گفته بودی که آمار ایران بالاتر از کشورهای منطقه و اروپایی هست و حتی گزارشی که از مشرق نیوز برات فرستاده بودم که رهبر به وزارت بهداشت توپیده بود رو زیر سئوال بردی گفتی درست نیست. نرخ باروری ۱.۶ یعنی در حد کشورهای شمال اروپا و اروپای غربی. حتی پایین‌تر از کشورهایی مثل فرانسه و سوئد و دانمارک و در حد کشوری مثل آلمان
The fact that there are conflicting statistics about Iran and that none of us has the means to verify which figure is accurate, is not unrelated to the discussion.
Germany's fertility rate was of 1.596 births per woman in 2020, so Iran is not doing worse than them. Also, birthrates in western Europe tend to be artificially bloated by mass immigration from developing nations.
با دو تفاوت خیلی عمده البته. یکی اینکه این کشورهای اروپایی تمام توسعه یافته هستن ولی ما هنوز در حال توسعه هستیم و دو اینکه این کشورهای اروپایی که نرخ باروری پایین دارن لااقل نرخ مهاجرت بالا دارن که باعث می‌شه نیروی انسانی تأمین بشه اما در ایران نرخ مهاجرت هم سالهاست به سمت شدید منفی شدن رفته، حتی با وجود مهاجرین افغان که حتی خوندن و نوشتن هم بلد نیستن
I mentioned Turkey's fertility rate of a mere 1.88. Turkey's HDI is hardly superior to Iran's while its fertility rate is very close if not inferior (since none of us knows which figure given for Iran is the correct one). So, one cannot say that only the most developed countries experience demographic transition.
The same example of Turkey proves that secularization isn't a solution to the issue. Hence, there are no grounds to single out the Islamic Repunlic or to blame its theocratic nature for Iran's current fertility rate. Doing so wouldn't be scientific at all. Not least because when sharia law used to be implemented in the strictest way, that is during the 1980's - as opposed to nowadays, Iran's fertility rate was one of the most elevated on earth.
نخبگان علمی و ورزشی و اقتصادی (به جز شارلاتان‌های وابسته به نظام که اختلاس‌های چندهزار میلیاردی می‌کنند) رو داریم می‌دیم به کشورهای دیگه و جاش مهاجرینی رو می‌گیریم که حتی خوندن و نوشتن هم بلد نیستن بیشترشون و برخیشون اصلاً با فرهنگ‌های متضاد با ما هستن مثل پشتون‌ها
The so-called brain drain supposedly affecting Iran is vastly exaggerated in popular representations.
Considering the quantity of highly qualified personnel that the national economy of Iran is able to absorb, the fact is that Iran's universities are producing a surplus of graduates, therefore emigration of some is a necessity even.
A second fact is that in reality and contrary to the anti-IR propaganda peddled by media and gossip left and right, Iran has a pretty low rate of emigration. Iranian overseas communities are not particularly numerous in international comparison. A country such as south Korea (known as the "suicide capital of the world"), whose average education level is superior to Iran's, has a significantly higher proportion of nationals living abroad compared to Iran. And those south Korean emigrants are anything but under-educated.
Also, thank God Iran is not a destination for mass immigration, and luckily the only large group of permanent immigrant residents (i. e. Afghans) are linguistically and culturally speaking almost identical to the locals. Erosion of national identity and of local specificity are a consequence of mass immigration from culturally alien spots, as can be observed everywhere in western Europe. Definitely not something an Iranian patriot should long for.
As for the Afghan immigrants, they are filling a relative void on the job market, by taking care of tasks less and less Iranians are willing to carry out.
Last but not least, let us not underestimate the power of the Persian-language media funded by Iran's foreign enemies, and well as their ability to brainwash educated Iranians into idealizing the west while looking down on their own country in a completely unjustified manner. I said it before, the sheer magnitude and perfidy of the anti-IR propaganda machine put in place by NATO regimes and the globalist oligarchy, is unprecedented in human history. Once again, take that factor out of the equation and the number of educated Iranians willing to leave their country will suddenly decrease in a sharp and sudden manner.
یعنی به نوعی داریم گند می‌زنیم به خزانه ژنتیکی کشور و ارزش‌های جامعه. آدم‌های باهوش، قد بلند و ورزشکار و پولدار و کارآفرین رو می‌ذاریم از ایران خارج بشن و بعد بهشون فحش می‌دیم که شما وطن فروشین و ... و جاش افرادی میان که حتی از متوسط جامعه ایران هم پایین‌تر هستند و برخیشون ته دلشون ایرانی‌ها رو کافر می‌دونند
We are not causing this. Our enemies are for the most part, with their incessant propaganda and social engineering, whose considerable effects cannot be understated.
Even so, for a developing country Iran is doing well in the stated areas. Lots of developed, industrialized nations are worse off than Iran when it comes to emigration, brain drain, and so on.
As for "tall people", I'm not sure whether this is serious...? The token number of athletes leaving Iran after being brainwashed by western and zionist propaganda, are not going to affect the average height of Iranians. Never mind the fact that athletes aren't necessarily tall. Lots of spite for the Islamic Republic can be sensed in the above quoted words, and it seems this spite can at times lead to outlandish claims.
خود این آمار حرف تو رو نقض می‌کنه. اگر قرار بود شریعت اسلام باعث جلوگیری از پایین اومدن نرخ باروری بشه که آمار ایران به عنوان تنها کشوری که داره شریعت اسلام رو واقعاً پیاده می‌کنه این شکلی نبود. بیشترین نرخ باروری تو کشورهای آفریقایی هست که بیشترشون مسلمون هم نیستن. خیلی‌هاشون هنوز قبایلی دارن که مردم توش لخت هستن ولی نرخ باروریشون چندبرابر کشورهای دیگه هست
I didn't claim sharia law guarantees high fertility rates. All I pointed to, and my point stands, is that sharia law is not the cause for the decrease in birthrates. The comparison with Turkey provides undeniable proof of this. Turkey too has seen its fertility rate decrease continuously, so much so that it has now fallen below the 2.1 limit necessary for generational renewal.
Then again, one of the main factors I highlighted is being ignored, and that is the incomparably massive amount of propaganda and social engineering Iranians are subjected to, as opposed to Turks or others.
So yes, if it takes such a humongous propaganda campaign to push down Iran's fertility rate, then theocracy is arguably quite the barrier against undesirable demographic recession. What remains to be done now is to neutralize the enemy's soft war, and to implement adequate countermeasures such as the ones I alluded to before.
ترکیه که سکولار هست نرخ باروری بیشتری از ما داره.
We're discussing whether the replacement of generations is ensured or not. And with a fertility rate of 1.88, secular Turkey is visibly failing in this department.
Furthermore the Turkish population are not being subjected to the kind of propaganda campaign Iranians are suffering from. Because their regime is secular already - it ensures demographic decay all by itself, by virtue if its nature. No gazillion anti-regime sites or social media accounts are required for Turkey, nor dozens of BBC / Manoto type satellite broadcasters.
لبنانی که مردمش یکی از سکولارترین مردمان منطقه هستن نرخ باروریشون بالای ۲ هست. سوریه که هم سکولار هستند هم جنگ زده هستند نرخ باروریشون ۲.۷ هست. عراق ۳.۵ هست و آذربایجان شوروی ۲ هست و تقریباً هر کشوری که کنار دست ما نگاه کنی همین وضعیت هست
Being at war does not necessarily hamper birthrates. When Islamic Iran was itself in an armed conflict between 1980 and 1988, it also registered extremely elevated fertility rates. So this does not invalidate my point.
The mentioned countries for the most part are not as developed as Iran. With social development, with urbanization, with modernization comes decrease in birthrates.
And, none of their populations is exposed to the type of massive, omnipresent liberal propaganda, psy-ops and social engineering endeavour which Iranians are suffering from, propaganda which takes aim at the nuclear family structure and at traditional values and lifestyles, inoculates unrealistically bleak future perspectives and thereby mechanically lowers people's incentive and motivation for procreation.
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