Iranian Air Defense Systems

[sha ah]

Spent all that money playing around with F-5 clones instead of buying some decent interceptors in the 90’s or building one with a massive national focus like Bavar-373 project

Jet's won't make much of too much of a difference if the US decides to go to war with Iran. Even if Iran had bought the best Russian / Chinese jets last year, in the end export versions can't compare with the weapons that a superpower like the US possesses. Iran's best bet is their defensive weapons, missiles, ballistic, cruise, supersonic anti ship missiles, etc Realistically though in a full scale war Iran would suffer more than the US. Iran can't really win a conventional war against the US face to face

The US presidential re-election is nearing and I highly doubt Trump would start a war with Iran during that time. Most likely Trump is bluffing about attacking Iran directly, but who knows, he doesn't seem to have a consistent strategy or even principles to stick to.

Iran's best bet right now is to bog America down in a terrible quagmire in the middle east. Iran could do this by giving proxy forces advanced weapons, even arming the Taliban with missiles, rockets, ATGM's, manpads, sniper rifles with armor piercing rounds.

After 20 yrs the taliban with a bunch of rusty weapons and sandals currently control 25% to 1/3rd of Afghanistan. Iran could even send in some tactical sniper units dressed in Ghillie suits. The Americans would get wrecked and before long would have to send in re-enforcements.

Iran can do the same thing in Iraq. I'm sure Iran has tunnels going into Iraq. My guess is that they're currently at a stage where they're planning things out and moving, transporting weapons into place

Another option would be to do what the Chinese do and pump drugs into the USA. Think about it, the US is sanctioning Iran and despite this Iran is responsible for 70% of the worlds Opium seizures and Iran's population suffers extensively from the illegal drug trade in Afghanistan. Instead of burning the seized Opium, Heroine, etc Iran could make a massive profit, re-direct some of these drugs to the EU and then US. That would be very immoral but desperate times call for desperate measures.

I'm not advocating any of this but I can guarantee that these are options which the Iranian leadership is considering.

 

[PeeD]

People don't understand how a Tor system in Tehran region could have believed that an U.S asset made it all the way undetected to that critical region.

The truth is that this was a realistic scenario.
First: The U.S admitted that they had an ESM satellite that picked up radio emissions of the Tor's radar.
So they have a good electronic map of Iran.
Electronic maps combined with stealth are the bread and butter of highest tier U.S airpower.
Based on this and Iran's vast and rugged terrain, this in combination with a line of sight map allows to draw a path at which a special asset at strict altitude and emission control, can come as far as Tehran.
This asset would not be a normal one such as a F-22, but a black project asset with very high range performance.
So the threat was realistic even if there would not exist many of such black assets.

Best practice to confront such threats would be to set up kill spheres, where everything is attacked with the shortest possible reaction time to avoid losing track.

It is was very unwise to allow civilian flights with the background knowledge of these things...

 

[Ich]

It is was very unwise to allow civilian flights with the background knowledge of these things...

Yes. For me the question is: Were there more starts of civilian flights at that time at that airport?

Maybe there was a no fly and then hours later some at the airport allow the start cause of business and maybe the pilot pressure the tower und urged the start.

 

[arashkamangir]

People don't understand how a Tor system in Tehran region could have believed that an U.S asset made it all the way undetected to that critical region.

The truth is that this was a realistic scenario.
First: The U.S admitted that they had an ESM satellite that picked up radio emissions of the Tor's radar.
So they have a good electronic map of Iran.
Electronic maps combined with stealth are the bread and butter of highest tier U.S airpower.
Based on this and Iran's vast and rugged terrain, this in combination with a line of sight map allows to draw a path at which a special asset at strict altitude and emission control, can come as far as Tehran.
This asset would not be a normal one such as a F-22, but a black project asset with very high range performance.
So the threat was realistic even if there would not exist many of such black assets.

Best practice to confront such threats would be to set up kill spheres, where everything is attacked with the shortest possible reaction time to avoid losing track.

It is was very unwise to allow civilian flights with the background knowledge of these things...

Thank you. That was my point in the first post of the thread "Did we just shoot down our own passenger plane?


Here is a new footage (first part of this video):
https://www.aparat.com/v/HchVg

This doesn't look like Tor M1 to me. @PeeD
What is your take on this?

 

[striver44]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1216006173230583808

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215944903978557440

LOL where are those who denied this yesterday??????? Iran IRGC officer had admitted responsibility

 

[Iskander]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215678704195600386

 

[TheImmortal]

People don't understand how a Tor system in Tehran region could have believed that an U.S asset made it all the way undetected to that critical region.

The truth is that this was a realistic scenario.
First: The U.S admitted that they had an ESM satellite that picked up radio emissions of the Tor's radar.
So they have a good electronic map of Iran.
Electronic maps combined with stealth are the bread and butter of highest tier U.S airpower.
Based on this and Iran's vast and rugged terrain, this in combination with a line of sight map allows to draw a path at which a special asset at strict altitude and emission control, can come as far as Tehran.
This asset would not be a normal one such as a F-22, but a black project asset with very high range performance.
So the threat was realistic even if there would not exist many of such black assets.

Best practice to confront such threats would be to set up kill spheres, where everything is attacked with the shortest possible reaction time to avoid losing track.

It is was very unwise to allow civilian flights with the background knowledge of these things...

So a super secret Black project made it all the way to Tehran, but then SUDDENDLY its RCS went from that of a mosquito to a damn blimp? LOL

The mental gymnastics some of you guys are performing to justify this accident is absurd.

This officer was grossly incompetent and sitting next to a massive international airport and mistook a passenger plane for a threat without communicating with the plane. It would have taken less than 30 seconds for operator to say

Operator: “Unknown threat you approaching IRGC military zone identify yourself immediately or risk being shot down”

Pilot: “IRGC this is a damn passenger plane please learn to read your radar better”

You see how easy that was?

There is a reason why one of the heads of IRGC already accepted to take whatever punishment the government bestows. This was a reckless and amateur action. No justification.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1215678704195600386

Looks like Iranian air defense crews have a history of being borderline retarded.

All these mishaps and no risk management protocol? IRGC should be severely punished

 

[PeeD]

So a super secret Black project made it all the way to Tehran, but then SUDDENDLY its RCS went from that of a mosquito to a damn blimp? LOL

The mental gymnastics some of you guys are performing to justify this accident is absurd.

This officer was grossly incompetent and sitting next to a massive international airport and mistook a passenger plane for a threat without communicating with the plane. It would have taken less than 30 seconds for operator to say

Tor-M1 is at its core a early to mid-80's system even lacking digital Monitors. What makes you think it has a RCS - range comparison algorithm?

CMs, more so stealth ones would be the most likely threat but high altitude could potentially have been a unknown kind of black asset.

 

[TheImmortal]

Tor-M1 is at its core a early to mid-80's system even lacking digital Monitors. What makes you think it has a RCS - range comparison algorithm?

CMs, more so stealth ones would be the most likely threat but high altitude could potentially have been a unknown kind of black asset.

So your telling me a TOR-M1 cannot distinguish between a passenger plane and a cruise missile because it Possibly lacks “digital monitors”

Come on, that TOR-M1 is tied to a command and control unit and other radars. At the very least the operator would double check and triple check before firing.

But based on Pentagon report, Iranian air defense units have a history of reckless action.

 

[Stryker1982]

None of this would've happened if flights were grounded as per standard international protocal in war time

 

[Myself]

Tor-M1 is at its core a early to mid-80's system even lacking digital Monitors. What makes you think it has a RCS - range comparison algorithm?

CMs, more so stealth ones would be the most likely threat but high altitude could potentially have been a unknown kind of black asset.

So, when it’s comes to propaganda Iran can upgrade its Tor-M1 units to higher standards than the original manufacturer, but when it comes to responsibility they cannot differentiate between a passenger plane and a cruise missile? As usual, the U.S. version of story should be the most accurate one, meaning that the plane was hit by two missiles, not only one.

None of this would've happened if flights were grounded as per standard international protocal in war time

Please don’t be naive. If they had grounded all the flights, they wouldn’t be able to target one of them, and their plot would have been failed before born! The issue with these dishonest morons was that they were thinking the U.S. would retaliate by firing multiple cruise missiles. Iranian officials knew better than anybody else that they could not withstand a prolonged war with the U.S., and one of the very few options to stop such war was to engage the U.S. in a human-related tragedy.

 

[arashkamangir]

Guys, I don't think this was a Tor M1 system. The launch is inconsistent in my eyes but please provide feedback.

https://www.aparat.com/v/HchVg

@PeeD what do you think?

 

[Ich]

Guys, I don't think this was a Tor M1 system. The launch is inconsistent in my eyes but please provide feedback.

https://www.aparat.com/v/HchVg

@PeeD what do you think?

You think about manpad?

 

[Myself]

You think about manpad?

It seems to be Ra’ad system.

 

[Arminkh]

It seems to be Ra’ad system.

It probably was a smaller system. If the picture we saw from part of the missile really belongs to this event the could be Ya Zahra or something similar.