a supremely significant and impactful occurrence, all the while of dismissing out of hand Iran's truly outstanding, unique engagement for justice in the Palestinian theater, as well as Iran's equally unique military aid to Russia, in both of which Iran has no competitors worldwide.

But the Axis of Resistance..

What's with the Axis of Resistance?

A statement shows intention

Iran acts upon her intentions. Had she intended to extend assistance to insurgents in Libya, she wouldn't have hesitated to do so.

and ideology.

By that logic Qaddafi's ideology was one of submission to the west.

It is unfortunate that Libya supported the mullah government of Iran during the Iran-Iraq war

Libya's support consisted in supplying a limited number of SCUD missiles and personnel to operate them because Iran was not familiar with the system yet. But before they could actually be put to use, orders came from Tripoli to interrupt the entire assistance program, and Libyan advisers were promptly called back. And if my memory serves, not without manipulating the missiles in such a way that Iran would have a harder time firing them.

whereas Libyan Jamahiriya should have helped the Iranis in overthrowing the mullahs.

...and thereby actively sided with the USA, EU and Isra"el". Thanks for clarifying your stance.

By the way, you've been derailing the thread with off-topic polemics, much like the British member you echoed in taking aim at Iran. Any further attempts to do so will thus be reported to moderators.

@HGV : I am countering anti-Iran propaganda posted on here by a couple of antagonistic users. You may want to report these, as they are the instigators of present off-topic conversations.
 
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Irrelevant to my post.

Very relevant. You were incorrect in your understanding of the Libyan Jamahiriya and Muammar and said this :
Libya's head of state

The list of nations and movements the Islamic Republic has partnered with speaks for itself: from non-Moslem Cuba, non-Moslem Venezuela, non-Moslem Nicaragua, non-Moslem Ecuador, non-Moslem Bolivia, the non-Moslem ANC / PAC in South Africa rising up against apartheid (with Nelson Mandela meeting Supreme Leader Khamenei in a historic state visit), the Polisario Front, non-Moslem Korea (of which Iran has been one of the closest partners in the realm of strategic missile development), all the way to Sunni Bosnian Moslems, to the Sunni Palestinian Resistance, to Sunni Kurds of Iraq, to Yazidi Kurds facing extermination at the hands of "I"SIS, and so on and so forth.

Any of them wants to replicate in their own societies the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran's political and social model ? Venezuela, which you mention, replicated the Libyan Jamahiriya's model of participatory democracy i.e. true democracy.

Likewise, the Islamic Republic intervened in Syria in order to neutralize the zio-American plot aimed at severing the land-based corridor between Iran to the anti-zionist Resistance in the Levant. The only reason Syria was subjected to terrorist aggression, was its strategic alliance with Iran. At practically every meeting President Assad held with western officials prior to the war, the most pressing demand formulated by the latter was that Damascus cut its ties with Iran, but Syria stood firm. Hence the NATO aggression.

1. Syria stands firm because of its own people and not because of IRGC and so on.

2. I repeat, the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran government is supporting the Baath system of Syria only because it wants to save Shia buildings and Shia religious people from "M"B and AQ. I have asked you before, can you convince Syria to become like Iran ? Even many Iranis don't the Holy Ayatollah system anymore. The current relationship between Syria and the Irani government is one of convinience.

3. NATO invaded Syria not because of its ties with the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran ( the mullah government, not the regular Iranis ) but because Syria is a Socialist system. Let me see NATO invade the "Eslamic" Republic government - this will never happen as won't happen the Taliban regime-changed by NATO. The mullahs of Iran and Afghanistan are what NATO desires in power.

Why should the Iranian military be in Libya? Iran isn't endowed with unlimited resources. Let other governments contribute only one percent of what Iran did to the cause of anti-imperialist Resistance first.

1. But Iran's mullah government seems to have enough
resources to arm P"I"J and Hamas.

2. The great "Axis of Resistance" led ever so finely by the "Eslamic" Republic can help the Green Libyans / Jamahiriya loyalists to take back Libya.

By that logic Qaddafi's ideology was one of submission to the west.

What ? :cheesy:

Muammar was supporting the Palestine cause before Khomenei was eating warm food in Paris.

Libya's support consisted in supplying a limited number of SCUD missiles and personnel to operate them because Iran was not familiar with the system yet. But before they could actually be put to use, orders came from Tripoli to interrupt the entire assistance program, and Libyan advisers were promptly called back. And if my memory serves, not without manipulating the missiles in such a way that Iran would have a harder time firing them.

You are making up excuses. You simply don't want Irani women to become like this Libyan woman :

...and thereby actively sided with the USA, EU and Isra"el". Thanks for clarifying your stance.

:what:

By the way, you've been derailing the thread with off-topic polemics, much like the British user you joined forces with to take aim at Iran. Any further attempts to do so will thus be reported to moderators.

LOL, I have just come back from a long ban and this is my questioning thread :
 
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Very relevant. You were incorrect in your understanding of the Libyan Jamahiriya and Muammar and said this :

It is irrelevant to the point under discussion.

Any of them wants to replicate in their own societies the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran's political and social model ? Venezuela, which you mention, replicated the Libyan Jamahiriya's model of participatory democracy i.e. true democracy.

All of them gladly allied or partnered with Iran. None of them shares the hostility you're exhibiting towards the Islamic Republic. For that reason you obviously wouldn't be an adequate spokesperson for said governments, would you.

Iran was instrumental in helping Venezuela avoid economic collapse. In effect Iran has been one of Venezuela's closest allies since the Bolivarian Revolution. Hugo Chavez' close personal friendship with Mahmud Ahmadinejad was no secret to any observer.

Are you having issues with Iran and Iranian people per se? It would be hard to explain why else someone would choose to sarcastically deride the Iranian pronunciation of words such as 'Islamic'.

1. Syria stands firm because of its own people and not because of IRGC and so on.

That claim is changing the subject. Syria stood firm in its decision to uphold its strategic alliance with Islamic Iran in spite of western injunctions to do the opposite.

As for the IRGC, it's the assistance it offered Syria which allowed Damascus to survive. The support of the Syrian people was a sine qua non (necessary) condition too, but not sufficient onto itself.

2. I repeat, the "Eslamic" Republic of Iran government is supporting the Baath system of Syria only because it wants to save Shia buildings and Shia religious people from "M"B and AQ.

The Islamic Republic of Iran is supporting the Syrian government in order to safeguard the land-based corridor geographically underpinning the Axis of Resistance against zio-American imperialism.

As I thoroughly proved in my foregoing explanations, Iran's foreign policy is not informed by sectarian considerations, unlike what takfiri propaganda would want us to believe.

I have asked you before, can you convince Syria to become like Iran ?

Nothing to do with the question at hand.

Even many Iranis don't the Holy Ayatollah system anymore. The current relationship between Syria and the Irani government is one of convinience.

The relationship between Islamic Iran and Syria is a textbook strategic alliance of utmost resilience and proximity, one which has weathered the heaviest geopolitical storms conceivable.

1. But Iran's mullah government seems to have enough
resources to arm P"I"J and Hamas.

This does not contradict my statement. You ought to read it again.

Also you conveniently left out the left-wing PFLP as one of the Palestinian Resistance factions backed by Iran.


2. The great "Axis of Resistance" led ever so finely by the "Eslamic" Republic can help the Green Libyans / Jamahiriya loyalists to take back Libya.

So could many other governments. There are currently 195 UN-recognized sovereign states and a few more not recognized by the UN.

A socialist would naturally tend to distribute responsibility for the execution of a heavy task equally between members of a society, rather than overburdening one individual and privileging all others, would you not agree?

What ? :cheesy:

Muammar was supporting the Palestine cause before Khomenei was eating warm food in Paris.

Libya operated a rapprochement with the west in 2004. In exchange for sanctions relief, Qaddafi acquiesced to major concessions which would prove fatal to him and to his country.

Libya had ceased support for Palestinian Resistance groups by then. But Qaddafi's sons were give the opportunity to study in European universities and party at European nightclubs.

You are making up excuses. You simply don't want Irani women to become like this Libyan woman :

Historic facts are what I stated. The shared video on the other hand is unrelated to the history of Libyan dealings with Islamic Iran during the Sacred Defence. Thus the above interjection constitutes both a strawman and a red herring, and is therefore doubly unconstructive.



@waz : May I ask you to prevent this thread from being derailed any further, please? This is a useful resource documenting the Iranian space program, yet two users including the above quoted one keep posting off-topic controversies in here. Thank you.
 
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@waz : May I ask you to prevent this thread from being derailed any further, please? This is a useful resource documenting the Iranian space program, yet two users including the above quoted one keep posting off-topic controversies in here. Thank you.

On topic ? Maybe the mullah government of Iran fuel its rockets with the blood and tears of the Iranis it tortures and kills. May help the Irani government send one Irani to space by 2050.
 
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On topic ? Maybe the mullah government of Iran fuel its rockets with the blood and tears of the Iranis it tortures and kills. May help the Irani government send one Irani to space by 2050.
Pour the water where it sizzles! In case you couldn't find any in India, I would be more than happy to pi** on you!
I am usually a very polite and courteous person but I no longer can tolerate or respect someone who doesn't respect themselves and more importantly others for that matter!
 
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Pour the water where it sizzles! In case you couldn't find any in India, I would be more than happy to pi** on you!
I am usually a very polite and courteous person but I no longer can tolerate or respect someone who doesn't respect themselves and more importantly others for that matter!

How does condemning the Irani terrorist mullahs, or priests anywhere for that matter, equate to me not respecting myself or those who sacrificed their blood and effort in trying to overthrow the NATO-installed mullahs in Tehran ?
 
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Come on Jamahir, here on this thread too?

Like always, it's not about you being right or wrong, but about discussing wrong topic on wrong threads. Quit derailing every thread, man.

I wasn't derailing but just countering the arrogance of the akhundzaadas above. Please have a read again. How can this bunch happily chat away about a mediocre space agency while the government that maintains that space agency is murdering and torturing its own citizens since September 2022 ?
 
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overthrow the NATO-installed mullahs in Tehran

It's exactly the other way around: terrorists, rioters and their handlers attempting to overthrow the magnificent Islamic Republic, are NATO-sponsored from head to toe.

The legitimate and profoundly democratic Iranian political order, brought about by one of the most authentic and resonating revolutionary expressions of autonomous popular will ever witnessed in the history of mankind, is facing a dastardly opposition of exiled stooges and domestic goons generously funded and organized by the USA, EU and zionist regimes as well as their countless vassals, something every person endowed with the most elementary knowledge of Iranian affairs is perfectly aware of. Which mechanically leads to the conclusion that the quoted user seems to lack this very knowledge, required as it may be to utter comments about Iran.

Case in point, Islamic Iran is the preferred go-to ally or strategic partner of every sincere opponent of zio-American imperial oppression, from Korea to Syria via Venezuela and the Palestinian and Lebanese Resistance. Surely the leaders of these great nations and movements, all close friends to Iran's blessed Islamic Revolutionary Leadership, know a thing or two about the Islamic Republic's stainless credentials in terms of anti-imperialist struggle, hence their rock solid cooperation with Tehran, which a million zionist and NATO plots couldn't begin to dent in the slightest way.

It is only natural and could not have been otherwise, since our beloved Islamic Republic (not any secularist entity) is the sole formidable force on this planet to have been relentlessly fighting both NATO and the zionists for the past forty four years. Glory to the Islamic Revolution, glory to its well inspired Leadership and endless glory to its hundreds of thousands of martyrs, sources of inspiration to every righteous person, seeing how they happily sacrificed their earthly presence in the path of Justice and in resistance to the oppressive bloody-handed tyrants of our time.
 
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On topic ? Maybe the mullah government of Iran fuel its rockets with the blood and tears of the Iranis it tortures and kills. May help the Irani government send one Irani to space by 2050.
Indian, this thread is about the Iranian Space Program, it is not your street, please stop shitting here.

@SalarHaqq I appreciate you taking the time to counter this idiot's retarded narratives, but the best way to deal with smelly street-defecating trolls is to ignore them and report their posts, not to engage. Never wrestle with a pig, and all.
 
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Indian, this thread is about the Iranian Space Program, it is not your street, please stop shitting here.

@SalarHaqq I appreciate you taking the time to counter this idiot's retarded narratives, but the best way to deal with smelly street-defecating trolls is to ignore them and report their posts, not to engage. Never wrestle with a pig, and all.
it is not your street, please stop shitting here.
Why always when people here talks to Indians, we always get to toilets, pissing and shitting, it always makes me laugh

Sorry for going out of the thread but i always explode of laugh with the clash between Indians and others
 
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Why always when people here talks to Indians, we always get to toilets, pissing and shitting, it always makes me laugh

Sorry for going out of the thread but i always explode of laugh with the clash between Indians and others
20% of Indians (300 million) practice open defecation. As we can see in this thread.
 
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