Iranian Air Defense Systems

[Mithridates]

General Bagheri visiting Army air defense achievements:
http://www.iribnews.ir/files/fa/news/1398/3/22/3610672_422.mp4

what's this guys??

A muzzle time setting for the fuse of AHEAD like munition can be seen in the video.

 

[skyshadow]

Sayyad air defense system

2 different unit of 15th of Khordad

 

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Bavar 373

 

[Arminkh]

Bavar 373

You mean it is operational? Or it shows the future after they are installed?

 

[skyshadow]

You mean it is operational? Or it shows the future after they are installed?

it shows the future setups

 

[skyshadow]

“We currently face demonstrative threats. Nevertheless, when it comes to air defence of our country, we consider using the foreign potential in addition to our domestic capacities,” Shamkhani said when asked whether Iran might purchase Russian S-400 air defence systems in case it faces a serious threat.



https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/...eign-potential-to-domestic-military-capacity/

 

[vi-va]

The SDB is in fact such a slow and easy target that a cheap single 100mm Sarir shot probably has something like 30-50% PK at 6km or so distance...

SDB is neither slow nor easy target. SDB has very high maneuverability and can sacrifice altitude to gain supersonic, up to 550m/s. http://www.doc88.com/p-7798267325595.html

It's small and covered by metal, not easy to destroy unless hit directly. Missile proximity fuze can be triggered with 8-20 meters, not easy to be triggered by SDB at the best distance.

Single 100mm Sarir shot has no chance to hit, you need 35mm AHEAD ammunition. Other weapon is not effective enough to counter SDB. China use China made weapon similar to Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon.

You will be hit not by several SDB, but dozons SDB for 1 batch, and there are much more batches coming after.

China CM-506KG has maximum range of 130km.
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/cm-506kg-small-diameter-bomb-sdb.html


US has tens of thousands of GBU-39. Get prepared, your air defense system will be facing saturation attack.

FYI, https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2462655&extra=&authorid=1056193&page=1

 

[PeeD]

SDB is neither slow nor easy target. SDB has very high maneuverability and can sacrifice altitude to gain supersonic, up to 550m/s. http://www.doc88.com/p-7798267325595.html

Any maneuvering or course correction will reduce range significantly. So significantly that no random evasive maneuvering would make sense. Maybe around the last 3km at 50% range penalty.
It also won't gain back high velocity: For that again a range reduction penalty of lets say 20% is needed and it will not reach supersonic speeds by such a dive.

It's small and covered by metal, not easy to destroy unless hit directly. Missile proximity fuze can be triggered with 8-20 meters, not easy to be triggered by SDB at the best distance.

This is true for a dumb bomb. A SDB like PGM has fragil wings and control surfaces. It has such a low explosive power that a slight course error will make it totally useless, except maybe for softest kinds of targets.
Once its wings or control surfaces are damaged it will somehow fall short of its target.
A 250-1000kg dumb bomb on the other hand will fall @ 3-10km max. range and needs to be killed to not harm the target.
So this means, just damage a SDB and it will be a "mission kill".
Plus Irans AAA solution against SDB-like PGMs and CMs are timed fuses, no problems with proximity fuses.

Single 100mm Sarir shot has no chance to hit, you need 35mm AHEAD ammunition. Other weapon is not effective enough to counter SDB. China use China made weapon similar to Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon.

A single Sarir round has a certain PK at a certain range against a certain target. Damage a SDB at 6km and it will most likely land too far away for any damage caused.
Iran has its own 35mm AHEAD munition but all its non-AHEAD munitions are effective against such targets.
China is a pioneer in the anti-CM/PGM business, AHEAD is just a potentially more cost effective solution to kill very hard targets.
Iran has a chain of such automatic AAA systems, the last net is the 23mm Mesbah series if 100mm and 35mm systems were not successful. At that stage a large burst of 23mm rounds will basically create a dense shrapnel wall trough which almost nothing can penetrate.
However for a PGM with the threat level of the SDB, the goal would be to mission-kill it cost effectively at extended range via 2-3 100mm rounds.

China has a 76mm AHEAD based system which is very large, but a real SDB-killer.

You will be hit not by several SDB, but dozons SDB for 1 batch, and there are much more batches coming after.

Thats true. The U.S is a country with a military that can indeed afford mass use of such PGMs.
However, effective range won't be that 100+ km in a combat scenario, that is my point. It will be still incredibly good 40-70km.
Use enough and Irans AAA counter systems can be depleted at one point.
This concept of a concentrated mass SDB attack is what has kept the U.S conventional airpower concept alive: A very cost-inefficient approach and only the U.S can even dare to think about it.

China CM-506KG has maximum range of 130km.

Iran has also such a system in development. I don't know if it is a good idea, it surely is useful for low-collateral damage and UAV scenarios against a low-capability enemy.

US has tens of thousands of GBU-39. Get prepared, your air defense system will be facing saturation attack.

True. Unfortunately the U.S wants to go for hypersonic missiles for use against high value targets. Iran has been and is handling SDB-like threats, most recently with AHEAD munitions.
The SDB threat is so well countered by Irans AAA solutions that no Pantsir or even Crotale like missile-systems are necessary against this class of low-kinematic/explosive performance PGMs.

 

[zectech]

SDB is neither slow nor easy target. SDB has very high maneuverability and can sacrifice altitude to gain supersonic, up to 550m/s. http://www.doc88.com/p-7798267325595.html

It's small and covered by metal, not easy to destroy unless hit directly. Missile proximity fuze can be triggered with 8-20 meters, not easy to be triggered by SDB at the best distance.

Single 100mm Sarir shot has no chance to hit, you need 35mm AHEAD ammunition. Other weapon is not effective enough to counter SDB. China use China made weapon similar to Oerlikon 35 mm twin cannon.

You will be hit not by several SDB, but dozons SDB for 1 batch, and there are much more batches coming after.

China CM-506KG has maximum range of 130km.
http://chinesemilitaryreview.blogspot.com/2012/11/cm-506kg-small-diameter-bomb-sdb.html


US has tens of thousands of GBU-39. Get prepared, your air defense system will be facing saturation attack.

FYI, https://lt.cjdby.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2462655&extra=&authorid=1056193&page=1

They have to be launched from somewhere, limiting the swarms. If not from a naval attack, the nation hosting the attack will get a barrage of Surface to Surface missiles from Iran.

 

[arashkamangir]

They have to be launched from somewhere, limiting the swarms. If not from a naval attack, the nation hosting the attack will get a barrage of Surface to Surface missiles from Iran.

For reference:

 

[aryobarzan]

Iran AD doing its job..
Iran Downs US’ Spy Drone in Persian Gulf: Report
By
IFP Editorial Staff
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June 20, 2019 - 02:35


There are reports that the air defence of Iran’s IRGC Aerospace Force has shot down a US RQ-4 drone close to the Iranian province of Hormozgan in Persian Gulf shores.



The US Global Hawk (RQ-4) drone was shot down on Thursday morning in an area close to Kuhmobarak village in Iran’s Hormozgan province, near the Persian Gulf waters, Fars News Agency reported.

The drone had reportedly trespassed into the Iranian territory when it was shot down.

(The story will be updated…)

 

[TheImmortal]

Iran AD doing its job..
Iran Downs US’ Spy Drone in Persian Gulf: Report
By
IFP Editorial Staff
-
June 20, 2019 - 02:35


There are reports that the air defence of Iran’s IRGC Aerospace Force has shot down a US RQ-4 drone close to the Iranian province of Hormozgan in Persian Gulf shores.



The US Global Hawk (RQ-4) drone was shot down on Thursday morning in an area close to Kuhmobarak village in Iran’s Hormozgan province, near the Persian Gulf waters, Fars News Agency reported.

The drone had reportedly trespassed into the Iranian territory when it was shot down.

(The story will be updated…)

Would have been better to hack it and try to bring it down intact. Global hawk is a good platform to learn from to expand Shahed UAV.

 

[skyshadow]

Iran AD doing its job..
Iran Downs US’ Spy Drone in Persian Gulf: Report
By
IFP Editorial Staff
-
June 20, 2019 - 02:35


There are reports that the air defence of Iran’s IRGC Aerospace Force has shot down a US RQ-4 drone close to the Iranian province of Hormozgan in Persian Gulf shores.



The US Global Hawk (RQ-4) drone was shot down on Thursday morning in an area close to Kuhmobarak village in Iran’s Hormozgan province, near the Persian Gulf waters, Fars News Agency reported.

The drone had reportedly trespassed into the Iranian territory when it was shot down.

(The story will be updated…)

my take on it is that i think Iran wanted to land the RQ4 and when they see they could not then they shot it down i think that's why Iranians let it come so close to Iran borders. all of this is that the story is real ofcourse.

 

[vi-va]

They have to be launched from somewhere, limiting the swarms. If not from a naval attack, the nation hosting the attack will get a barrage of Surface to Surface missiles from Iran.

No offend. How about B1B with KC-10 Extender? Just curious are you going to attack Washington DC with Surface to Surface missiles? In your opinion what's Iran's plan to retaliate?

my take on it is that i think Iran wanted to land the RQ4 and when they see they could not then they shot it down i think that's why Iranians let it come so close to Iran borders. all of this is that the story is real ofcourse.

You guys sent a clear message by shooting down RQ-4. Now the ball is on Trump's hand, talk or escalate.

 

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Not to give validation to the shoot down claim- just a claim so far, but long range high altitude SAMs in the region of Hormuzgan include Chabahar, Bandar Abbas, and the islands of Abu Musa and Lavan. Should have a mix of SA-5, HQ/SA-2, Hawk/Mersad, and Ra'ad batteries.