Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Iskander]

Actually, it is speculated that the US provided Yemen with those same FLIR systems in 2009 that it now uses to shoot down US F-15s and MQ-9s!

https://twitter.com/x/status/950514067055284224

"There is a distinct possibility that the United States might have supplied the FLIR Systems turret the Yemenis claimed to have employed during this shoot down. In July 2009, the Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the Pentagon’s main arms broker, approved a so-called Pseudo-Foreign Military Sales, or Pseudo-FMS, deal that included three Ultra 8500 turrets “or equivalent,” as well as other equipment and contractor support.

The full package, intended as an upgrade for Yemen’s Huey II helicopters, had an estimated value of more than $3.7 million. The Ultra 8500s by themselves were worth more than $600,000 apiece."

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...-flir-video-showing-shoot-down-of-saudi-f-15s

yes Houthis used them but these systems supplied by Americans before the war started can be distinguished by the company logo in the display

 

[DoubleYouSee]

yes Houthis used them but these systems supplied by Americans before the war started can be distinguished by the company logo in the display View attachment 575906

did the missile miss the target........it doesn't seem that plane get downed....after explosion;it keeps going on it's way.

 

[PeeD]

Then why equip 3rd of khordad with Sayyad-2 and taer ? Why equip 15 khordad with Sayyad-2 and Sayyad-3 ?

From what is known 3rd Khordad uses SD-2C as its special ARH-seeker component. Taer-2 is its dedicated missile, SARH.
15th Khordad simply can use the missiles IRIADF has due to its Talash programs, SD-2 and SD-3.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

did the missile miss the target........it doesn't seem that plane get downed....after explosion;it keeps going on it's way.

It is a bit unclear because Houthis claim two instances - one in Jan 2018 and one in March 2018.

Houthis first claimed the Jan 2018 incident was a Tornado shot down, but later said it was a F-15.

Saudis admitted losing a jet over Yemen in January, but they said it was a Tornado not an F-15. Saudis also said in the March incident that a F-15 was hit but survived and returned to base.

However, the Houthis released that video in January 2018 which clearly shows an F-15, so it's not very clear.

 

[arashkamangir]

From what is known 3rd Khordad uses SD-2C as its special ARH-seeker component. Taer-2 is its dedicated missile, SARH.
15th Khordad simply can use the missiles IRIADF has due to its Talash programs, SD-2 and SD-3.

It is a bit unclear because Houthis claim two instances - one in Jan 2018 and one in March 2018.

Houthis first claimed the Jan 2018 incident was a Tornado shot down, but later said it was a F-15.

Saudis admitted losing a jet over Yemen in January, but they said it was a Tornado not an F-15. Saudis also said in the March incident that a F-15 was hit but survived and returned to base.

However, the Houthis released that video in January 2018 which clearly shows an F-15, so it's not very clear.

That's a splash, the plane was directly hit at least once. Play some DCS and you will recognize a splash

 

[AmirPatriot]

Play some DCS and you will recognize a splash

That drone is toast!

I should get back into DCS...

 

[arashkamangir]

That drone is toast!

I should get back into DCS...

Some video footage can be found here:
https://en.muraselon.com/2019/08/watch-yemens-houthi-new-air-defense-missile-down-us-drone/

I just realized, there is a familiar noise before the missile launches and I think I have heard it from S-300, Sayyad 2, Sayyad 3 and Bavar. I think it's the sound of a canister hatch blowing out, maybe this was not an SA-6 but a Sayyad 2 as well.

 

[AmirPatriot]

Some video footage can be found here:
https://en.muraselon.com/2019/08/watch-yemens-houthi-new-air-defense-missile-down-us-drone/

I just realized, there is a familiar noise before the missile launches and I think I have heard it from S-300, Sayyad 2, Sayyad 3 and Bavar. I think it's the sound of a canister hatch blowing out, maybe this was not an SA-6 but a Sayyad 2 as well.

I know what you mean but IMHO it doesn't sound like a canister being fired. If you listen carefully it's actually 2 sounds. Somehow sounds like a couple of rounds being fired out of a gun.

 

[Iskander]

did the missile miss the target........it doesn't seem that plane get downed....after explosion;it keeps going on it's way.

This image is not from the shootdown video but from another video in which the missile missed an Emarati F16 fighter jet

 

[Bahram Esfandiari]

Looks like Iran has reverse engineered TOR 1M

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[PeeD]

The Oghab system will be interesting, aside from that photoshop concept.
Here cold launch and instant directivity are worth the extra costs.
This system can use cold launch to allow the radar system to be at a elevated position without concerns about hot gases. Optical channel also works better with cold launch here.

TVC would make not sense to direct the missile before high acceleration but a TOR-M1 like system could make economic sense. The competing concept is a Pantsir-like mechanical system. However if possible and costs allowing, you want to have as few as possible moving parts, hydraulics and turret.
A TOR-M1 like nose thruster system would allow to have a system without a moving turret and reduce reaction time and reliability.
So the system would have a fixed VLS with a radar mast above it.
Without a turret, such a system could fit a 6x4=24 missile load into a small chassis like the 3rd Khordad vehicle or eve more on Zafar trucks.
AAA gun system would be omitted, those would be on a separate system in that case, favorably a 76mm or 100mm large caliber one with AHEAD like munition.

As new generation system, no two combined radar systems like on Pantsir and TOR-M1 would be used. Instead a multi-role AESA system, the one already known from IEI would be used, mounted on a elevated position above the VLS, best foldable.

The missile system should be hypervelocity Pantsir based with a booster stage. From what was shown, Iran would put it into a TOR-M1 like square container. Iran would also change it by adding a sustainer motor to the second stage in order to extend the range (creating higher costs), plus the mentioned nose thruster system needed for VLS operation.
With the missile its all about the cost, it would be already more complex than the Pantsir (but smaller and cheaper than the TOR-M1), hence this is the questionable part of the system.

All what I said, from chassis, radar, missile, availability of TOR-M1 tech., everything is there in Iran and the question is only if it is economic to combine this all to this proposed Oghab system.

Most cost effective would be a seperate AAA system, maybe without radar system and slaved to the missile Oghab system. For critical crossing CM and supersonic targets, the missile system would be used, for all the rest the large caliber AAA component.

This all is an expensive high performance concept for high value targets.
But today it is really needed, it is needed in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq.

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

A mix of Tor M1 and this would be perfect

https://www.armyrecognition.com/chi...f-propelled_anti-aircraft_tracked_armour.html

 

[skyshadow]

the next phases will be interesting


The "eagle" defense system is not a reverse engineered Russian " Tor M-1"


"The next phases is to design a system that uses both artillery and missile weapons."


http://defapress.ir/fa/news/359386/سامانه-پدافندی-عقاب-مهندسی-معکوس-تور-ام-1-روسی-نیست

 

[Russel]

https://en.mehrnews.com/news/149266/Iran-to-unveil-new-homegrown-air-defense-system

 

[Mr Iran Eye]

Iran's Oghab (Eagle) mobile short-range air defense system is undergoing final trials ahead of delivery.

The Oghab combined short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery weapon system is designed to counter low flying targets especially cruise missiles.

According to Deputy Commander of Air Defense Forces, Gen. Alireza Elhami the system design has some similarities in design to the Tor missile system.