Iranian Space program

[HGV]

Indian Air Force has keen interest in this RLV platform, as it can be a suitable platform to launch payloads to space, do the said experiment and then retrieve the payload. And in extreme cases, capture enemy satellite in orbit and bring it down.

If ISRO can pull it off successfully, then ISRO can capture a significant chunk of international satellite launch market.

What does this have to do with Iran?

 

[TheImmortal]

If you look at page 15 of this thread..Iran has 4 companies working on cryogenic engines..

Just like India cryogenic is the way to go for any heavy lift..cost is lower and efficiency is higher and handling and storage simpler.

So lots of room for private participation or at least private investments I space for Iran

How many of those 4 companies are under the defense umbrella architecture of Iran’s military defense complex?

Private investment? We can barely get enough private investment in much needed fields such as oil and a natural gas where the returns for an investor are more significant than a SLV or Engine.

 

[jauk]

How many of those 4 companies are under the defense umbrella architecture of Iran’s military defense complex?

Private investment? We can barely get enough private investment in much needed fields such as oil and a natural gas where the returns for an investor are more significant than a SLV or Engine.

You’re missing the point. The point *is* to create and cultivate a privatized eco-system. But why? This lifts a big bottleneck to progress which seems to be the case we’re dealing with. This somewhat decouples politicking as well.

Iran should lend funds, launch sites, comms, etc to these companies and act as an incubator.

Also, the ‘private’ industries such as SpaceX live in a monopsonous environment. I won’t use that as an end goal BUT it’s a good start.

 

[aryobarzan]

Since we are on the subject of Private participation in Iran space program here is what ISA chief said few months ago:

ISA will buy privately produced Satellite photos
ISA will help with initial build of the private satellites
ISA has given the design and build of "Solaimani constellation" satellites to private sector.Bidding process has already been done

سالاریه: تقویت بخش خصوصی جزو برنامه‌های اصلی سازمان فضایی است/ «اقتصادفضا» جزو لاینفک برنامه ۱۰ ساله​

رئیس سازمان فضای ایران گفت: ما موظفیم مسیر را طوری هموار کنیم که بخش خصوصی در مسیر اجرای بسیاری از پروژه‌های مهم فضایی کشور گام بردارد.

به گزارش گروه علم و پیشرفت خبرگزاری فارس به نقل از پایگاه اطلاع رسانی سازمان فضایی ایران، دکتر حسن سالاریه معاون وزیر ارتباطات و رئیس سازمان فضایی ایران عصر امروز یکشنبه، طی سخنانی در دورهمی شرکت‌های دانش‌بنیان خصوصی در حوزه فضایی، با بیان اینکه حضور در جمع بخش خصوصی و مشاهده انگیزه شرکت‌های دانش بنیان برای من بسیار باعث خرسندی و خوشحالی است.

وی افزود: بنده شخصا سابقه فعالیت در زمینه تاسیس و رشد بخش خصوصی دانش بنیان را دارم و مشکلات را از نزدیک دیده‌ام و با این تجربه، امید دارم که بتوانم موانع پیش روی شرکت‌های دانش بنیان و بخش خصوصی را از پیش پا بردارم و بتوانیم بخش خصوصی حوزه فضایی را تقویت کنیم.

رئیس سازمان فضایی ایران تصریح کرد: البته این توقع هم وجود دارد که بخش خصوصی هم باید به بخش دولتی کمک کند و شاید بهترین کمک این است که بخش خصوصی بداند که مکمل بخش دولتی است؛ در مقابل هم ما هم موظفیم بخش خصوصی را کمک کنیم و مسیر حرکتش را تا جایی که می توانیم هموار کنیم.

دکتر سالاریه ادامه داد: در حال حاضر با توجه به رویکردهای جدی دولت و معاونت علمی و فناوری و اقتصاد دانش بنیان در گذشته و همچنین در دولت سیزدهم، شرکت‌های خصوصی زیادی در حوزه فضایی ایجاد شده که "امید فضا" یکی از آنهاست و ما موظفیم مسیر را طوری هموار کنیم که بخش خصوصی در مسیر اجرای بسیاری از پروژه‌های مهم فضایی کشور گام بردارد.

وی با ذکر مثالی از تلاش سازمان فضایی برای تقویت بخش خصوصی خاطر نشان کرد: در سال ۱۴۰۱ قریب به ۵۰۰ میلیارد تومان که در تاریخ کشور بی‌سابقه ست، مناقصه و ترک تشریفات از طریق قانون ساخت اول به کمک معاونت علمی ریاست جمهوری، در حوزه ساخت ماهواره با بخش خصوصی دنبال و در شرف عملیاتی شدن است.

دکتر سالاریه اضافه شد: سازمان فضایی به سمتی در حال حرکت است که برای تقویت بخش خصوصی، خرید تضمینی تصاویر ماهواره ای هم از شرکت‌های دانش بنیان انجام دهد اما توقع این است که بخش خصوصی و شرکت‌های دانش بنیان هم بسیار بیشتر از شرایط فعلی، منسجم و متحد عمل کنند، و در کنار هم یک مجموعه منسجم تشکیل دهند.

وی خاطر نشان کرد: در تلاشیم هفته آینده سیاست ها و برنامه های کلان برنامه ۱۰ ساله فضایی را در نشستی برای بخش خصوصی تشریح کنیم تا ان شالله میزان توجه بخش دولتی به تقویت بخش خصوصی و شرکت‌های دانش بنیان بهتر دیده شود.

رئیس سازمان فضایی ایران تاکید کرد: حوزه اقتصادفضا جزو لاینفک برنامه ۱۰ ساله فضایی است و ما در این برنامه جایگاه ویژه‌ای برای حمایت از بخش خصوصی و شرکت های دانش بنیان حوزه فضایی دیده ایم.

دکتر سالاریه تصریح کرد: ما حتی در برنامه ۱۰ ساله فضایی، مجموعه های مختلف دولتی را از ورود به حوزه هایی که بخش خصوصی و شرکت‌های دانش بنیان توانمندی انجام کار را دارند، ممنوع کرده ایم و بسیاری از پروژه‌های مهم را که بخش خصوصی توانمندی اجرا آن را دارد، صرفا برای این بخش گذاشته ایم، از جمله پروژه منظومه ماهواره ای شهید سلیمانی که اجرای آن را به بخش خصوصی واگذار میکنیم و در حال حاضر مناقصه آن هم برگزار شده است.

 

[Shams313]

 

[HGV]

Thank you for sharing this wonderful development in the Iranian space program.

 

[Shams313]

Thank you for sharing this wonderful development in the Iranian space program.

I have been following their works , a team based and also private level that introduces versatile development , if Iran have some private funded research could be a potential contribution in space sector...Previously India relied on only ISRO, Now they are changing the courses..They are already quit successful though.

Its been decades that Iran has started space development and yet any fruitful launch that will bring massive impact.

 

[TheImmortal]

ISA will buy privately produced Satellite photos
ISA will help with initial build of the private satellites
ISA has given the design and build of "Solaimani constellation" satellites to private sector.Bidding process has already been done

If ISA did 25% of the things they said they would do they would have been one of the fastest growing space powers of last decade.

ISA can only talk apparently. And satellites have been built by private sector since 2010.

Previously India relied on only ISRO, Now they are changing the courses..They are already quit successful though.

You are comparing the Indian IT with Iranian? Magnitudes difference. Not to mention it’s easy to build ANYTHING when you can import parts and “consulting firms” to resolve bottlenecks in design and construction for you.

Has Iran even launched a satellite that has unfolding solar panels? It was developed years ago.

Space is literally the next frontier of Human advancement for the next 500 years. It’s like when the countries that sailed from eastern world and found Americas (Spain, Portugal, England, France, etc).

A single large asteroid has enough minerals and metals worth billions of dollars. The moon with its helium 3 natural resources could cleanly power cities for decades. It is theorized the first world’s trillionaire will likely come from space mining adventures.

It is no reason why China-India-US are rushing to establish presence on the moon and mars as soon as possible to leapfrog to Jupiters and Saturns lucrative moons. Sounds like Sci Fi, but it’s the future of the world’s economy especially as we get more and more hungry for rare earth minerals and metals to feed a growing technological civilization.

 

[mike2000 is back]

US invaded Vietnam, raped, chemical weapons, and commited a number of other crimes, but the late 1990s they reconsiled differences that were far harder to overcome than Iran and the US historical relations. Currently being the 8th largest partner for trade with the United States.

Countries & Regions

The United States has trade relations with more than 75 countries around the world. The top five export markets for U.S. goods in 2013 were: Canada, $300.3 billion Mexico, $226.2 billion China, $122 billion Japan, $65.1 billion Germany, $47.4 billion At USTR, trade with countries is coordinated...

ustr.gov

Of course, that's beacause Vietnam leaders came around and changed their policy completely in the early 90s after the fall of the Soviet Union and seeing China'sipen up/growth and rapproachment with the West. Vietnam didn't want to remain a poor, isolated,sanctioned backwater(like Borth Korea) where nobody wants to visit or invest in, so they made the decision to give up their unrealistic ambitions in the grater making region where rhey had invaded and station troops in Cambodia and Laos, and the military threat and issues they had im trying to further their influence and conflict in Thailand/other countries in the region and also China which they had very bad relations with and fought a brief bloody war with continuous border clashes. In short Vietnam was abit like Iran today only worse for Vietnam is that unlike Iran they have no vast natural resources to help sustain themselves and provide revenue for the government to maintain a basic standard of living for the people. So Vietnam's government had to make drastic changes to reform and change the country's foriegn and economic policy, pull out it's military ambitions over its neighbours and trade for peace, settle the border dispute with China and open up/normalised relations with the US/ West. The rest is history and shows they actually made the right choice at the right time.

However, not sure if this is a credible enough route for Iran to follow as times have changed unfortunately and the geopolitical and trade situation of the world has changed alot since then.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Of course, that's beacause Vietnam leaders came around and changed their policy completely in the early 90s after the fall of the Soviet Union and seeing China'sipen up/growth and rapproachment with the West. Vietnam didn't want to remain a poor, isolated,sanctioned backwater(like Borth Korea) where nobody wants to visit or invest in, so they made the decision to give up their unrealistic ambitions in the grater making region where rhey had invaded and station troops (...)

In short Vietnam was abit like Iran today

Iran's rank in the UN Human Development Index : 76. Classified as a country of high development.

Vietnam's rank in the UN Human Development Index : 115. Classified as a medium development level country. Three decades of interaction with western regimes notwithstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Resistance against imperial oppressors will always pay off when carried out properly.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Iran's rank in the UN Human Development Index : 76. Classified as a country of high development.

Vietnam's rank in the UN Human Development Index : 115. Classified as a medium development level country. Three decades of interaction with western regimes notwithstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Resistance against imperial oppressors will always pay off when carried out properly.

Dude, do you know the low point Vietnam came from(they were basically an agricultural country)? fighting the french for decade all over the country with a peasant army and then the long bloody war against the U.S and then China(plus invasion of cambodia and Laos and clashes with Thailand, China for long time etc etc). Obviously Vietnam came from a far more lower base than Iran pre-Islamic Republic after years of struggle and following the useless failed commie ideology of the Soviet Union which only impoverished the country even more. To make things worse Vietnam has no natural resources to rely on for government revenue unlike Iran or Russia who both have huge reserves of oil, gas and other natural resources which are among the largest on earth. So of course you can't compare the two.
Moroever Vietnam opened up just in the late 90s and started receiving investments and setting up of plants from Western countries , Japan and China just over 15years ago. That's not that long. From that time they have gone from one of the poorest most backward country in Asia and even the world to one of the few developing countries trying to attend middle income status and one of the country with the highest growth rate and one of the most optimistic for the future . Can't say the same for the others
The country has been growing quite healthily since then and is projected to do even better this coming years with those western factories moving out from China prioritizing Vietnam as their first choice even ahead of India(despite thie larger market). FDI and plants will only keep moving into Vietnam this coming years, so expect them to keep moving up ecen more this coming decade.

Vietnam listed among countries with high Human Development Index for the first time

<p>Human rights or human development is a central issue in the development process in Vietnam. </p> <p> </p>

vietnamnet.vn

So give them another decade or 2 and let's see where they will be relative to Iran(and that too with almost zero natural resources to rely on unlike Iran). Just like South Korea before (who was way poorer and backward than Iran after their independence and again South Korea has barely any natural resources to rely on unlike Iran).

 

[TheImmortal]

However, not sure if this is a credible enough route for Iran to follow as times have changed unfortunately and the geopolitical and trade situation of the world has changed alot since then.

Vietnam was rather worthless as a country overall. US thought they would steam roll and win. They ended up trapped fighting a bunch savages in the jungle who could, much like Takfiris, send soldiers to their doom like cannon fodder. Vietnam has no oil, no natural resources, and not even a strategic location on a map. It was a useless war and quagmire, a symptom of the Cold War against communism.

Compare that to Iran, a leading Persian country in a sea of Arabs. Shiite minority in a Sunni dominated world. #1-2 in natural gas reserves and #3 in oil reserves. Highly Rich in natural minerals and natural sources. Plenty of industry for automobiles, steel, and cement. A rich educated rather young population. Critically located in the Middle East with access to multiple waterways including Caspian Sea where 30% of worlds oil passes.

So no Iran cannot just “change course”. It is an Axis power. So much like Germany after WW2 it would need to be completely gutted with most of its leadership executed. Military disbanded and not allowed for 50 years to 75 years any military outside of a small defense force. Missiles and nuclear program disarmed and destroyed. Pro Western puppet government installed with Mossad and CIA spies planted in every critical sector of economy and government to prevent a change in government in the future. And a few major US military bases on its soil to keep the Iranians honest.

That is the only way outside of western detente and acceptance of Iran, that Iran would ever be accepted by the West.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Dude, do you know the low point Vietnam came from(they were basically an agricultural country)? fighting the french for decade all over the country with a peasant army and then the long bloody war against the U.S and then China(plus invasion of cambodia and Laos and clashes with Thailand, China for long time etc etc). Obviously Vietnam came from a far more lower base than Iran pre-Islamic Republic after years of struggle and following the useless failed commie ideology of the Soviet Union which only impoverished the country even more. To make things worse Vietnam has no natural resources to rely on for government revenue unlike Iran or Russia who both have huge reserves of oil, gas and other natural resources which are among the largest on earth. So of course you can't compare the two.

Iran lost half her population, some 10 million people, to genocide at the hands of the British empire towards the end of WW1.

And didn't have much to show for when the Islamic Revolution took place, other than dependence on crude oil exports.

Moroever Vietnam opened up just in the late 90s and started receiving investments and setting up of plants from Western countries , Japan and China just over 15years ago. That's not that long. From that time they have gone from one of the poorest most backward country in Asia and even the world to one of the few developing countries trying to attend middle income status and one of the country with the highest growth rate and one of the most optimistic for the future . Can't say the same for the others
The country has been growing quite healthily since then and is projected to do even better this coming years with those western factories moving out from China prioritizing Vietnam as their first choice even ahead of India(despite thie larger market). FDI and plants will only keep moving into Vietnam this coming years, so expect them to keep moving up ecen more this coming decade.

Vietnam listed among countries with high Human Development Index for the first time

<p>Human rights or human development is a central issue in the development process in Vietnam. </p> <p> </p>

vietnamnet.vn

So give them another decade or 2 and let's see where they will be relative to Iran(and that too with almost zero natural resources to rely on unlike Iran). Just like South Korea before (who was way poorer and backward than Iran after their independence and again South Korea has barely any natural resources to rely on unlike Iran).

Three decades isn't a short period of time by any means. It's actually just slightly less than the age of the Islamic Republic.

If adapting to globalist standards and normalizing ties with western imperialists were to lead to the sort of transformation you're suggesting, then Islamic Iran today wouldn't be close to forty ranks above Vietnam in terms of human development as per UN criteria.

Moreover you cited China as a major investor in Vietnam. China's move has nothing much to do with Hanoi normalizing diplomatic relations with Washington.

Natural resources especially oil are not an opportunity for development but a hindrance, by the way.

Also south Korea was not really less developed than Iran.

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Vietnam was rather worthless as a country overall. US thought they would steam roll and win. They ended up trapped fighting a bunch savages in the jungle who could, much like Takfiris, send soldiers to their doom like cannon fodder.

Vietnam much like Iran is heir to an empire (a small empire but still, it was no ordinary kingdom) as well as an ancient civilization of its own. We shouldn't be looking down on others.

As far as the US intervention there is concerned, it's also a consequence of the so-called domino theory, which stipulated that if communists came to power in a given country, neighbors would be at risk of experiencing a similar development. Washington thought that a communist victory in Vietnam would result in the entire Indochinese Peninsula falling into Soviet hands.

By the way, it's remarkable to what extent the people of Vietnam, with the exception of individuals linked to the former government of south Vietnam (most of whom live abroad), still abhor anything remotely connected to the USA regime. Those who've traveled to Vietnam know what I'm talking about.

 

[aryobarzan]

Meanwhile in Iranian space program and Iranian space thread:

Nothing is happening...just blah blah blah...

 

[lydian fall]

Death to british