Iranian Chill Thread

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508836252476637185

 

[TheImmortal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508861088741433352

 

[Stryker1982]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508836252476637185

Major mistake if true.

 

[Blue In Green]

Major mistake if true.

Some "sources" are saying this is a strategic redeployment of forces and not a true withdrawal but it doesn't look good for Russia either way.

What a mess...

 

[F-22Raptor]

Major mistake if true.

Some "sources" are saying this is a strategic redeployment of forces and not a true withdrawal but it doesn't look good for Russia either way.

What a mess...

Russia has been defeated on the northern axis. Their forces were routed by the Ukrainians. It’s really that simple. The Kiev offensive is likely over.

 

[_Nabil_]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508932129471746048

my guess, houthis won't accept it as it's unilateral

 

[Sineva]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508861088741433352

Rather sickening hypocrisy from the west,as to be expected,naturally.
You have support for those being occupied in ukraine,while at the same time supporting the apartheid occupier in palestine.
Truly revolting......

 

[Stryker1982]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508932129471746048

my guess, houthis won't accept it as it's unilateral

I hear that they offered it here. But not sure it.

Maybe this will finally be the end as it hasn't gone anywhere.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1508917942397902856

 

[Sineva]

Some "sources" are saying this is a strategic redeployment of forces and not a true withdrawal but it doesn't look good for Russia either way.

What a mess...

Russia has been defeated on the northern axis. Their forces were routed by the Ukrainians. It’s really that simple. The Kiev offensive is likely over.

So,time to switch to the more typical us/israeli style shock+awe tactics then?,ie smash it all to bits with artillery,air power and stand off weapons?.
Probably what the russians should`ve just done in the first place.

The great tragedy here is that all of this could`ve been so easily avoided.
Oh well.......

 

[Blue In Green]

Russia has been defeated on the northern axis. Their forces were routed by the Ukrainians. It’s really that simple. The Kiev offensive is likely over.

We will have to see but that does "seem" to be the case so far.

The Russians cannot afford to outright lose this war and thus "sunken cost fallacy" is firmly in effect for them. Most likely they're redeploying their forces to the East around Donbass where their pushes have been resoundingly successful. Maybe they will push into Ukraine from that vector but I feel that, at this point. Russia wants to solidify their gains given just how staunch Ukrainian resistance has been.

It was an ill-thought out invasion from the onset.... idk if this is a genuine regroup/redeployment but if they just 'give up' then Russia will be in a very bad position.

 

[TheImmortal]

So,time to switch to the more typical us/israeli style shock+awe tactics then?,ie smash it all to bits with artillery,air power and stand off weapons?.
Probably what the russians should`ve just done in the first place.

The great tragedy here is that all of this could`ve been so easily avoided.
Oh well.......

This war showed that Russian Generals were on par with Saddam’s Generals post 1990.

Terrible ideas:

T-72’s running around with no infantry support (Did Syrian war teach them nothing?), BMPs charging front lines, supply lines driving around with no protection from ambushes, AD systems not activated to take down small drones, not enough use of UAVs to target artillery squads and gather recon. Lack of close air support and some strange tendency to walk straight into artillery fire. Not like artillery cannot be seen from miles away, those cannons aren’t exactly stealthy.

Lack of major bombing raids by one of the largest air forces in the world. 100 sorties a day? The Syrian Air Force ran more than that during the war and it had a rust bucket of an airforce. Too many helicopters getting shot down flying into contested airspace in the early days of the war. It’s like Russia thought they were fighting in Syria against rag tag terrorists not a nation state conventional army.

Someone in Russian brass thought this was Normandy and decided to paratroop special forces into Kiyv and other major locations at the beginning of the war, which just led them to being slaughtered. Add to that the Quick blitzkierg charges in the north with no supply lines set up to reinforce made Russia look like a amateur on the world stage. These are mistakes you would expect Armenia, Syria, maybe even Iran in 1980’s to make. Not 2022 Russia.

The first week of a war is most important and Russia largely avoided damaging anything and basically let a defending force keep their fortifications and food/water/comms.


If Russia had kept the war to just securing Mariupol, donbass, Luchnask, and Crimea land bridge...it would have likely been very successful “military operation”. They could likely have taken Odessa in a spearhead attack and taken the entire Ukraine coastline for their own.

Something like this would have been a lot more feasible:

Instead they raised an invasion force of only 170K for an operation that at the minimum wanted to take HALF of Ukraine including Kiyv which alone had 20-30K soldiers guarding it. So what ended up happening is in many fronts, offensives couldn’t be staged (After initial push) due to number of troops being insufficient. If you take out the Chechens in the south, who knows where Russian would be.

Very poor showing by Russian armed forces. This war and the subsequent propaganda war the west managed to wage across the entire electronic media channels, has turned Russia into a joke on the global world. No one is afarid of Russia besides that they might go berzerk and start dropping Novochik nerve agent or tactical nukes on people.

The ramifications of this war for Russia and even for Iran/China will be seen in years to come. NATO now sees Russia as a paper tiger and is rapidly arming itself to be able to strong arm Russia in future proxy conflicts.

This was supposed to be Russia’s message to the Western Global Order that post Soviet Russia is not to be messed with.

Instead it might go down as Putin’s swan song, with him joining the likes of Gorbachev as two leaders that watched a declining military power while being tricked by the West.

 

[Blue In Green]

This war showed that Russian Generals were on par with Saddam’s Generals post 1990.

Terrible ideas:

T-72’s running around with no infantry support (Did Syrian war teach them nothing?), BMPs charging front lines, supply lines driving around with no protection from ambushes, AD systems not activated to take down small drones, not enough use of UAVs to target artillery squads and gather recon. Lack of close air support and some strange tendency to walk straight into artillery fire. Not like artillery cannot be seen from miles away, those cannons aren’t exactly stealthy.

Lack of major bombing raids by one of the largest air forces in the world. 100 sorties a day? The Syrian Air Force ran more than that during the war and it had a rust bucket of an airforce. Too many helicopters getting shot down flying into contested airspace in the early days of the war. It’s like Russia thought they were fighting in Syria against rag tag terrorists not a nation state conventional army.

Someone in Russian brass thought this was Normandy and decided to paratroop special forces into Kiyv and other major locations at the beginning of the war, which just led them to being slaughtered. Add to that the Quick blitzkierg charges in the north with no supply lines set up to reinforce made Russia look like a amateur on the world stage. These are mistakes you would expect Armenia, Syria, maybe even Iran in 1980’s to make. Not 2022 Russia.

The first week of a war is most important and Russia largely avoided damaging anything and basically let a defending force keep their fortifications and food/water/comms.


If Russia had kept the war to just securing Mariupol, donbass, Luchnask, and Crimea land bridge...it would have likely been very successful “military operation”. They could likely have taken Odessa in a spearhead attack and taken the entire Ukraine coastline for their own.

Something like this would have been a lot more feasible:

View attachment 828578

Instead they raised an invasion force of only 170K for an operation that at the minimum wanted to take HALF of Ukraine including Kiyv which alone had 20-30K soldiers guarding it. So what ended up happening is in many fronts, offensives couldn’t be staged (After initial push) due to number of troops being insufficient. If you take out the Chechens in the south, who knows where Russian would be.

Very poor showing by Russian armed forces. This war and the subsequent propaganda war the west managed to wage across the entire electronic media channels, has turned Russia into a joke on the global world. No one is afarid of Russia besides that they might go berzerk and start dropping Novochik nerve agent or tactical nukes on people.

The ramifications of this war for Russia and even for Iran/China will be seen in years to come. NATO now sees Russia as a paper tiger and is rapidly arming itself to be able to strong arm Russia in future proxy conflicts.

This was supposed to be Russia’s message to the Western Global Order that post Soviet Russia is not to be messed with.

The question still remains as to why Russian MOD even went ahead with such an invasion plan and Putin signed off on it. Did they genuinely think that it would have been a cake-walk all the way to Kiev? If so, then I think we ALL have been mislead concerning Russia's military leadership and strategic planning prowess. I hope for their own sake as a people and nation, they regroup and come at Ukraine with an intent to obliterate target objectives instead of peppering some missiles here and there "strategically". As a country, they cannot afford to lose this war.

You bring up a rather sobering/somber point, one in which you also correctly elaborated on during the beginning of this conflict. If Russia doesn't achieve anything positive here, it will set the stage for years of future degradation as well as isolation for the Russian Federation ending in possible collapse of "Putin's Russia" and a likely return to a Yeltsin era where America was actively looting the Russian people of everything they had.

 

[SalarHaqq]

I think your mind is like a child who is easily brainwashed (I thought you would not repent, to stop worshiping putin no matter what).

Kindly refrain from projecting. You showed you'll accept NATO propaganda without hesitating, even when it's utterly sub par and credible only to mindless folk.

As for "worshipping" and "repenting", I'd advise to choose better words, as this could be considered borderline takfir. There's nothing convincing in what you put forth, and there was zero actual evidence of Russia committing war crimes in any of those documents.

Is it difficult to answer yes/no questions, then later you can add your reasons. You seem too cowardly to answer.

Cut these silly "yes/no questions". You're popping up all of sudden in the Iranian section, posting western fabrications about the Ukraine war and demonizing Iran's partner Russia. This is something US-, zionist-, British- and Saudi-funded, foreign-based Persian-language "regime change" media are known for. As well as western-apologetic liberals inside Iran (reformists and moderates) who have issues with the Supreme Leader and the IRGC.

Here's a telling example:

Uncritical rehashing of easily debunkable NATO narratives places you on the same page as the BBC, VOA, Saudi International, Manoto as well as Faezeh Rafsanjani and Sadeq Zibakalam (yeah, 'google' those), objectively speaking.

So if anything, it's us who should be submitting the questions, not the other way around.

Whether you can't see and hear clearly or your heart is made of stone, the grandparents are ukraine, try opening or twisting your ears wide and listening to the people who helped evacuate the bodies of these grandparents.

And you try to read more carefully. I didn't ask for proof that the victims were Ukrainians, but to provide evidence that the shooters were Russians and that they opened fire knowing that the car is manned by nothing more than a harmless civilian couple. Which of course you failed to do, because there's no such evidence. Only claims by NATO goons. Whereas on the other hand, there's evidence of western sources attributing similar actions to Russia without verification, before it turned out that said actions weren't of Russia's doing.

Are you too stup*d not to be able to open youtube video content that has a "warning" sign, you have to login to confirm on YouTube first and then you can open this video.

Did it occur to you that maybe I don't have a YouTube account, and will certainly not be bothered to waste time opening one just to watch some random propaganda? Someone who shares a video of Russian forces firing tear gas at people in a situation of war, and describes this is a manifestation of "evil", shouldn't have the nerve to call me names anyway.

I haven't answered your question regarding the "alleged" massacre of communist members during President Soekarno's time, it's because I think you seem to have lost the argument

Except that I trashed every accessible bit of NATO propaganda posted here, item by item. Including when the use of harmless tear gas was passed off as a horrible war crime. Histrionic anti-Russian antics (as opposed to constructive criticism) have no currency here, this much should be clear by now.

and are trying to find faults that have nothing to do with my time (I wasn't born at that time, id*ot!).

Ridiculous reaction, a crime is a crime, no matter when it was committed. And start showing some manners already, I'm used to civilized discussions not to exchanging insults. But if the party I'm facing is not interested in a courteous exchange, despite having been enjoined thrice to keep it civil, I can adapt my level of vocabulary accordingly, no worries.

I don't like (not a supporter) with all Indonesian Presidents, every presidential election I don't vote because I know most candidates don't have a good vision and mission. You don't know anything about Indonesian history.

I know enough to be aware of the scope of crimes against ordinary citizens (men, women, elderly, youngsters) which the CIA- and Mossad-assisted Indonesian military junta committed in and after 1965.

You don't know much about the atrocities of the PKI (abbreviation, the Indonesian communist party). Do you have a communist ideology? Did you know that communist ideology has caused more deaths on this planet than the 3 Evil Nazis, Zionists and Liberals combined. Below is a history of atrocities in 2 communist countries, namely China and the Soviet Union (Rusia).

1. Communist China
Can you name the greatest mass murderer of the 20th century? No, it wasn’t Hitler or Stalin. It was Mao Zedong.

According to the authoritative “Black Book of Communism,” an estimated 65 million Chinese died as a result of Mao’s repeated, merciless attempts to create a new “socialist” China. Anyone who got in his way was done away with -- by execution, imprisonment or forced famine.

For Mao, the No. 1 enemy was the intellectual. The so-called Great Helmsman reveled in his blood-letting, boasting, “What’s so unusual about Emperor Shih Huang of the China Dynasty? He had buried alive 460 scholars only, but we have buried alive 46,000 scholars.” Mao was referring to a major “accomplishment” of the Great Cultural Revolution, which from 1966-1976 transformed China into a great House of Fear.

The most inhumane example of Mao’s contempt for human life came when he ordered the collectivization of China’s agriculture under the ironic slogan, the “Great Leap Forward.” A deadly combination of lies about grain production, disastrous farming methods (profitable tea plantations, for example, were turned into rice fields), and misdistribution of food produced the worse famine in human history.

Deaths from hunger reached more than 50 percent in some Chinese villages. The total number of dead from 1959 to 1961 was between 30 million and 40 million -- the population of California.

Rounding up enemies

Only five years later, when he sensed that revolutionary fervor in China was waning, Mao proclaimed the Cultural Revolution. Gangs of Red Guards -- young men and women between 14 and 21 -- roamed the cities targeting revisionists and other enemies of the state, especially teachers.

Professors were dressed in grotesque clothes and dunce caps, their faces smeared with ink. They were then forced to get down on all fours and bark like dogs. Some were beaten to death, some even eaten -- all for the promulgation of Maoism. A reluctant Mao finally called in the Red Army to put down the marauding Red Guards when they began attacking Communist Party members, but not before 1 million Chinese died.

All the while, Mao kept expanding the laogai, a system of 1,000 forced labor camps throughout China. Harry Wu, who spent 19 years in labor camps, has estimated that from the 1950s through the 1980s, 50 million Chinese passed through the Chinese version of the Soviet gulag. Twenty million died as a result of the primitive living conditions and 14-hour work days.

Such calculated cruelty exemplified his Al Capone philosophy: “Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.”

2. Communist Uni Soviet (Rusia)

Stalin’s extremely brutal 30-year rule as absolute ruler of the Soviet Union featured so many atrocities, including purges, expulsions, forced displacements, imprisonment in labor camps, manufactured famines, torture and good old-fashioned acts of mass murder and massacres (not to mention World War II) that the complete toll of bloodshed will likely never be known. Even worse, the consequences of his iron-fist ruling and terrible policies shaped the world forever, even being a domino piece in the current increased probability of nuclear war, in some sort of torment butterfly effect

An amoral psychopath and paranoid with a gangster’s mentality, Stalin eliminated anyone and everyone who was a threat to his power – including (and especially) former allies. He had absolutely no regard for the sanctity of human life.
But how many people is he responsible for killing?

In February 1989, two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million.

''It's important that they published it, although the numbers themselves are horrible,'' Medvedev told the New York Times at the time.
''Those numbers include my father.''
Medevedev's grim bookkeeping included the following tragic episodes: 1 million imprisoned or exiled between 1927 to 1929; 9 to 11 million peasants forced off their lands and another 2 to 3 million peasants arrested or exiled in the mass collectivization program; 6 to 7 million killed by an artificial famine in 1932-1934; 1 million exiled from Moscow and Leningrad in 1935; 1 million executed during the ''Great Terror'' of 1937-1938; 4 to 6 million dispatched to forced labor camps; 10 to 12 million people forcibly relocated during World War II; and at least 1 million arrested for various “political crimes” from 1946 to 1953.

Although not everyone who was swept up in the aforementioned events died from unnatural causes, Medvedev’s 20 million non-combatant deaths estimate is likely a conservative guess.
Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.
Most other estimates from reputed scholars and historians tend to range from between 20 and 60 million.

In his book, “Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954,” I.G. Dyadkin estimated that the USSR suffered 56 to 62 million "unnatural deaths" during that period, with 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin.
In “Europe A History,” British historian Norman Davies counted 50 million killed between 1924-53, excluding wartime casualties.
Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev, a Soviet politician and historian, estimated 35 million deaths.

Even some who have put out estimates based on research admit their calculations may be inadequate.
In his acclaimed book “The Great Terror: Stalin’s Purge of the Thirties,” Anglo-American historian Robert Conquest said: “We get a figure of 20 million dead [under Stalin], which is almost certainly too low and might require an increase of 50 percent or so.”
Quotes attributed to Stalin reflected his utter disregard for human life. Among other bons mots, he allegedly declared: “Death is the solution to all problems. No man -- no problem,” and “One death is a tragedy; one million is a statistic.”
Part of the problem with counting the total loss of life lies with the incompleteness and unreliability of Soviet records. A more troubling dilemma has to do with the fact that many some deaths – like starvation from famines – may or may not have been directly connected to Stalin’s policies.
In any case, if the figure of 60 million dead is accurate that would mean that an average of 2 million were killed during each year of Stalin’s horrific reign – or 40,000 every week (even during “peacetime”).
If the lower estimate of 20 million is the true number, that still translates into 1,830 deaths every single day.
Thus, Stalin’s regime represented a machinery of killing that history – excluding, perhaps, China under Chairman Mao Tse-Tung -- has never witnessed.

Off topic rant marking a simplistic attempt to dodge the question. In the context of the present discussion, it's pretty irrelevant whether communists have been responsible for more deaths than representatives of other ideologies, since this isn't meant to be a macabre tally, but rather an examination of how objective you are. Two wrongs don't make a right as you yourself started out arguing. However, your above reply practically amounts to a confirmation that you aren't ready to practice what you preach when it comes to condemning war crimes, massacres of civilians and so on.

You cited Islamic principles relative to the prohibition of killing civilians and expect people to consider Russia as "evil" for shooting tear gas at wartime gatherings, but when confronted with the wanton, mind-boggling mass murder of up to 1,5 million of Indonesia's own citizens by its western-backed military and like-minded mobs, you'll be content with replying "but, communists killed more - in other countries".

Enough said! Every person with a semblance of intellectual integrity will now have seen why you aren't exactly in a position to lecture the Russian Federation in its current war effort nor to engage into some "human rights" crusade against the latter. Full stop.

 

[Stryker1982]

This war showed that Russian Generals were on par with Saddam’s Generals post 1990.

Terrible ideas:

T-72’s running around with no infantry support (Did Syrian war teach them nothing?), BMPs charging front lines, supply lines driving around with no protection from ambushes, AD systems not activated to take down small drones, not enough use of UAVs to target artillery squads and gather recon. Lack of close air support and some strange tendency to walk straight into artillery fire. Not like artillery cannot be seen from miles away, those cannons aren’t exactly stealthy.

Lack of major bombing raids by one of the largest air forces in the world. 100 sorties a day? The Syrian Air Force ran more than that during the war and it had a rust bucket of an airforce. Too many helicopters getting shot down flying into contested airspace in the early days of the war. It’s like Russia thought they were fighting in Syria against rag tag terrorists not a nation state conventional army.

Someone in Russian brass thought this was Normandy and decided to paratroop special forces into Kiyv and other major locations at the beginning of the war, which just led them to being slaughtered. Add to that the Quick blitzkierg charges in the north with no supply lines set up to reinforce made Russia look like a amateur on the world stage. These are mistakes you would expect Armenia, Syria, maybe even Iran in 1980’s to make. Not 2022 Russia.

The first week of a war is most important and Russia largely avoided damaging anything and basically let a defending force keep their fortifications and food/water/comms.


If Russia had kept the war to just securing Mariupol, donbass, Luchnask, and Crimea land bridge...it would have likely been very successful “military operation”. They could likely have taken Odessa in a spearhead attack and taken the entire Ukraine coastline for their own.

Something like this would have been a lot more feasible:

View attachment 828578

Instead they raised an invasion force of only 170K for an operation that at the minimum wanted to take HALF of Ukraine including Kiyv which alone had 20-30K soldiers guarding it. So what ended up happening is in many fronts, offensives couldn’t be staged (After initial push) due to number of troops being insufficient. If you take out the Chechens in the south, who knows where Russian would be.

Very poor showing by Russian armed forces. This war and the subsequent propaganda war the west managed to wage across the entire electronic media channels, has turned Russia into a joke on the global world. No one is afarid of Russia besides that they might go berzerk and start dropping Novochik nerve agent or tactical nukes on people.

The ramifications of this war for Russia and even for Iran/China will be seen in years to come. NATO now sees Russia as a paper tiger and is rapidly arming itself to be able to strong arm Russia in future proxy conflicts.

This was supposed to be Russia’s message to the Western Global Order that post Soviet Russia is not to be messed with.

Instead it might go down as Putin’s swan song, with him joining the likes of Gorbachev as two leaders that watched a declining military power while being tricked by the West.

Not even the 101st Airborne dove into Baghdad at the start of the war and they had a massive airforce behind them. To elaborate on the quantity of personnel.

Russian deployed around 200,000 troops to invade a country with 45 million people where a substantial proportion of the population is resistant, not to mention mandatory conscription are also in place. Russia could easily be dealing with a few million combatants. Perhaps in a disorganized manner but non the less, a few million is quite feasible.

 

[SalarHaqq]

@925boy

Look, i swear on my coscience, i have this SKETCHY dude"ignored" since the last Gaza war, you know why? HIS takes on things.....they made me know this person, is either paid, or working for intelligence, or something else. Now that you say all this now, i cant disagree, thats matches with my i've had him ignored on PDF for almost a year now.

Well said. And I believe your third hypothesis is correct i.e. something else. Because actual intelligence operatives are magnitudes brighter and more knowledgeable than this.