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Iranian Air Defense Systems

This is an outdated myth....

Iran builds:

advanced medium and long range air defense systems (including 3rd Khordad, 15th Khordad and Bavar 373),

Hoveyzeh cruise missile with range of 1350km,

Ghadir anti-ship missile with range of 330km,

Fakour air-to-air missile with a range of 160km and speed of Mach 5,

various attack and civilian helicopters like modernized Ah-1 Cobra and Bell 214,

SLVs and liquid and solid fuel ballistic missiles of various ranges (Raad 500, Dezfoul, Khorramshahr),

Fajr 5 MLRS

RAAD and Toophan MRAPs

MANPADs

Yasin trainer aircraft

Kowsar supersonic trainer/light fighter (F-5 which is modernized to the point of 4th generation fighter)

Owj engine,

Fateh submarine

Frigates

In the near future we will see Iranian version of Pantsir and Tor, ramjet anti-ship missile, Sarir and Soroush heavy SLVs, 3000 ton trimaran, 7000ton Persian Gulf destroyer, 3000ton Besat submarine and Shahed 216 attack helicopter

Israel doesn't have local analogues to any of these weapons, and you claim Israeli defense industry is more advanced---you are free to prove your claim

All you build is: several UAVs, couple of short-range air-to air missiles, Merkava tank and David Sling --all this with US made components. (Iran's analogues to this are: many Iranian UAVs, Fakour air-to-air missile, Karrar tank and Bavar 373 and being under sanctions all components of these weapons are made in Iran)

You don't even build decent self-propelled howitzer comparable to Iranian Howeyzeh howitzer for example

The truth is that Israel is a tiny country with 6mln population that has reached its FULL POTENTIAL......Iran and other larger countries of the region, on the other hand, have a lot of room to develop in the future.
Your Bavar 373 is no better than the S-300 which we had proven useless against our attacks, and it's absolutely nothing compared to the David's Sling.

Your copies of 30 year old Russian, Chinese and American missiles, helicopters and jets aren't impressive.

Your midget submarines have no chance against modern western ones.

Stop inflating your chest. Your military industry has no customers but Hezbollah and your proxies, with or without sanctions.
 
Your Bavar 373 is no better than the S-300 which we had proven useless against our attacks, and it's absolutely nothing compared to the David's Sling.

Your copies of 30 year old Russian, Chinese and American missiles, helicopters and jets aren't impressive.

Your midget submarines have no chance against modern western ones.

Stop inflating your chest. Your military industry has no customers but Hezbollah and your proxies, with or without sanctions.

Your entire military industry is subsidised by the west. Your Iron dome can't hit targets for sh1t and most of the other trash you make is manufactured in the US because your microfake-state doesn't have any meaningful industrial capability. Your small arms industry is just knock off Russian/Czech arms with only Latin american banana states and Narcos as customers.
 
Your entire military industry is subsidised by the west. Your Iron dome can't hit targets for sh1t and most of the other trash you make is manufactured in the US because your microfake-state doesn't have any meaningful industrial capability. Your small arms industry is just knock off Russian/Czech arms with only Latin american banana states and Narcos as customers.
Also thry got india..
 
Your Bavar 373 is no better than the S-300 which we had proven useless against our attacks, and it's absolutely nothing compared to the David's Sling.

Your copies of 30 year old Russian, Chinese and American missiles, helicopters and jets aren't impressive.

Your midget submarines have no chance against modern western ones.

Stop inflating your chest. Your military industry has no customers but Hezbollah and your proxies, with or without sanctions.

You are believing an outdated myth.....Iran's defense industry inferiority was true some 10 years ago, but this is not the case today

1) Only because someone called Bavar 373 an "Iranian S-300" doesn't mean it is the same as S-300------its radars/missiles are totally different and there is no evidence that it is inferior to David's Sling (except your chest inflation). ------ As a recently developed system, Bavar 373 employs the newest 21st century technologies (unlike decades old S-300)

2) Python and Derby air-to-air missiles with their 20km and 50km range and a speed of Mach 3.5-------are absolutely LOW TECH compared to Fakour air-to-air missile with its 160km range and a speed of Mach 5

3) to your radars Iranian counter is-------- myriad of different radars with some being Meraj-4 AESA radar, Falaq radar, Ghamar 3D radar and myriad of others------and if anything---for every your radar Iran has Hormuz-2 anti-radiation ballistic missile (while you don't have such a missile)

4) Iron Dome with its primitive Tamir interceptor is designed specifically for short-range rockets and artillery shells, Iron Dome and Barak 8 is vastly inferior to real AD systems like 3rd Khordad and 15th Khordad systems

5) Merkava which was devastated by Kornet ATGMs in 2006 can still be compared to Karrar tank

6) to your ATGMs and air-to-ground missiles Iran can counter------- a) Iranian copy of Spike b) Qaem-9 missile c) Heydar missile (12km) d) Shafaq missile (12km range) e) Sadid (10km) f) Qamar-e-Bani Hashem air-to-ground and air-to-air missile (12km) g) Dehlavie missile

7) to your UAVs Iran can counter------- Shahed-129, Fotros, Mohajer-6, Shahed-171, Kaman-12 UAV---and unlike your UAVs which use foreign made engines----Iran uses domestically built engines. Iranian UAVs and missiles proved themselves in Abqaiq attack

8) Regarding Arrow-3 ----------50% of it is built in USA so it is only half-Israeli system. Plus, in times of maneuvering warheads, aero-ballistic missiles and quasi-ballistic missiles, ABM systems with their hyperexpensive interceptors are a total useless waste of money.

PLUS---- You don't have long-range cruise missiles, you have inferior anti-ship missiles, inferior air-to-air missiles, inferior MLRS, you don't build neither attack nor civilian helicopters, you don't build MANPADs/MRAPs/turbojet engines, you don't build self-propelled howitzers, you have less advanced ballistic missile and SLV technology, you don't build something like Yasin trainer or Kowsar fighter, you don't build submarines and frigates---you have no projects for destroyers/large catamarans/ramjet missiles/heavy SLVs/large submarines.

Regarding Iranian weapons exports----many of these weapons were unveiled only a couple of years ago and at first they will be produced for the Iranian army, plus sanctions limit number of customers of Iranian weapons----and in the end decision to purchase weapons from a foreign country is a (geo)political matter

I have showed you that Israeli defense industry is inferior to modern Iranian defense industry and the truth is that it is tiny Israel that tries to inflate his chest.
 
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You are believing an outdated myth.....Iran's defense industry inferiority was true some 10 years ago, but this is not the case today

1) Only because someone called Bavar 373 an "Iranian S-300" doesn't mean it is the same as S-300------its radars/missiles are totally different and there is no evidence that it is inferior to David's Sling (except your chest inflation). ------ As a recently developed system, Bavar 373 employs the newest 21st century technologies (unlike decades old S-300)

2) Python and Derby air-to-air missiles with their 20km and 50km range and a speed of Mach 3.5-------are absolutely LOW TECH compared to Fakour air-to-air missile with its 160km range and a speed of Mach 5

3) to your radars Iranian counter is-------- myriad of different radars with some being Meraj-4 AESA radar, Falaq radar, Ghamar 3D radar and myriad of others------and if anything---for every your radar Iran has Hormuz-2 anti-radiation ballistic missile (while you don't have such a missile)

4) Iron Dome with its primitive Tamir interceptor is designed specifically for short-range rockets and artillery shells, Iron Dome and Barak 8 is vastly inferior to real AD systems like 3rd Khordad and 15th Khordad systems

5) Merkava which was devastated by Kornet ATGMs in 2006 can still be compared to Karrar tank

6) to your ATGMs and air-to-ground missiles Iran can counter------- a) Iranian copy of Spike b) Qaem-9 missile c) Heydar missile (12km) d) Shafaq missile (12km range) e) Sadid (10km) f) Qamar-e-Bani Hashem air-to-ground and air-to-air missile (12km) g) Dehlavie missile

7) to your UAVs Iran can counter------- Shahed-129, Fotros, Mohajer-6, Shahed-171, Kaman-12 UAV---and unlike your UAVs which use foreign made engines----Iran uses domestically built engines. Iranian UAVs and missiles proved themselves in Abqaiq attack

8) Regarding Arrow-3 ----------50% of it is built in USA so it is only half-Israeli system. Plus, in times of maneuvering warheads, aero-ballistic missiles and quasi-ballistic missiles, ABM systems with their hyperexpensive interceptors are a total useless waste of money.

PLUS---- You don't have long-range cruise missiles, you have inferior anti-ship missiles, inferior air-to-air missiles, inferior MLRS, you don't build neither attack nor civilian helicopters, you don't build MANPADs/MRAPs/turbojet engines, you don't build self-propelled howitzers, you have less advanced ballistic missile and SLV technology, you don't build something like Yasin trainer or Kowsar fighter, you don't build submarines and frigates---you have no projects for destroyers/large catamarans/ramjet missiles/heavy SLVs/large submarines.

Regarding Iranian weapons exports----many of these weapons were unveiled only a couple of years ago and at first they will be produced for the Iranian army, plus sanctions limit number of customers of Iranian weapons----and in the end decision to purchase weapons from a foreign country is a (geo)political matter

I have showed you that Israeli defense industry is inferior to modern Iranian defense industry and the truth is that it is tiny Israel that tries to inflate his chest.
Enough body! Crushed him! Very nice and detailed reply.
 
Guys I remember reading somewhere about Pakistan buying the Khordad 15 system, is that true? And if its true, how many systems did they buy?
I don't think the news are legit as we are under sanctions now and pakistan won't piss off US by showing interest. after UN arm embargo relived might be.
 
Your Bavar 373 is no better than the S-300 which we had proven useless against our attacks, and it's absolutely nothing compared to the David's Sling.

Your copies of 30 year old Russian, Chinese and American missiles, helicopters and jets aren't impressive.

Your midget submarines have no chance against modern western ones.

Stop inflating your chest. Your military industry has no customers but Hezbollah and your proxies, with or without sanctions.
atleast they didn't used aid money to build these weapons.
 
A video that all of Persian speakers should watch:

Your Bavar 373 is no better than the S-300 which we had proven useless against our attacks, and it's absolutely nothing compared to the David's Sling.

Your copies of 30 year old Russian, Chinese and American missiles, helicopters and jets aren't impressive.

Your midget submarines have no chance against modern western ones.

Stop inflating your chest. Your military industry has no customers but Hezbollah and your proxies, with or without sanctions.
Your Zionist estimates worth as much as horse fart. You're no match for Hamas, and Hezbollah a small paramilitary group kicked in your arse in 2006 and they evicted you from South of Lebanon in 2000.
 
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You are believing an outdated myth.....Iran's defense industry inferiority was true some 10 years ago, but this is not the case today

1) Only because someone called Bavar 373 an "Iranian S-300" doesn't mean it is the same as S-300------its radars/missiles are totally different and there is no evidence that it is inferior to David's Sling (except your chest inflation). ------ As a recently developed system, Bavar 373 employs the newest 21st century technologies (unlike decades old S-300)

2) Python and Derby air-to-air missiles with their 20km and 50km range and a speed of Mach 3.5-------are absolutely LOW TECH compared to Fakour air-to-air missile with its 160km range and a speed of Mach 5

3) to your radars Iranian counter is-------- myriad of different radars with some being Meraj-4 AESA radar, Falaq radar, Ghamar 3D radar and myriad of others------and if anything---for every your radar Iran has Hormuz-2 anti-radiation ballistic missile (while you don't have such a missile)

4) Iron Dome with its primitive Tamir interceptor is designed specifically for short-range rockets and artillery shells, Iron Dome and Barak 8 is vastly inferior to real AD systems like 3rd Khordad and 15th Khordad systems

5) Merkava which was devastated by Kornet ATGMs in 2006 can still be compared to Karrar tank

6) to your ATGMs and air-to-ground missiles Iran can counter------- a) Iranian copy of Spike b) Qaem-9 missile c) Heydar missile (12km) d) Shafaq missile (12km range) e) Sadid (10km) f) Qamar-e-Bani Hashem air-to-ground and air-to-air missile (12km) g) Dehlavie missile

7) to your UAVs Iran can counter------- Shahed-129, Fotros, Mohajer-6, Shahed-171, Kaman-12 UAV---and unlike your UAVs which use foreign made engines----Iran uses domestically built engines. Iranian UAVs and missiles proved themselves in Abqaiq attack

8) Regarding Arrow-3 ----------50% of it is built in USA so it is only half-Israeli system. Plus, in times of maneuvering warheads, aero-ballistic missiles and quasi-ballistic missiles, ABM systems with their hyperexpensive interceptors are a total useless waste of money.

PLUS---- You don't have long-range cruise missiles, you have inferior anti-ship missiles, inferior air-to-air missiles, inferior MLRS, you don't build neither attack nor civilian helicopters, you don't build MANPADs/MRAPs/turbojet engines, you don't build self-propelled howitzers, you have less advanced ballistic missile and SLV technology, you don't build something like Yasin trainer or Kowsar fighter, you don't build submarines and frigates---you have no projects for destroyers/large catamarans/ramjet missiles/heavy SLVs/large submarines.

Regarding Iranian weapons exports----many of these weapons were unveiled only a couple of years ago and at first they will be produced for the Iranian army, plus sanctions limit number of customers of Iranian weapons----and in the end decision to purchase weapons from a foreign country is a (geo)political matter

I have showed you that Israeli defense industry is inferior to modern Iranian defense industry and the truth is that it is tiny Israel that tries to inflate his chest.
1) Well, once you prove your airdefenses are worth something, maybe I'll believe you.

2) Your Fakour is just a copy of a decades old AIM54 Phoenix missile that no one uses anymore and has the same characteristics as the old missile. You think the AIM54/Fakour is more advanced than a Python 5 or a I-Derby-ER or the AMRAAM that replaced the AIM54, just because it has more range and higher maximum speed?
Those values are worthless if the missile misses the target.

3) Your radars are worthless compared to worlrd class Elta radars such as Green Pine for example.

4) Empty words. Iron Dome has over 90 percent success rate against extremely fast and short ranged rockets while yours have none.


5) Devastated my ***, it only proved that even without APS it can handle itself well against ATGMs with only 5 Merkavas destroyed, 2 of them are Mk4 being destroyed by massive IEDs that no tank would have survived. Your Karrar is nothing but a glorified T-72.

6) Spike is superior to anything you have to offer.

7) Yeah we use foreign made engines just as Iran uses foreign made weapons, are your F-14s made in Iran? No, then shut up. It's no excuse, when we handle your *** you're gonna cry "without the US we would have won"? Actually I bet you will do exactly that.

8) No, it only renders your ballistic missiles, and probably even satellites, a waste of money. Arrow 3 is the most advanced system of its class and.

Whatever lying rubbish you wrote next, I won't even reply because with all your alleged strength you still are being treated like a mop.
 
@Serpentine

this guy is derailing this thread.

Kindly delete the offtopics in last 3 pages. Thank you.

1) Well, once you prove your airdefenses are worth something, maybe I'll believe you.

2) Your Fakour is just a copy of a decades old AIM54 Phoenix missile that no one uses anymore and has the same characteristics as the old missile. You think the AIM54/Fakour is more advanced than a Python 5 or a I-Derby-ER or the AMRAAM that replaced the AIM54, just because it has more range and higher maximum speed?
Those values are worthless if the missile misses the target.

3) Your radars are worthless compared to worlrd class Elta radars such as Green Pine for example.

4) Empty words. Iron Dome has over 90 percent success rate against extremely fast and short ranged rockets while yours have none.


5) Devastated my ***, it only proved that even without APS it can handle itself well against ATGMs with only 5 Merkavas destroyed, 2 of them are Mk4 being destroyed by massive IEDs that no tank would have survived. Your Karrar is nothing but a glorified T-72.

6) Spike is superior to anything you have to offer.

7) Yeah we use foreign made engines just as Iran uses foreign made weapons, are your F-14s made in Iran? No, then shut up. It's no excuse, when we handle your *** you're gonna cry "without the US we would have won"? Actually I bet you will do exactly that.

8) No, it only renders your ballistic missiles, and probably even satellites, a waste of money. Arrow 3 is the most advanced system of its class and.

Whatever lying rubbish you wrote next, I won't even reply because with all your alleged strength you still are being treated like a mop.
You thieves are nothing without west support. 1.8 billion Muslims can throw you to hell anytime.
 
2) Your Fakour is just a copy of a decades old AIM54 Phoenix missile that no one uses anymore and has the same characteristics as the old missile. You think the AIM54/Fakour is more advanced than a Python 5 or a I-Derby-ER or the AMRAAM that replaced the AIM54, just because it has more range and higher maximum speed?
Those values are worthless if the missile misses the target.
just a short note: AMRAAM was way inferior to phoenix and still some models of it are.
 
1) Well, once you prove your airdefenses are worth something, maybe I'll believe you.

2) Your Fakour is just a copy of a decades old AIM54 Phoenix missile that no one uses anymore and has the same characteristics as the old missile. You think the AIM54/Fakour is more advanced than a Python 5 or a I-Derby-ER or the AMRAAM that replaced the AIM54, just because it has more range and higher maximum speed?
Those values are worthless if the missile misses the target.

3) Your radars are worthless compared to worlrd class Elta radars such as Green Pine for example.

4) Empty words. Iron Dome has over 90 percent success rate against extremely fast and short ranged rockets while yours have none.


5) Devastated my ***, it only proved that even without APS it can handle itself well against ATGMs with only 5 Merkavas destroyed, 2 of them are Mk4 being destroyed by massive IEDs that no tank would have survived. Your Karrar is nothing but a glorified T-72.

6) Spike is superior to anything you have to offer.

7) Yeah we use foreign made engines just as Iran uses foreign made weapons, are your F-14s made in Iran? No, then shut up. It's no excuse, when we handle your *** you're gonna cry "without the US we would have won"? Actually I bet you will do exactly that.

8) No, it only renders your ballistic missiles, and probably even satellites, a waste of money. Arrow 3 is the most advanced system of its class and.

Whatever lying rubbish you wrote next, I won't even reply because with all your alleged strength you still are being treated like a mop.
Did u faced a superior system so far?

Iron dome was built to intercept DIY fireworks... not missile or guided rockets, or anything targating it...

Okay, arrow and david sling has no operational histoty, but patriot, 3rd khordad, buk and pantasir has in recent years.

Green pine nerver faced what it was deainged to face..so far DIY fireworks and Russian old junks craps (over israel, syria and neighbours ).

Recently patriot failed in ain al asad and aramco, but It's no wise speculated things about ur system based on patriot..

Copying the apperence and design has nothing to do with copying the full system, even python design was derived or inspired by aim-9x sidewinde. Its may apperently looks fakur and aim54 are the same but every thing inside is changed from seeker to senors, electronics and Algorithms. Its also a trap to copy 100% of ur rival's system.

And for merkava, is nothing but a nice looking junk that u can offer.

Yes u have good electronics industry derived from USA but that doesn't colclude u develops superior system. And only indians feels so much fantasy over ur toys. Others just enjoys.
 
1) Well, once you prove your airdefenses are worth something, maybe I'll believe you.

2) Your Fakour is just a copy of a decades old AIM54 Phoenix missile that no one uses anymore and has the same characteristics as the old missile. You think the AIM54/Fakour is more advanced than a Python 5 or a I-Derby-ER or the AMRAAM that replaced the AIM54, just because it has more range and higher maximum speed?
Those values are worthless if the missile misses the target.

3) Your radars are worthless compared to worlrd class Elta radars such as Green Pine for example.

4) Empty words. Iron Dome has over 90 percent success rate against extremely fast and short ranged rockets while yours have none.


5) Devastated my ***, it only proved that even without APS it can handle itself well against ATGMs with only 5 Merkavas destroyed, 2 of them are Mk4 being destroyed by massive IEDs that no tank would have survived. Your Karrar is nothing but a glorified T-72.

6) Spike is superior to anything you have to offer.

7) Yeah we use foreign made engines just as Iran uses foreign made weapons, are your F-14s made in Iran? No, then shut up. It's no excuse, when we handle your *** you're gonna cry "without the US we would have won"? Actually I bet you will do exactly that.

8) No, it only renders your ballistic missiles, and probably even satellites, a waste of money. Arrow 3 is the most advanced system of its class and.

Whatever lying rubbish you wrote next, I won't even reply because with all your alleged strength you still are being treated like a mop.

1) The MQ-4C incident proved the effectiveness of our air defense systems.

2) AIM54 Phoenix missile was used by F14 Tomcats. Only Iran and the US were operators of the F14 and the US decided to discard all their F14s and their spare parts in 2005 to prevent Iran from accessing them through the black market. So, there's no surprise that nobody operates Phoenix missiles anymore as nobody except Iran and the US had it in the first place.

3) What makes Green Pine superior to the radars Iran has? Be specific. Iran has OTH radars that cover as far as Western Europe.

4) That's your claim. Our claim is more like 30%.
Wikipedia said:
According to Israeli officials, of the approximately 1,000 missiles and rockets fired into Israel by Hamas from the beginning of Operation Pillar of Defense up to 17 November 2012, Iron Dome identified two thirds as not posing a threat and intercepted 90 percent of the remaining 300.
So, it let 67% of the rockets pass and intercepted only 90% of those rockets that it could lock on successfully. So, its success rate is more like 27% then.

5) Please. The reputation of your Merkava tanks was lost forever after the 2006 war. Launch a new war against Hezbollah if you think you can handle them better this time.

6) Too bad that we have replicated Spike: https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/29187

7) You can't build your engines. End of the story.

8) Wait 10 to 20 years and you will see which one is a waste of money.

I think I have explained to you the situation before. Israel is like a subject on a surgery table where the doctor just enjoys placing his knife on him. We are literally operating on you without anesthesia through our proxies. You can throw a punch or kicks once in a while for survival, but at the end of the day, it is you who is on the operating table. And our knife is getting closer and closer to your chest to take your heart out. Now keep throwing your punches and kicks. The situation is still the same.
 

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