Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Hack-Hook]

Hopefully Houthis have received Sayyad-2C with its apparently ARH seeker. Saudis captured a Sayyad-3C body section without the critical seeker and systems sections.
That system would have a extremely low footprint, a small truck with single launcher would be sufficient.
Hezbollah likely has it.
This, together with one of Irans passive thermal camera detection systems like the Seraj would be the absolute guerrilla air defense weapon. A nightmare for any SEAD/DEAD campaign...
This level of technological capability can easily decide the faith of a western air campaign.
Weakpoint is only the ARH seeker itself, self defense jamming can counter it and its true for anything up to the AMRAAM.

hopefully they did not .and no Sayyad is too big to be a guerrilla air-defense system

 

[PeeD]

hopefully they did not .and no Sayyad is too big to be a guerrilla air-defense system

Noor was not too big for Hezbollah in 2006 hence Sayyad-2C is not too big either.

The missile body captured by Saudis contains technology between SM-1 and SM-2 booster, hence there was no critical technology leak.
The critical seeker section was smuggled in a different more secure way.
SD-2C hold no critical position in Irans SAM doctrine anyway, it is a special but fragile weapon, best used in ambushed. Most useful in most contested airspace.
Plus Iran has export grade projects to prevent critical technology to be captured.

 

[scimitar19]

lmao iran got scammed

I hope Russians have good customer care team for all S 300/400 users.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Noor was not too big for Hezbollah in 2006 hence Sayyad-2C is not too big either.

The missile body captured by Saudis contains technology between SM-1 and SM-2 booster, hence there was no critical technology leak.
The critical seeker section was smuggled in a different more secure way.
SD-2C hold no critical position in Irans SAM doctrine anyway, it is a special but fragile weapon, best used in ambushed. Most useful in most contested airspace.
Plus Iran has export grade projects to prevent critical technology to be captured.

First Hezbollah never fought a guerilla warfare.
Second the launcher shown in Hezbollah video only showed in iran in 2011-2012.
Second Sayyad is 3rd of khordad , it's Bavar-373 it's 15th of khordad .
It's pretty much going to be the backbone of our airdefence so I rather we won't give it to every body.
Also look at 3rd of khordad system which is the smallest Sayyad deployment and tell me how Houthis gonna protect it. And how it's guerilla warfare equipment.

If you want to give Sayyad you must give a tellar and if you want sayyad2 be sayyad2 you must give them Bashir radar.
If you want to give them 15th of khordad then the situation is worse and you must give them the radar otherwise the system is useless

 

[arashkamangir]

First Hezbollah never fought a guerilla warfare.
Second the launcher shown in Hezbollah video only showed in iran in 2011-2012.
Second Sayyad is 3rd of khordad , it's Bavar-373 it's 15th of khordad .
It's pretty much going to be the backbone of our airdefence so I rather we won't give it to every body.
Also look at 3rd of khordad system which is the smallest Sayyad deployment and tell me how Houthis gonna protect it. And how it's guerilla warfare equipment.

If you want to give Sayyad you must give a tellar and if you want sayyad2 be sayyad2 you must give them Bashir radar.
If you want to give them 15th of khordad then the situation is worse and you must give them the radar otherwise the system is useless

No, just because the missile shell is Sayyad 2 it doesn't mean it is of the same variant as Iranian counter parts. There are variations in seeker layout, sensitivity, tracking pipeline, sensors and etc.

It has been shown by Houthis to use FLIR IR based tracking in conjunction with SA-6, which is a mish mash of western, Easter and Iranian/Houthis tech... It is a pure gorilla weapon because it is mobile, low foot print yet impactful and hard to identify. Sayyad 2 and Raad missiles are mobile missiles meant for exactly these types of ops.

 

[PeeD]

@arashkamangir said it.

If Sayyad-2C is the ARH seeker component it does not need Raad, 3rd Khordad or Tabas.
It can be integrated into a FLIR system, just needs the coordinates and not even a mid-course update of used within 20km or so.

Houthis have already deployed R-27T AAMs on small trucks, the same would be done with a Sayyad-2C. One is an IR seeker missile without INS that needs to be locked from the ground and the other is a ARH SAM that activates its seeker search at a coordinate in space.
One of the few guerrilla weapons that can reach out to high altitude, a pure nightmare of the opposing airpower.

 

[Hack-Hook]

No, just because the missile shell is Sayyad 2 it doesn't mean it is of the same variant as Iranian counter parts. There are variations in seeker layout, sensitivity, tracking pipeline, sensors and etc.

It has been shown by Houthis to use FLIR IR based tracking in conjunction with SA-6, which is a mish mash of western, Easter and Iranian/Houthis tech... It is a pure gorilla weapon because it is mobile, low foot print yet impactful and hard to identify. Sayyad 2 and Raad missiles are mobile missiles meant for exactly these types of ops.

If you want to use an infrared or optic seeker with maximum of 20-25km detection range why use a missile with the range of 100km .
Better use a short range missile instead.

 

[Mithridates]

If you want to use an infrared or optic seeker with maximum of 20-25km detection range why use a missile with the range of 100km .
Better use a short range missile instead.

this fellow here has 50 km range while scanning the horizon and 80 km during interception.
lol i just don't remember it's name.

 

[Hack-Hook]

@arashkamangir said it.

If Sayyad-2C is the ARH seeker component it does not need Raad, 3rd Khordad or Tabas.
It can be integrated into a FLIR system, just needs the coordinates and not even a mid-course update of used within 20km or so.

Houthis have already deployed R-27T AAMs on small trucks, the same would be done with a Sayyad-2C. One is an IR seeker missile without INS that needs to be locked from the ground and the other is a ARH SAM that activates its seeker search at a coordinate in space.
One of the few guerrilla weapons that can reach out to high altitude, a pure nightmare of the opposing airpower.

What for ? You WA t to target enemy at range of 20-30km at high altitude use a short range missile that can reach up to 17km . why not use a taer variant ? Has all the specification.

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this fellow here has 50 km range while scanning the horizon and 80 km during interception.
lol i just don't remember it's name.

Not when the weather is not optimal

 

[PeeD]

What for ? You WA t to target enemy at range of 20-30km at high altitude use a short range missile that can reach up to 17km . why not use a taer variant ? Has all the specification.

Taer series and Sayyad-2 series have about the same size, they and all others such as Buk series, HQ-16, SM-2, all have the same kinematic objective: Protect city, a division or a ship flotilla.
That's why they have all the same size and layout. Anything larger makes no big difference in that class and anything shorter reduced performance. Its the ideal size for SAMs in this class.

In that sense: Sayyad-2 at 30km range has a significantly higher PK than Sayyad-2 at 75km. Iranian TI cameras can now easily cover 40km and for a 40km, high altitude target, Sayyad-2 has the right size with high PK.

 

[Draco.IMF]

Taer series and Sayyad-2 series have about the same size, they and all others such as Buk series, HQ-16, SM-2, all have the same kinematic objective: Protect city, a division or a ship flotilla.
That's why they have all the same size and layout. Anything larger makes no big difference in that class and anything shorter reduced performance. Its the ideal size for SAMs in this class.

In that sense: Sayyad-2 at 30km range has a significantly higher PK than Sayyad-2 at 75km. Iranian TI cameras can now easily cover 40km and for a 40km, high altitude target, Sayyad-2 has the right size with high PK.

wouldnt be Mersad 2 "Mobile System" (Kamin) not a much better suited system for Hezbollah/guerilla warfare? (Low footprint...)

 

[PeeD]

wouldnt be Mersad 2 "Mobile System" (Kamin) not a much better suited system for Hezbollah/guerilla warfare? (Low footprint...)

A single SD-2C on a DIY rail on a small two axle truck is sufficient. No Mersad-3 or Sayyad-2 TELs needed, too large.

 

[Iskander]

Houthis used FLIR maybe Iranian supplied to detect American MQ-9 reaper drones before shotdown

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Houthis used FLIR maybe Iranian supplied to detect American MQ-9 reaper drones before shotdown

Actually, it is speculated that the US provided Yemen with those same FLIR systems in 2009 that it now uses to shoot down US F-15s and MQ-9s!

https://twitter.com/x/status/950514067055284224

"There is a distinct possibility that the United States might have supplied the FLIR Systems turret the Yemenis claimed to have employed during this shoot down. In July 2009, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the Pentagon’s main arms broker, approved a so-called Pseudo-Foreign Military Sales, or Pseudo-FMS, deal that included three Ultra 8500 turrets “or equivalent,” as well as other equipment and contractor support.

The full package, intended as an upgrade for Yemen’s Huey II helicopters, had an estimated value of more than $3.7 million. The Ultra 8500s by themselves were worth more than $600,000 apiece."

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-flir-video-showing-shoot-down-of-saudi-f-15s

 

[Hack-Hook]

Taer series and Sayyad-2 series have about the same size, they and all others such as Buk series, HQ-16, SM-2, all have the same kinematic objective: Protect city, a division or a ship flotilla.
That's why they have all the same size and layout. Anything larger makes no big difference in that class and anything shorter reduced performance. Its the ideal size for SAMs in this class.

In that sense: Sayyad-2 at 30km range has a significantly higher PK than Sayyad-2 at 75km. Iranian TI cameras can now easily cover 40km and for a 40km, high altitude target, Sayyad-2 has the right size with high PK.

Then why equip 3rd of khordad with Sayyad-2 and taer ? Why equip 15 khordad with Sayyad-2 and Sayyad-3 ?

A single SD-2C on a DIY rail on a small two axle truck is sufficient. No Mersad-3 or Sayyad-2 TELs needed, too large.

That Sayyad-2 can be tater with appropriate range for the hack.