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Iranian president offers friendship to the USA

Iran's president is quoted by an Arabic satellite channel as saying he offers friendship to the USA.

However, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also taunted Washington by saying he does not fear an attack by the US because it could not even defeat a small army in Iraq, according to Al Jazeera television.

The station aired an interview with Ahmadinejad Sunday in Arabic translation from the original Farsi.

Read more: Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India
 
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Iranian president offers friendship to the USA

Iran's president is quoted by an Arabic satellite channel as saying he offers friendship to the USA.

However, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also taunted Washington by saying he does not fear an attack by the US because it could not even defeat a small army in Iraq, according to Al Jazeera television.

The station aired an interview with Ahmadinejad Sunday in Arabic translation from the original Farsi.

Read more: Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India

What can I say?

At least he is making a gesture, I guess... Although this comes across as more of a taunt than anything else after the whole Iranian UCAV deal.
 
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Iranian president offers friendship to the USA

Iran's president is quoted by an Arabic satellite channel as saying he offers friendship to the USA.

However, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also taunted Washington by saying he does not fear an attack by the US because it could not even defeat a small army in Iraq, according to Al Jazeera television.

The station aired an interview with Ahmadinejad Sunday in Arabic translation from the original Farsi.

Read more: Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India Iranian president offers friendship to the US - Middle East - World - The Times of India

Does he mean the countries army or the insurgency ? I guess the sanctions are paying off.
 
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Does he mean the countries army or the insurgency ? I guess the sanctions are paying off.

Given how easily the standard Iraqi Army got curb stomped I am pretty sure he was referring to the insurgency :azn:.
 
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Iranian president offers friendship to the USA

Iran's president is quoted by an Arabic satellite channel as saying he offers friendship to the USA.

When he apologizes for taking our diplomats hostage, then he can talk about friendship. His thinking is unbalanced. He would be dangerous if he was not simply a figurehead for real powers of Iran, the IRG and Khamenei. As it is, what he says, and what he "offers," are meaningless.
 
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TruthSeeker,

Keep the "Death to Iran" chants to yourself. I'm sure you'd feel different if a member started a "Death to America" parade around here. We have Iranian members here, be a bit more respectful.
 
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When he apologizes for taking our diplomats hostage, then he can talk about friendship. His thinking is unbalanced. He would be dangerous if he was not simply a figurehead for real powers of Iran, the IRG and Khamenei. As it is, what he says, and what he "offers," are meaningless.

Perhaps, as a show of goodwill, the US should also apologise for the assassination of the democratically-elected Iranian Prime-Minister Dr. Mossadegh and the sub-planting of his government by an unelected authoritarian Pahlavi monarchy, then we can talk of friendship.
 
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Perhaps, as a show of goodwill, the US should also apologise for the assassination of the democratically-elected Iranian Prime-Minister Dr. Mossadegh and the sub-planting of his government by an unelected authoritarian Pahlavi monarchy, then we can talk of friendship.

No need to. YOUR Mullahs did it, not us:

Here's who really killed Iran's democracy


By Ray Takeyh / Special to The Washington Post
Posted: 08/19/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

Today marks the anniversary of one of the most mythologized events in history, the 1953 coup in Iran that ousted Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadeq. CIA complicity in that event has long provoked apologies from American politicians and denunciations from the theocratic regime. The problem with the prevailing narrative? The CIA s role in Mossadeq s demise was largely inconsequential. The institution most responsible for aborting Iran s democratic interlude was the clerical estate, and the Islamic Republic should not be able to whitewash the clerics culpability.

The dramatic tale of malevolent Americans plotting a coup against Mossadeq, the famed Operation Ajax, has been breathlessly told so much that it has become a verity. To be fair, the cast of characters is bewildering: Kermit Roosevelt, the scion of America s foremost political family, paying thugs to agitate against the hapless Mossadeq; American operatives shoring up an indecisive monarch to return from exile and reclaim his throne; Communist firebrands and nationalist agitators participating in demonstrations financed by the United States. As Iran veered from crisis to crisis, the story goes, Roosevelt pressed a reluctant officer corps to end Mossadeq s brief but momentous democratic tenure.

Yet this fable conceals much about the actual course of events. In 1953 Iran was in the midst of an economic crisis. An oil embargo had been imposed after Tehran nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., and by that summer,the situation had fractured Mossadeq s ruling coalition. Middle-class Iranians concerned about their finances gradually began to abandon Mossadeq. The merchant class was similarly anguished about the financial consequences of Mossadeq s stubborn unwillingness to resolve the stalemate with the British. The intelligentsia and the professional classes were wary of the prime minister s increasingly autocratic tendencies. Rumors of military coups began circulating as members of the armed forces grew vocal in their frustrations with the prime minister and began participating in political intrigues.

Not just the stars but an array of Iranian society was aligning against Mossadeq.

Now, the CIA was indeed actively seeking to topple Mossadeq. It had made contact that spring with the perennially indecisive shah and Iranian officers, including Gen. Fazollah Zahedi, an opportunistic officer who sought the premiership himself. Roosevelt had laid out a plan in which the shah would issue a monarchical decree dismissing Mossadeq; it was to be served to him on Aug. 15. But the commander who was to deliver the message was arrested, and the plot quickly unraveled.

This is where the story takes a twist. As word of the attempted coup spread, the shah fled Iran and Zahedi went into hiding. Amazingly, U.S. records declassified over the past decade indicate, the United States had no backup plan. Washington was largely prepared to concede. State Department and CIA cables acknowledge the collapse of their subversive efforts.

But while crestfallen Americans may have been prepared to forfeit their mission, the Iranian armed forces and the clergy went on to unseat Mossadeq. The senior clerics reaction to the developing nationalist crisis was always one of suspicion and concern. The clergy had always been averse to the modernizing penchants of secular politicians such as Mossadeq and their quests for republican rule and liberalization. The mullahs much preferred the deference of the conservative, if vacillating, shah to the secular enterprise of Mossadeq. After the attempted coup, the esteemed men of religion in Qom gave their tacit endorsement to the speaker of Parliament, Ayatollah Kashani. Through their connections with the bazaar and their ability to galvanize the populace, they were instrumental in orchestrating the demonstrations that engulfed Tehran. Mossadeq was already isolated. As the street protests tilted toward the shah, the military stepped in and displaced Mossadeq. A few days after the failure of the CIA s putsch, the shah returned to Iran amid national celebration.

Through all of this, Roosevelt and his conspirators were more surprised observers then active instigators. Roosevelt s most significant contribution to Iranian history was to publish an embellished account of his misadventures more than two decades after the coup. This flawed account went on to define the debate and capture the popular imagination even though, in reality, Washington was caught flat-footed about how to respond to events in Tehran. President Dwight Eisenhower conceded to his diary after hearing Roosevelt s account, I listened to his detailed report and it seemed more like a dime novel than historical fact.

American politicians have a penchant for acknowledging guilt and apologizing for past misdeeds. But responsibility for the suffocation of the Iranian peoples democratic aspirations in the summer of 1953 lies primarily with those who went on to squash another democratic movement in the summer of 2009 the mullahs. It is they who should apologize to the Iranian people.

Ray Takeyh is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Ray Takeyh: Here s who really killed Iran s democracy - Silver City Sun-News
 
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No need to. YOUR Mullahs did it, not us:

Here's who really killed Iran's democracy


By Ray Takeyh / Special to The Washington Post
Posted: 08/19/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

Today marks the anniversary of one of the most mythologized events in history, the 1953 coup in Iran that ousted Prime Minister Muhammad Mossadeq. CIA complicity in that event has long provoked apologies from American politicians and denunciations from the theocratic regime. The problem with the prevailing narrative? The CIA s role in Mossadeq s demise was largely inconsequential. The institution most responsible for aborting Iran s democratic interlude was the clerical estate, and the Islamic Republic should not be able to whitewash the clerics culpability.

The dramatic tale of malevolent Americans plotting a coup against Mossadeq, the famed Operation Ajax, has been breathlessly told so much that it has become a verity. To be fair, the cast of characters is bewildering: Kermit Roosevelt, the scion of America s foremost political family, paying thugs to agitate against the hapless Mossadeq; American operatives shoring up an indecisive monarch to return from exile and reclaim his throne; Communist firebrands and nationalist agitators participating in demonstrations financed by the United States. As Iran veered from crisis to crisis, the story goes, Roosevelt pressed a reluctant officer corps to end Mossadeq s brief but momentous democratic tenure.

Yet this fable conceals much about the actual course of events. In 1953 Iran was in the midst of an economic crisis. An oil embargo had been imposed after Tehran nationalized the Anglo-Iranian Oil Co., and by that summer,the situation had fractured Mossadeq s ruling coalition. Middle-class Iranians concerned about their finances gradually began to abandon Mossadeq. The merchant class was similarly anguished about the financial consequences of Mossadeq s stubborn unwillingness to resolve the stalemate with the British. The intelligentsia and the professional classes were wary of the prime minister s increasingly autocratic tendencies. Rumors of military coups began circulating as members of the armed forces grew vocal in their frustrations with the prime minister and began participating in political intrigues.

Not just the stars but an array of Iranian society was aligning against Mossadeq.

Now, the CIA was indeed actively seeking to topple Mossadeq. It had made contact that spring with the perennially indecisive shah and Iranian officers, including Gen. Fazollah Zahedi, an opportunistic officer who sought the premiership himself. Roosevelt had laid out a plan in which the shah would issue a monarchical decree dismissing Mossadeq; it was to be served to him on Aug. 15. But the commander who was to deliver the message was arrested, and the plot quickly unraveled.

This is where the story takes a twist. As word of the attempted coup spread, the shah fled Iran and Zahedi went into hiding. Amazingly, U.S. records declassified over the past decade indicate, the United States had no backup plan. Washington was largely prepared to concede. State Department and CIA cables acknowledge the collapse of their subversive efforts.

But while crestfallen Americans may have been prepared to forfeit their mission, the Iranian armed forces and the clergy went on to unseat Mossadeq. The senior clerics reaction to the developing nationalist crisis was always one of suspicion and concern. The clergy had always been averse to the modernizing penchants of secular politicians such as Mossadeq and their quests for republican rule and liberalization. The mullahs much preferred the deference of the conservative, if vacillating, shah to the secular enterprise of Mossadeq. After the attempted coup, the esteemed men of religion in Qom gave their tacit endorsement to the speaker of Parliament, Ayatollah Kashani. Through their connections with the bazaar and their ability to galvanize the populace, they were instrumental in orchestrating the demonstrations that engulfed Tehran. Mossadeq was already isolated. As the street protests tilted toward the shah, the military stepped in and displaced Mossadeq. A few days after the failure of the CIA s putsch, the shah returned to Iran amid national celebration.

Through all of this, Roosevelt and his conspirators were more surprised observers then active instigators. Roosevelt s most significant contribution to Iranian history was to publish an embellished account of his misadventures more than two decades after the coup. This flawed account went on to define the debate and capture the popular imagination even though, in reality, Washington was caught flat-footed about how to respond to events in Tehran. President Dwight Eisenhower conceded to his diary after hearing Roosevelt s account, I listened to his detailed report and it seemed more like a dime novel than historical fact.

American politicians have a penchant for acknowledging guilt and apologizing for past misdeeds. But responsibility for the suffocation of the Iranian peoples democratic aspirations in the summer of 1953 lies primarily with those who went on to squash another democratic movement in the summer of 2009 the mullahs. It is they who should apologize to the Iranian people.

Ray Takeyh is a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

Ray Takeyh: Here s who really killed Iran s democracy - Silver City Sun-News

The article presents a good cover up by means of manipulation of the facts and the events of the time. It isn't the first and like those previous, works better for those who aren't aware of Iran's political history. In fact, I have read the above posting before already. Rather, I have read numerous such works as I have researched much about the matter. Apart from the small monarchist segment of the Iranian clergy at the time (given that they too had grown weary of the Iranian monarchs), the religious segment were behind Mosaddegh as he was widely believed and acknowledged to be holding up Iran's legitimate rights. As for the monarchist clerics, they would remain loyal to the Shah until the closing days of the monarchical rule. I'll give a brief account of the events.

Owing to a dispute, Dr Mosaddegh severed all ties with the UK in late 1952. The M16 referred to the CIA that the Prime Minister ought to be removed to ease the apparent dead lock. This happened in December of that year. Dwight D. Eisenhower, Winston Churchill and their respective governments later agreed to tackle the matter jointly. Following March of the next year, Secretary of State, John F. Dulles tasked CIA to formulate plans for the coup. This would later become the infamous operation "Ajax."

USD one million was sidelined for this purposely and soon became a propaganda campaign against Mosaddegh whilst the operational details were finalized. After a later meeting in Beirut, the CIA and M16 finalized their strategy. The CIA divisional chief, Kermit Roosevelt, was tasked to direct the operation. These details were further released by the NYT by means of a leaked CIA archival report of the time period. The operational details were filed by CIA agent, Donald Wilbur, with full governmental support from the British government (under Winston Churchill) as well.

The original plan was to force the exiled Iranian Shah to dismiss Mosaddegh, which was something he had already failed to do whilst trying earlier, given popular support at home. The US funded many meeting to convince the Shah further of this, going as far as to bribe his own sister with finance.

Mosaddegh became knowledgeable of the plot forged against him and planned to dissolve the Majlis, the Parliament, to root out conspirators and call for a referendum whereby a victory for him was assured again. The referendum would happen later with Mosaddegh winning support by a landslide vote. His moves however played into the propaganda set up against him. The move was actually pre-calculated by the CIA and would work against him in due time. Within days Mosaddegh was rounded up on Aug 19, 1953 and the coup became successful. He would die in house imprisonment under mysterious circumstances.
 
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Today the US is a precarious position in South West Asia, once out of Afghanistan (bases will remain as in Iraq) it will be a representation of imperial power (somethng the US thinks it can live with) - whereas entire populations will have turned against it, can the US do without friendship with Iran?

I would suggest that the US needs more and more friends and partners - Mr. Ahmadinejad is not the issue or at least should not be the issue, US interests are the issue (regardless of whether Israel approves or not).

The US is much maligned and rightly so, but that is not the totality of the US, it has been and can be a power for good, for justice, for genuinely meaningful relations - the culture of the US is much more than decadence, that is only a small part of the reality of the US, so the US can offer more than just "friendship", but it's a start.

Similarly Iran is seen by large majorities as a more credible power than the US's arab satraps. Beyond all this, US interests, US as a bastion of tradition and as arbiter among nations is also a role that the US can play.

But for all this, US must be at peace with Muslims, at home and abroad - Why not take Ahmadinejad's offer and explore it and make it known to the world that the US will and does explore this offer? There is a constitutency (evangelical Christian Zionists) in the US and in other places (Israel) that will oppose such a move, but why give these groups a veto over the larger interests of the US and the Muslim world? Why not rebuild what has been lost and create a new relationship of trust and genuine relations, something that cannot be created with the Arab satraps.
 
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When he apologizes for taking our diplomats hostage, then he can talk about friendship. His thinking is unbalanced. He would be dangerous if he was not simply a figurehead for real powers of Iran, the IRG and Khamenei. As it is, what he says, and what he "offers," are meaningless.

Not a very wise position to take. The Iranians would be justified in asking you to apologize for using the CIA to undermine a democratic government (Mohammad Mossadeq) in Iran. The hurt caused by the US to Iran pre-dates the hurt caused by Iran to the US. In a calm moment, please introspect.
 
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Well the troop surge pretty much bought the insurgency to under control.

I think that it is a bit of an overstatement. Although the worst of the insurgency has been quelled it still posses a significant threat to the current Iraqi government, which is why most Iraqis want the U.S. to stay according to a recent poll.
 
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